6 Series (G32) [Official] BMW 6er GT (G32)

[Star&Car]

Yep, it's now in the "5 meter Club" with its 5,091mm length (which is roughly the same as SWB G11 7er with 5,098mm; and slightly longer than LWB G33 5er @ 5,069mm).

Mind primary market for this car is China. A vast majority of 5er GTs have been sold there. Which took BMW a bit by surprised since they planned Europe & US to be the key markets for 5er GT. It looks like Chinese just love big, long, roomy premium vehicles ... no matter of shapes & types. That's why iNext will be big & roomy as well.

Really?Do you have the numbers of 5 GT sold in China?I travel alot across cities,and I don't see many 5er GT on the road.

 

[Centurion]

The 640i GT is EUR 22.500 cheaper than the 740i.
Same wheelbase and virtually the same length.
Air suspension on both axles just like the 7er.
More headroom and luggage space.
150kg. less than the outgoing 5GT meaning it's much lighter/sportier than the G11.

Only front axle air suspension is standard on 6GT. Rear is optional. Correct me if I am wrong but awesome smelling nappa leather is standards on the 7 but not on the 5.

I just had a closer look at the UK spec sheet and unlike on the 5 Touring the below are standard equipment:
-Electric front seats with memory
-Power folding side mirrors
-Rear view camera
-BMW Iconic Adaptive LED headlights

Not bad right?

I better say no more as I might risk coming across as an advocate.

PS given its huge footprint it would have been fantastic if integral rear steering was active, as it's loudest criticism by journalists have been poor low speed maneuverability.

 

[DblPen]

The comfort (ride, noise isolation, seats etc) is so much better than the one of the 5er. So this time around this baby is actually a more practical 7er; yet still cheaper, thus 5er-like interior.

5er has the same seats as 7er and i really doubt bmw will invest more in GT's noise isolation, than in 5er's. Plus do we know for sure, that 6er GT will have any 7er suspension parts, or any different suspension parts from 5er at all?

 

[LaArtist]

I don't care with who you are with your idiotic comments.

My gosh and here I thought we were bonding.. oh well

 

[klier]

Mostly the Chinese.

And the western Europeans.

 

[Matski]

Plus do we know for sure, that 6er GT will have any 7er suspension parts, or any different suspension parts from 5er at all?

I think at this stage we don't know either way... however would you know which parts were different between the 5-er and 7-er anyway?

The proof, ultimately, will be in what they've done with what's underneath... if the GT is 7-er comfortable, and 5-er sporting, what difference does it make if they all share the majority of bit's and pieces underneath.

 

[DblPen]

I think at this stage we don't know either way... however would you know which parts were different between the 5-er and 7-er anyway?

The proof, ultimately, will be in what they've done with what's underneath... if the GT is 7-er comfortable, and 5-er sporting, what difference does it make if they all share the majority of bit's and pieces underneath.

how can you make a car 7er comfortable and 5er sporting? You cant have it both ways

 

[SKY]

I am actually suprissed by how good the car looks with the M Pack. If it was not because I don't like fastbacks, I would say it has some design cues nicer than the 5er and 7er.

 

[anti-VAG]

The same wheel base as 7er is totally different than the same wheelbase of the old 5gt. But "No surprise since the chassis is taken directly from 7er's textbook" would suppose that it uses the CFRP in the area of the central tunnel and the area under the doors like in the video below. But no word of CFRP yet.

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No... This is just big 5er.

AFAIK CFRP is reserved for 7er, 8er, X5...

 

[EnI]

Really?Do you have the numbers of 5 GT sold in China?I travel alot across cities,and I don't see many 5er GT on the road.

Those are eg. 2013 figures: 21,143 units of 5er GT sold worldwide. 42% of them in China, 29% in Europe, 10% in USA etc. In the last few years 5er GT sales in Europe & USA were decreasing, while in China they stayed flat - so the % climbed above 50% (so in the last two years more than 50% of all produced 5er GTs were sold in China.

 

[Matski]

how can you make a car 7er comfortable and 5er sporting? You cant have it both ways

I wasn't really saying you could (though how close you could get would be a separate topic), what I'm getting at is it doesn't matter what they actually use under the bodywork, so long as it meets desired criteria to fit its positioning in the market - it's only a discussion topic because people are keen to try and pigeon-hole this as either one thing or another - rather than just accepting it for what it is and what it does.

The 5-er and 7-er have many of the same components in the suspension anyway, so it's hardly a big issue.

 

[DblPen]

I wasn't really saying you could (though how close you could get would be a separate topic), what I'm getting at is it doesn't matter what they actually use under the bodywork, so long as it meets desired criteria to fit its positioning in the market - it's only a discussion topic because people are keen to try and pigeon-hole this as either one thing or another - rather than just accepting it for what it is and what it does.

The 5-er and 7-er have many of the same components in the suspension anyway, so it's hardly a big issue.

i cant argue with that, but the talks that this will be as comfortable (or at least close to) 7er or S class, with better interior, options and seats than 5er is all bs hype, it will (95% sure) be same as 5er in everything except for ugly looks, same suspension tuned for more comfort, will have dynamic downsides of SAV's with only benefit of higher seating position, higher price and hatchback trunk

 

[Centurion]

i cant argue with that, but the talks that this will be as comfortable (or at least close to) 7er or S class, with better interior, options and seats than 5er is all bs hype, it will (95% sure) be same as 5er in everything except for ugly looks, same suspension tuned for more comfort, will have dynamic downsides of SAV's with only benefit of higher seating position, higher price and hatchback trunk

The air suspension will give it a cushy and floaty feel of the 7-Series that the G30 doesn't have. However I am expecting it to be a touch inferior than the 7-Series on ride quality and insulation.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

The air suspension will give it a cushy and floaty feel of the 7-Series that the G30 doesn't have. However I am expecting it to be a touch inferior than the 7-Series on ride quality and insulation.

And less agile than the 7er, because of higher center of gravity

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

The data is for US
740ixDrive Curb Weight – Automatic transmission (lbs)4361
640ixDrive GTCurb Weight – Automatic transmission (lbs)4400

 

[DblPen]

The data is for US
740ixDrive Curb Weight – Automatic transmission (lbs)4361
640ixDrive GTCurb Weight – Automatic transmission (lbs)4400

a 5er with higher center of gravity, that weighs more than 7er, tuned to be as comfortable as possible, that is also ugly, just the car everybody needed from BMW

 

[hovabongZA]

No... This is just big 5er.

AFAIK CFRP is reserved for 7er, 8er, X5...

Don't you mean X7.... 5er doesn't get CFRP so would be strange for the X5 to get it.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

The interior looks great though, you'll see. What we can say is that the GT looks better in darker colors, and not white. You'll see

I feel like I am missing something here as this looks almost exactly like the 5er's interior. Nothing against the 5er's interior as I quite like it, but I don't see much in making its own. The previous 5GT's interior was a bit more distinctive than the F10's interior.

HIGHLIGHTS:

• 82mm longer than 5er GT, same width, same wheelbase, 21mm lower (tail 64mm lower)
• up to 150kg lighter than 5er GT (depends on the model)
• Cd of just 0,25
• automatic pop-up rear spoiler
• 3D rear light cluster design
• Integral Active Steering (also available with xDrive)
• Two-axle Air Suspension with active roll stabilization
• 110L more boot space (610L - 1800L)
• no more twin-gate trunk opening feature
• more rear headroom
• better noise isolation
• comfort seats
• BMW Personal Copilot driving assistance
• remote parking feature
• iDrive 6.0
• Wi-fi hotspot
• exterior designed by Hussein Al-Attar

Congrats to Hussein. It's nice to see a former GCF member going far in his dream job. Kudos! It is definitely a much improved design over the 5GT. My only criticism is that since BMW is insistent on calling it a 6-Series, this would create a great opportunity to make the front sleeker and more distinctive than either the 5er or 7er. In that way, it'd truly make this car its own thing.

Now to touch on the chosen nomenclature as it seems to dominate the thread thus far. When you take into account the 6er's lineage, it may seem sacrilege, but considering that the 6 Series existence has been spotty (you had the E24 which was replaced by the E31 8er, then with 6er badge resurrected after a 14 year absence for the E63 and F12) , I've taken a pretty ambivalent view of this whole thing. Frankly, of all the "transgressions" BMW has committed in the last 10+ years (i.e. M cars adopting forced induction, M being introduced to SAVs before considering the 7er, going FWD with their smaller offerings), committing the 6er badge to what is essentially a luxo-MPV is pretty low on the totem pole for me.

Frankly, when it's all said and done, I'd rather get the G31 5er Touring. Alas, it's not available this side of the Atlantic.

 

[Matski]

i cant argue with that, but the talks that this will be as comfortable (or at least close to) 7er or S class, with better interior, options and seats than 5er is all bs hype, it will (95% sure) be same as 5er in everything except for ugly looks, same suspension tuned for more comfort, will have dynamic downsides of SAV's with only benefit of higher seating position, higher price and hatchback trunk

I thought the point that was made is that it will mostly share 5-er interior despite being more "like" a 7-er underneath?

The way I see it, there's no reason why it can't ride as well as the 7-er.. It'll most probably be using the same components and assemblies.

As for handling it is actually fractionally closer to the ground than a G30, so although it's a taller vehicle, it won't necessarily suffer like a full on SAV does.. unless they decide to tune it that way - and - let's be honest though, this will be tuned for comfort (why wouldn't it be?), and I'm pretty sure that buyers for this car do not give a flying f*** about it's CoG being <~25mm higher. (Having said that, if you saw the later Nürburgring testing videos, it actually looks surprisingly composed given the absolute hammering the driver was giving it).

The interior will be what it will be... if they don't want to position it squarely against the 7-er in that respect I can understand, and the 5-er interior isn't exactly a bad place to start though.

All that combined with more luggage space than a G31.

So basically - it's mish mash of the best car all-round that BMW currently makes, and the most comfortable. And it's cheaper than a 7-er.

On paper, it's an excellent package - it's just a shame about the face.... (kinda like me really )

 

[DblPen]

I thought the point that was made is that it will mostly share 5-er interior despite being more "like" a 7-er underneath?

The way I see it, there's no reason why it can't ride as well as the 7-er.. It'll most probably be using the same components and assemblies.

As for handling it is actually fractionally closer to the ground than a G30, so although it's a taller vehicle, it won't necessarily suffer like a full on SAV does.. unless they decide to tune it that way - and - let's be honest though, this will be tuned for comfort (why wouldn't it be?), and I'm pretty sure that buyers for this car do not give a flying f*** about it's CoG being <~25mm higher. (Having said that, if you saw the later Nürburgring testing videos, it actually looks surprisingly composed given the absolute hammering the driver was giving it).

The interior will be what it will be... if they don't want to position it squarely against the 7-er in that respect I can understand, and the 5-er interior isn't exactly a bad place to start though.

All that combined with more luggage space than a G31.

So basically - it's mish mash of the best car all-round that BMW currently makes, and the most comfortable. And it's cheaper than a 7-er.

On paper, it's an excellent package - it's just a shame about the face.... (kinda like me really )

I really doubt it will have more space than a G31, maybe a negligible ammount. I doubt BMW would sell a car that rides as well as 7er at much lower price point. I you want a car that is more comfortable than 5er, but cant afford 7er, why not but e class? And best all-around car that BMW makes is (almost) always a 5er, GT will never be anywhere close to that.