M8 [Official] The New BMW M8 Coupé & Convertible (F91 & F92)

[donkeykong]

Blacked out- kidney grills, mirror caps , standard M exhaust with black tips as well as different wheels.

One could easily replicate those styling cues,so does that make it a different model all together? Why make things so tedious around here?

 

[hovabongZA]

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One could easily replicate those styling cues,so does that make it a different model all together? Why make things so tedious around here?

One could replicate anything if they wanted to so it’s irrelevant, I answered your question, if you were to remove the competition badge ...you can still tell the M8 and M8C apart and no the M8 and M8C aren’t different models, but there are differences.

 

[donkeykong]

and no the M8 and M8C aren’t different models, but there are differences.

Thanks.... My whole point was to make clear that they are not stand alone models as @dalab was suggesting.

 

[hovabongZA]

Thanks.... My whole point was to make clear that they are not stand alone models as @dalab was suggesting.

I don’t mean to speak for dalab, but I don’t think he suggested that the M8 competition is standalone model, but there are certainly some changes to the M8C that are more than just a trim.

 

[donkeykong]

I don’t mean to speak for dalab, but I don’t think he suggested that the M8 competition is standalone model, but there are certainly some changes to the M8C that are more than just a trim.

No, he definitely did. I'm not arguing the changes, I am aware of what they are. However you want to spin it,they are at the end of the day a different trim.

In just one week, no less than six new M models were presented, - X5M + comp.- X6M + comp. - M8GC + comp.

 

[hovabongZA]

No, he definitely did. I'm not arguing the changes, I am aware of what they are. However you want to spin it,they are at the end of the day a different trim.

Let’s make this simple.....is the M2CS a “ model” or a “different trim” like the M8C?

I think the timeframe of when each of these ‘models’ came out is the main issue here.

 

[donkeykong]

Let’s make this simple.....is the M2CS a “ model” or a “different trim” like the M8C?

I think the timeframe of when each of these ‘models’ came out is the main issue here.

HUH? They are both different trims of a respective M model, point blank. What's so difficult to understand here? I quoted dalab stating BMW released 6 new M models in a week, he then went on to say
"To me it still seems much more "other" M model than another trim level for many reasons, price, power, chassis, badges, personality, etc. Being M versions of a particular model are also new M models" you completely disregarded that and 'the main issue here' all together.

 

[hovabongZA]

HUH? They are both different trims of a respective M model, point blank. What's so difficult to understand here? I quoted dalab stating BMW released 6 new M models in a week and you completely disregarded that and 'the main issue here' all together.

You should really read what you write, read what you said here:

The M2CS is the next "M" model to debut, why is that a contradiction exactly?

The M2CS and M8C are both either new M Models or trims, depending on your definition, saying one is a M model and the other a trim is a complete contradiction! Dalab was indeed correct , you can’t say the M2CS is an next M model and than say the M8C is a trim ....which was your initial response or maybe you need to go back an read what he was saying.

 

[donkeykong]

You should really read what you write, read what you said here:


The M2CS and M8C are both either new M Models or trims, depending on your definition, saying one is a M model and the other a trim is a complete contradiction! Dalab was indeed correct , you can’t say the M2CS is an next M model and than say the M8C is a trim ....which was your ini...

What the hell are you rambling about? Have you actually read whats been posted in the last couple of pages, or are you just trolling???? How do you disregard the interaction between @dalab and @Betty Swollocks? Which is why I chimed in initially. Seriously, what are you on about exactly?

 

[Matski]

If I might try and throw some sense at this discussion...

BMW don't allocate different type codes to competition models (with the exception of the M2, probably because N55=>S55), where as they have done for things like the M4CS.

Therefore I'd suggest that an M8Comp is a different trim or option to an M8, but the same model. I suspect the M2CS will get it's own type code, and is therefore a different model.

 

[hovabongZA]

If I might try and throw some sense at this discussion...

BMW don't allocate different type codes to competition models (with the exception of the M2, probably because N55=>S55), where as they have done for things like the M4CS.

Therefore I'd suggest that an M8Comp is a different trim or option to an M8, but the same model. I suspect the M2CS will ge...

BMW are very unlikely to give it its own code in fact I bet it won’t all M2s will share the F87 designation. Even with the N55>>S55 it’s still a F87. Similar to the M4,M4C,M4CS, M4DTM and M4GTS they are all F82s.

My point is you can’t qualify the M2CS as a new model but disqualify the M8C as just a trim when they are both the same concept a hotter version of a standard car. If you say the M2CS is a different model then you have to also say the M8C is a different model.

 

[donkeykong]

BMW are very unlikely to give it its own code in fact I bet it won’t all M2s will share the F87 designation. Even with the N55>>S55 it’s still a F87. Similar to the M4,M4C,M4CS, M4DTM and M4GTS they are all F82s.

My point is you can’t qualify the M2CS as a new model but disqualify the M8C as just a trim when they are both the same concept a...

Who here has suggested that the M2CS is a new or different model from the M2 competition? Can you point that out exactly?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

You should really read what you write, read what you said here:


The M2CS and M8C are both either new M Models or trims, depending on your definition, saying one is a M model and the other a trim is a complete contradiction! Dalab was indeed correct , you can’t say the M2CS is an next M model and than say the M8C is a trim ....which was your initial response or maybe you need to go back an read what he was saying.

The M2 CS being "the next M model" to be released doesn't stop it being so closely linked to the M2 Competition that it's not considered a stand alone model. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The M2 Competition is "an M model". The M2 CS is "an M model". Hence the next M model to be released is the M2 CS.

What the hell are you rambling about? Have you actually read whats been posted in the last couple of pages, or are you just trolling???? How do you disregard the interaction between @dalab and @Betty Swollocks? Which is why I chimed in initially. Seriously, what are you on about exactly?

He does have me on "ignore user", which may explain why he doesn't see the interaction properly. I used to have him on my ignore user list, but it became unworkable as a lot of posts just didn't make sense because of it, just like this. Now I just have to accept his utter BS, not just here but elsewhere on the forum.

If you say the M2CS is a different model then you have to also say the M8C is a different model.

Nobody is saying the M2 CS is a different model. Why do you keep pursuing this?

 

[manuelf]

Who here has suggested that the M2CS is a new or different model from the M2 competition? Can you point that out exactly?

I think the confusion started with an interpretation of @Betty Swollocks post:

I wouldn't class the Competition versions as "new" M models. They're trim levels. They're basically the same car as the standard versions but have a few tweaks.
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M2 CS is clearly going to be the next M model.

So, @Betty Swollocks did (imho correctly) made a clear statement in his upper comment, that a Comp. model is rather a new trim level than a new model.
But in his very next statement he categorized M2 CS as the next M MODEL!
Coming from his upper comment (and me being nitpicky) he then would have to correct his second statement to:
M2 CS is clearly going to be the next M trim level.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I think the confusion started with an interpretation of @Betty Swollocks post:



So, @Betty Swollocks did (imho correctly) made a clear statement in his upper comment, that a Comp. model is rather a new trim level than a new model.
But in his very next statement he categorized M2 CS as the next M MODEL!
Coming from his upper comment (and me being nitpicky) he then would have to correct his second statement to:
M2 CS is clearly going to be the next M trim level.

I can see your point, and you're right, this is where the confusion lies. But in my head it makes perfect sense. The M2 CS is still an M model. Had I said "the next completely new M model to be released", then I wouldn't have said the M2 CS. I would guess that to be the G20 M3 (possibly).

It's hard to explain the semantics of the language used, especially in written form, but for me it makes sense and it doesn't contradict itself.

For what it's worth, in my job as an air traffic controller I have to have what is called an English Language Proficiency for Aeronautical Communications (ELPAC) test. On completion of this assessment, at my unit at least, you are given an ELPAC level from 1 to 5, with 5 being the highest. The passmark in order to do my job is level 4. Level 5 means you are completely fluent in English and have the skills of a native English speaker. If you achieve level 5, you are then offered the opportunity to be voluntarily assessed to a level 6 standard. Level 6 is all about understanding the nuances of English and understanding how certain statements could be interpreted in different ways. Most native English speakers where I work have level 5, but level 6 is not common because it's very difficult to achieve. I have level 6.

I have to say, airline pilots have to pass ELPAC tests also, and I know some airlines don't apply the very strict processes that my employers do, so I have met some non-native English speaking pilots who struggle to converse with me, yet have been awarded ELPAC level 6.

 

[donkeykong]

I think the confusion started with an interpretation of @Betty Swollocks post:



So, @Betty Swollocks did (imho correctly) made a clear statement in his upper comment, that a Comp. model is rather a new trim level than a new model.
But in his very next statement he categorized M2 CS as the next M MODEL!
Coming fro...

But apparently @hovabongZA has @Betty Swollocks blocked,so who was he directing his comments towards? Me? I sure as hell never contended that and regardless of wording neither did Betty. So he's either trolling or misread and in turn misinterpreted whats been said,either way,he's full of shit.

 

[hovabongZA]

Who here has suggested that the M2CS is a new or different model from the M2 competition? Can you point that out exactly?

No need for the back and forth, you simply won’t get me , we are clearly interpreting this differently and thats totally fine it happens.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

The silly thing is, we seem to all be in agreement, except maybe dalab.

 

[donkeykong]

No need for the back and forth, you simply won’t get me , we are clearly interpreting this differently and thats totally fine it happens.

I'm not gonna argue semantics with you but you have deliberately taken shit out of context to skew the narrative, and that's an issue.

 

[donkeykong]

The silly thing is, we seem to all be in agreement, except maybe dalab.

Exactly! Which is why I say he must be trolling or is full of shit.