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Green house (perfect IMO) and yes, the roofline looks sporty
The overall design irl (CL63 AMG @ JIMS) is very heavy and the rear quarter 'hangs' too much.
Vs Mercedes CLS vs BMW 6er GC vs Audi A7: photo comparison
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Green house (perfect IMO) and yes, the roofline looks sporty
The overall design irl (CL63 AMG @ JIMS) is very heavy and the rear quarter 'hangs' too much.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
Carlton, can you please go to the SL thread. I like to here your opinion on the new SL.
You found a damn good photo of the CLS in that second one. Looks great there. The first one highlights that big profile flaw (surface decoration) to me though, showing how "stubby" the lines can make it look sometimes. However, the 6GC doesn't impress me one bit in either of those photos.
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As the old saying goes: "The Devil is in the details."
There couldn't be a more fitting assessment with regard to the CLS-and to a lesser extent, the 6 series GC.
Purely in terms of architecture, the CLS is really quite splendid. Tremendous proportions, the rake of its' A and C pillars, the length of its' hood and rear deck as well as the length of its' overhangs front and rear. The proportion of side glass to metal below the window sills. Patently impressive. Envisage a shadowed silhouette in which the flank sculpturing is veiled.
Alas, the CLS' details-the side sculpturing, the rather "clefted" frontend treatment make it a polarizing car. It appears that the era of highly accentuated rear fender design attempting to mimic M-Bs' of the 1950s' and early 1960s' will be drawing to an end in the forseeable future. First renderings of the facelifted W212 E-Class due for a late 2012 introduction show this element alleviated (the last issue of Germanys' Autozeitung has an example)-very much to the benefit of the cars appearance. I wonder if this sort of "facelift" could possibly work on the CLS. Perhaps implementing something similar to that seen on the most recent CL cabriolet renderings in Autobild and Auto Motor und Sport... Then again, perhaps the CLS needs that "drama".
It appears odd to me to be so extremely enamoured with the 6 series 2 door coupe-and yet, be somewhat allienated by the GC. Perhaps my opinion will change upon seeing the GC "in the metal". Perhaps those photoshopped, matte-brown photographs of the GC leave me ambivalent. The "boat wake" theme appears so heavily accentuated in those photographs, the hood appears so exageratedly long. Mind you, I find cab-backward themes attractive in general-but on the GC, it appears a "bit much" become a bit unpalatable.
As said-seeing it "in the metal" may very well leave me breathless and quite the fan.
With regard to the A7: I wished that Audi would have left the architecture of the car unchanged from that of the 2009 A7 Sportback Concept. In my eyes, it was perfection. On the production model, this is not quite the case with a rather unfortunate humped back (although, IRL, this is far less disturbing than on film). But otherwise, it is very, very nice. And in terms of sculpturing, it is my favorite. Clean, cohesive, precise and timeless. And the cars' stance is incredible.
There couldn't be a more fitting assessment with regard to the CLS-and to a lesser extent, the 6 series GC.
Purely in terms of architecture, the CLS is really quite splendid. Tremendous proportions, the rake of its' A and C pillars, the length of its' hood and rear deck as well as the length of its' overhangs front and rear. The proportion of side glass to metal below the window sills. Patently impressive. Envisage a shadowed silhouette in which the flank sculpturing is veiled.
Alas, the CLS' details-the side sculpturing, the rather "clefted" frontend treatment make it a polarizing car. It appears that the era of highly accentuated rear fender design attempting to mimic M-Bs' of the 1950s' and early 1960s' will be drawing to an end in the forseeable future. First renderings of the facelifted W212 E-Class due for a late 2012 introduction show this element alleviated (the last issue of Germanys' Autozeitung has an example)-very much to the benefit of the cars appearance. I wonder if this sort of "facelift" could possibly work on the CLS. Perhaps implementing something similar to that seen on the most recent CL cabriolet renderings in Autobild and Auto Motor und Sport... Then again, perhaps the CLS needs that "drama".
It appears odd to me to be so extremely enamoured with the 6 series 2 door coupe-and yet, be somewhat allienated by the GC. Perhaps my opinion will change upon seeing the GC "in the metal". Perhaps those photoshopped, matte-brown photographs of the GC leave me ambivalent. The "boat wake" theme appears so heavily accentuated in those photographs, the hood appears so exageratedly long. Mind you, I find cab-backward themes attractive in general-but on the GC, it appears a "bit much" become a bit unpalatable.
As said-seeing it "in the metal" may very well leave me breathless and quite the fan.
With regard to the A7: I wished that Audi would have left the architecture of the car unchanged from that of the 2009 A7 Sportback Concept. In my eyes, it was perfection. On the production model, this is not quite the case with a rather unfortunate humped back (although, IRL, this is far less disturbing than on film). But otherwise, it is very, very nice. And in terms of sculpturing, it is my favorite. Clean, cohesive, precise and timeless. And the cars' stance is incredible.
Autozeitung is saying that the W212 facelift will have completely modified rear fenders (sans the carved haunches) for the mere Facelift? That seems crazy to me, as M-B has never changed a hard-point in a car for a facelift. The fender isn't a simple piece to just exchange. I'd be curious to know if they'r predicting this with no proof from M-B, or if there's actually something there.
Regarding the fender humps, I actually mostly love them. I feel they add a lot of distinction and classic qualities in modernized ways. They make the cars pretty unique IMO. My issue with the lines on the CLS are actually focused mainly on the side lines that haphazardly and randomly start at odd/nonsensical points in the nicely executed fender bulge, and continue upward, completely at odds with and broken from the wedge shape of the car. Poor Designing there on an otherwise pretty brilliant design, unfortunately it ruins if from being an A in my book.
Regarding the fender humps, I actually mostly love them. I feel they add a lot of distinction and classic qualities in modernized ways. They make the cars pretty unique IMO. My issue with the lines on the CLS are actually focused mainly on the side lines that haphazardly and randomly start at odd/nonsensical points in the nicely executed fender bulge, and continue upward, completely at odds with and broken from the wedge shape of the car. Poor Designing there on an otherwise pretty brilliant design, unfortunately it ruins if from being an A in my book.
wookieecrisp
Tarmac Traveler
I haven't seen a 6 GC in person, but from the pictures it looks like its road presence will not be as awesome as the CLS's. The 6 GC is very beautiful, but perhaps too similar to the 5-series and 6-series. The CLS is something truly unique.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
Autobild. They invited a *car designer and he told them his opinion on these two cars.
*This guy
http://www.greencardesign.com/site/interviews/0083-interview-paolo-tumminelli
klier
Premium
Autobild I think. But please notice how they made sure the ugly angles of the A7 are not shown in the pictures....in none of them...it would be possible to see the ugly rear of the A7 n the third pic but we are lucky because the BMW is in front of it....
But yeah, the A7 appears to be less bulky, or heavy looking in these pics. That is certainly true. Lets see if this is the case in the next real life shots too (because a 6er coupe looks sleeker than an A7 irl)....
Gianclaudio
Aerodynamic Artisan
It's strange, but I wouldn't choose any of these "coupes" over their regular sedan counterparts.
To me the A7 profile looks cheap; in my mind fastback=cheap car. Maybe is the fact that here in South America I grew surrounded by VW's Passats G1, VW's Gol (Brazilian economy car) and FSO Polonez.
The 6er GC is the better looking to my eyes but at the same time, the less special. I dunno, but I can't see the "coupe" in it.
Finally, the CLS.... a total design mess IMHO, with those ridicolous crashing lines and labored details. Still at the same time, it looks more special than the others; but sadly in a vulgar way.
So an E class, 5er or A6 any time for me!
By the way: I see LOTS of Maserati 3200GT in A7 when rear viewed.
To me the A7 profile looks cheap; in my mind fastback=cheap car. Maybe is the fact that here in South America I grew surrounded by VW's Passats G1, VW's Gol (Brazilian economy car) and FSO Polonez.
The 6er GC is the better looking to my eyes but at the same time, the less special. I dunno, but I can't see the "coupe" in it.
Finally, the CLS.... a total design mess IMHO, with those ridicolous crashing lines and labored details. Still at the same time, it looks more special than the others; but sadly in a vulgar way.
So an E class, 5er or A6 any time for me!
By the way: I see LOTS of Maserati 3200GT in A7 when rear viewed.
Mr. Mercedes
Premium
Are you able to post these renders Jimmy?
Gianclaudio
Aerodynamic Artisan
You can see it on this month cover:
I really, really going to miss the ponton line on the E class if they decide to delete 'em. I absolutely love the e class with sport package.
I really, really going to miss the ponton line on the E class if they decide to delete 'em. I absolutely love the e class with sport package.
hoffmeister_fan
Kraftwagen König
So I have seen the A7 in person before, but not on the road. That change a few days ago while I was driving. It looked good, if a bit unassuming, when it was driving towards me. I wasn't able to catch the side profile in motion, but I caught the rear in my mirror. I gotta say, I really like the rear.
And that got me thinking of why I like the rear....fair-warning: what I'm about to say is bit weird, even for myself (
) So bear with me.
So, as I was saying, I really like the rear and the profile. The fastback, IRL, looks very sleek and dynamic. The rear is very unique but familiar. I like how it angles in ever so slightly into the body, and just now I realized why I like.....so when I was about 4 or 5 years-old, I got a lot pass-me-down stuff from my older brother, who grew-up in the 1970's. What I got were these picture books of planes and cars. And picture books of the cars were exclusively of European makes...M-Bs, BMWs, VW's and Audis. Along with each car, there would be thse retro-fantastic picture of the car accompanied by some random story of a family having a picnic or doing something that was set somewhere picturesque in Europe. But I just remember there was this early 70's Audi Coupe with a hatch in poo brown that I thought looked so cool, and the guy driving looked cool and a had a hot-blonde. I know the A7 was inspired by that design. I guess, I wanted to be that dude with the hot chick. Also my brother had a model of an Audi Quattro, which I also thought was cool.
It's weird, but I think that's where my fascination with cars and planes began...I always thought it began when I was 6 or 7 and my dad went to Germany and got me this cool toy BMW 635Csi and a toy Porsche 959, but it was even earlier when I was 3 years old and indoctrinated with those picture books of cars. Talk about digging up a repressed memory! Maybe I should have been lying on a couch while writing this up.
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Sorry, really off-topic, but I never thought about until 25 years after the fact. I figure, if anybody would appreciate a story, it'd be car enthusiasts.
And that got me thinking of why I like the rear....fair-warning: what I'm about to say is bit weird, even for myself (
) So bear with me.So, as I was saying, I really like the rear and the profile. The fastback, IRL, looks very sleek and dynamic. The rear is very unique but familiar. I like how it angles in ever so slightly into the body, and just now I realized why I like.....so when I was about 4 or 5 years-old, I got a lot pass-me-down stuff from my older brother, who grew-up in the 1970's. What I got were these picture books of planes and cars. And picture books of the cars were exclusively of European makes...M-Bs, BMWs, VW's and Audis. Along with each car, there would be thse retro-fantastic picture of the car accompanied by some random story of a family having a picnic or doing something that was set somewhere picturesque in Europe. But I just remember there was this early 70's Audi Coupe with a hatch in poo brown that I thought looked so cool, and the guy driving looked cool and a had a hot-blonde. I know the A7 was inspired by that design. I guess, I wanted to be that dude with the hot chick.
Also my brother had a model of an Audi Quattro, which I also thought was cool.It's weird, but I think that's where my fascination with cars and planes began...I always thought it began when I was 6 or 7 and my dad went to Germany and got me this cool toy BMW 635Csi and a toy Porsche 959, but it was even earlier when I was 3 years old and indoctrinated with those picture books of cars. Talk about digging up a repressed memory! Maybe I should have been lying on a couch while writing this up.
[Me--->
Sorry, really off-topic, but I never thought about until 25 years after the fact. I figure, if anybody would appreciate a story, it'd be car enthusiasts.
You can see it on this month cover:
I really, really going to miss the ponton line on the E class if they decide to delete 'em. I absolutely love the e class with sport package.
I was just gonna say that. The Ponton fenders really help set the E apart, IMO, and look very appropriate to the design. The car looks like it's lacking something without them in that picture.
Oh well, good for me, gives me less incentive to want a facelifted E when it comes.
Nope, not likely I'd guess, and definitely not official yet. But who knows where the Mag got that info from (could be credible?).
I kind of hope they do eradicate it now, however. Would give me extra incentive to not get yet another one, and if anything keep mine. I already like that the 2012's have the straight LED DRL's, as it provides more variety to this body style on the roads, and has me enjoying the my 2011's aesthetic more.
