6 Series BMW 6er Gran Coupe: spy pics and info


The BMW 6 Series is a range of grand tourers produced by BMW since 1976. Successor to the E9 Coupé.
I don't see the Panamera and 6GC being comparative in an overly-technical sense (yes, they're both 4-Door/Sedans, same price range, etc.).

For one, with that roofline, I highly doubt that the 6'er GC will have adequate headroom for someone of my stature (6'4), as the CLS nor A7 do. On the other hand, the Panamera has more than enough haedroom for me. Also, the Panamera has a sort of "Utility" vibe and look (and more actual "utility") compared to the much, much less functionally efficient "4-Door Coupes" a'la CLS and probably 6 GC.
 
I don't see the Panamera and 6GC being comparative in an overly-technical sense (yes, they're both 4-Door/Sedans, same price range, etc.).

For one, with that roofline, I highly doubt that the 6'er GC will have adequate headroom for someone of my stature (6'4), as the CLS nor A7 do. On the other hand, the Panamera has more than enough haedroom for me. Also, the Panamera has a sort of "Utility" vibe and look (and more actual "utility") compared to the much, much less functionally efficient "4-Door Coupes" a'la CLS and probably 6 GC.


The 6'er GC can not be worse then the CLS in terms of the rear seats and hopefully improves vs. the A7. Can't understand your doubting frankly, what are you basing your concerns on?
 
Not concerned as I wouldn't be in the market for a 6 GC, but what I'm saying is the "4-Door Coupes" have rooflines in the front (not even getting to the back, which is non-accommodating in a whole new level to tall people) that make it impossible for people that are taller than probably 6'1-6'2 to have adequate headroom up front. Me at 6'5 couldn't drive a CLS if someone gave it to me, due to the fact that I couldn't safely or comfortably drive the car unless I slouched heavily at all times.

The 6 GC's roofline looks extremely sweeping, leading me to believe that it will have similar headroom up front. The Panamera on the other hand has tons of front headroom, you can be 7' and sit up there. Just using this as one form of "proof" that the Panny and "4-Door Coupe Group" aren't really going for the same customer base. I still see the Panamera as Porsche's version of the S-Class rather than its interpretation of a "4-Door Coupe".
 
Where will it be positioned?

I guess comparable to the regular 6er Coupe + a few percents more. Meaning between Coupe & Cabrio. :t-hands: I doubt they will target A7 & CLS price. 6-series is positioned where it is.
 
Appears to be close to ready. IAA???

PS, it looks very good. In every color pretty much.
 
Love this car, especially in white! In the states next year? If so, I may have to change my plan on ordering an F10 this fall.......:eusa_doh:
 
First, CLS, 6GC, Aston, are not coupes...Saloons, maybe. Or some other old descriptor that better describes their unique look. They are pretty sedans.

Second, I think BMW should not apply the 6 nomenclature to the 6GC--simply start delivering it in response to highly equipped 5 orders.

The family resemblance being what it is, it could easily become the 5 series [shared engine, suspension bits, etc].

Push current 5 to "4" Series...
 
True indeed, when will this car be revealed? When will it debut production?
 
I guess comparable to the regular 6er Coupe + a few percents more. Meaning between Coupe & Cabrio. :t-hands: I doubt they will target A7 & CLS price. 6-series is positioned where it is.
I doubt if they will target something else other than the A7 & CLS otherwise you will have GC costing more than the 7er:
considering that the 6GC is basically 6 series which I believe is a derivative of the F10 chassis.
 
^ IMO 6er GC will be positioned more against Panamera than against CLS & A7. But I could be wrong.
 
^ IMO 6er GC will be positioned more against Panamera than against CLS & A7. But I could be wrong.

I'm pretty sure you are.
So far the CLS and A7 have always been compared with the Gran Coupe Concept.
Panamera is about 20% more expensive than the 6er(in the land of the taxes; holland).
 
C'mon, guys. Even the previous generation of 6er Coupe was pricier than CLS, and so it is the current one.
Do you really think BMW will price 6er GC below the regular Coupe? I don't think so.
IMO this baby is going to be positioned in line with 7er - almost in line with Panamera, perhaps two or three grands cheaper.

Eg. US prices:
650i Coupe (400hp): $83.000
650i Cabrio (400hp): $90.500
Panamera S (400hp): $90.300
CLS 550 (402hp): $71.300

A7 3.0 TFSI (310hp): $59.250
Panamaera (300hp): $75.200
640i Coupe GC (315hp): ~$70.000 (???)


IMO 650i GC will be priced @ $85.000 ;) Also 640i Coupe (315hp) is coming in the next months - with a price just below $70k, I guess. Meaning 640i GC can be just over $70 - just below Panamera, and in line with 7er. I wonder whether BMWNA will still offer SWB 7ers when 6er GC arrives, or perhaps 7er SWB customers will be offered 6er GC instead - making the 7er SWB redundant. Let's wait & see ...
 
As to pricing, yes, as to positioning, and demos, less so.

BMW has made some brilliant moves in positioning some of its models in spaces where there is little direct competition. And like Porsche and Benz, BMW is working hard to widen its markets and its margins by creating individual hopping off points within these niches. That's what Mercedes did successfully with the CLS, and is profitably continuing. Creating semi-niche markets. Look at the F13, does it compete directly with Jag XK, Mercedes SL, or Porsche 911? Well, sort of, kind of, but it is not precisely priced against either SL or 911.

By both strategic and physical design, base prices and less so, equipped prices put F13 in a niche "big coupe" slot that it occupies somewhat on its own. Certainly far bigger gaps exist between these cars than mainstream cars that sell volumes staggeringly higher than any of these cars. I see Jag as the most directly competitive car to F12,F13. Big luxo two doors, GTs versus high end sports car, priced similarly, pursuing similar demos. 911 more for purists and far more no compromise, true sports car. SL is the no compromise GT for people who don't like luxo sedans.

Back "seats" of each of these cars reflect this, too. All are uncomfortable, Porsche's is vestigial.

Porsche has long cultivated this individual island as brand strategy. Some believe that Porsche is best at intra brand competition within its own models. Do I go with the Boxster or stick with the 911? We don't know, but Porsche has made the decision take place to a surprising extent under the same roof, rather than versus other makers. And while Panamera will compete against 6 Grand Coupe sedan, and the Audi and CLS, as a big luxo pseudo coupe four door, it too occupies a bit of sparse territory. Panamera is in the Porsche family niche as a sporty but more practical vehicle, more than pegged as the Porsche family crossover than versus other the 4 door pseudo coupes. A crossover in appearance and function between 911 and Cayenne, and looks it. And like the others, has wide price spreads shaped by putting premiums on engine size and options. And Panamera sports a shape that only a fan could love, much like the 5 Series GT. Certainly the Cayenne SUV was a bigger gamble for Porsche than the 4 door Gran-pseudo-coupe will be for BMW. Another razor's edge dance for Porsche is maintaining proper distinction between 911 and Boxster lines. Purist Porsche owners will always opt for the 911, but in terms of real world sports car performance, some non-traditionalists believe the Boxster has become the better sports car. While profit margins float highest on the 911 purist tradition, volume can be captured more easily by the Boxster.

To the extent that business strategists and designers can capture these small, profitable islands for themselves these companies harvest great profits by creating myths of individual cars. [BMW actually uses the Individual label to fabricate a niche between some of its models vertically, (with its relatively mainstream versions, specially equipped Individual version, and then over the top Alpina brand), that MBenz copied so brilliantly in its use and subsequent purchase of tuner-house AMG, creating semi-unique cars that withstand logical competitive attack.

Coke. Diet Coke. New formula Coke, Cherry Coke, etc. Gradually widening the shelf space occupied by the overall brand.

In a company where less-sporty-than-BMW cars compete across the line, Benz' CLS pioneered this concept brilliantly. Stodgy, more conservative, mostly four door Mercedes Benz enters the sport sedan segment with a distinctly separate car in design and target demographic. SLK is working the same magic. SLK versus Boxster is an example of the non sequiturs these strategies can create. Skews towards older buyers who maintain "sports car" fantasies but aren't willing to struggle into and out of a Boxster.

If SL and 911 compete as their marques star car coupes, then do the down-market two doors directly compete? Sports car wannabe owners unwilling to put up with the comfort sacrifices true sports car [read Porsche] ownership requires soothe their psyches and their bottoms by going for the Benz smaller two door. Again, perhaps in the same spending range, but not for the same customer.

Anyway, I agree that there will be inter-model competition for buyers of the 6 Gran Coupe-Sedan amongst the other very sporty coupe-sedans, A-7, CLS, Panamera. But the gaps are wider, heavily influenced by brand identification and individuality, and the interrelationships [intra-brand competition] more complicated than in lesser, more mainstream cars and brands.
 
Yes, the talk was about price positioning. And by so, 6er GC will hardly be a sales competitor to CLS & A7 - since being quite a few grands pricier. With such a price it will be a low-volume seller compared to CLS & A7. And even Panamera - since Panny is Porsce's one & only sedan, and who wants a quite practical non-SUV 4-seater Porsche - Panny is the only choice.

Further more ... the price positioning of "2er" GC and "4er" GC will be very interesting. IMO the new model philosophy will result in 2er GC being aligned with 3er Sedan, 4er GC with 5er Sedan, and 6er GC with 7er SWB - price wise. So, customers will be able to pick either a regular sedan of higher nomenclature, or a sporty coupe-sedan of lower nomenclature - for almost the same price. IMO such positioning is much smarter than the classic one (positioning the coupe-sedan between the regular lower & higher sedans). ;)
 
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2013 BMW 6-Series 4-door GranCoupe with M-Sport Package spied on Nürburgring
 

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