M8 [Official] The New BMW M8 Coupé & Convertible (F91 & F92)

[hovabongZA]

But apparently @hovabongZA has @Betty Swollocks blocked,so who was he directing his comments towards? Me? I sure as hell never contended that and regardless of wording neither did Betty. So he's either trolling or misread and in turn misinterpreted whats been said,either way,he's full of shit.

Ah, I see you’re one of those guys that resort to insults when they can’t get their point across, there’s never ever a reason to get personal or emotional over objects especially on the internet.

Do enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Ah, I see you’re one of those guys that resort to insults when they can’t get their point across,

No, you really are full of shit and it deeply annoys people. This is what happens time and time again when you post.

 

[donkeykong]

Ah, I see you’re one of those guys that resort to insults when they can’t get their point across, there’s never ever a reason to get personal or emotional over objects especially on the internet.

Do enjoy the rest of your day.

You quoted me completely out of context and tried inserting words in my mouth afterwards. All of this arguing while at the same time agreeing with what I've been saying, how is that not to be perceived as trolling exactly? I'm done, I genuinely hope you enjoy your day as well, for what its worth.

 

[Matski]

BMW are very unlikely to give it its own code in fact I bet it won’t all M2s will share the F87 designation. Even with the N55>>S55 it’s still a F87. Similar to the M4,M4C,M4CS, M4DTM and M4GTS they are all F82s.

My point is you can’t qualify the M2CS as a new model but disqualify the M8C as just a trim when they are both the same concept a hotter version of a standard car. If you say the M2CS is a different model then you have to also say the M8C is a different model.

That's not quite what I mean. Each model has a 4 digit type code which is the VDS in the VIN. M2 and M2 Competition are both F87's, and M4, M4 CS and M4 GTS are all F82s, however, they're all identifiable as unique models by their 4 digit VDS (or type code). UK model M2 is 1J52, UK model M2 Competition is 2U72 for example. UK model M4 is 4Y92, the GTS was 4S93, the CS is 3S71. These numbers are common in the ETK and on the VIN decoders. My 1-er is an UG52.

From what I've seen models like the M5C, X3/4MC, X5/X6MC, M8C, M8GCC do not get unique codes. An M5 and M5C in the UK are both JF02, and it appears to be the same case for the other new competition models. Having had a quick look at an M5C VIN, what makes it a competition model isn't a unique VDS type code, it's an option code (S7MAA?).

I'm not stating this as a categorical definition, and if someone has evidence that what I'm saying is incorrect I'd gladly be corrected, but BMW clearly seem to make a definition between models in this way, and they're not doing it with the competition models (save for the M2 which got a different engine), therefore - for all that it matters (or doesn't), I don't consider it unreasonable to state the M8 Competition is not a new model (it's an M8 with an option fitted), and the M2 CS is, because it'll probably get a unique VDS like the M4 CS did... (... it might not of course, I don't think the M3CS got one.)

 

[hovabongZA]

That's not quite what I mean. Each model has a 4 digit type code which is the VDS in the VIN. M2 and M2 Competition are both F87's, and M4, M4 CS and M4 GTS are all F82s, however, they're all identifiable as unique models by their 4 digit VDS (or type code). UK model M2 is 1J52, UK model M2 Competition is 2U72 for example. UK model M4 is 4Y92, the G...

Generally speaking I don’t think the first thing people think about when you mention type codes is a number in the vin, so forgive me for assuming but I doubt I’m the only one that assumed that. In any case even if what you’re saying is true, still doesn’t change, if one considers the M2CS to be a separate model they’ll also have to consider the M8C the same, they are the same concept for reasons I’ve said above. BMW could have given the M2CS a unique vin for a number of reasons and we can speculate, but it’s still an F87 based on the M2 just like the M2C.

The best thing to do would be to find out from BMW if they reckon the M2CS and M8C are different models or different trims, I would wager they would say they are their own models.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

The best thing to do would be to find out from BMW if they reckon the M2CS and M8C are different models or different trims, I would wager they would say they are their own models.

Of course they would, but then they have to justify the inflated selling price the M3/M4 CS is over the standard model, and likely the M2 CS will be.

As good as the M3/M4 CS is, the price difference over the lower trim levels is not justified whatsoever, as a large part of the extra kit is just stuff from the M Performance catalogue, and if you add up the cost it doesn't come close to the ACTUAL extra costs.

The M3 CS was around £30,000 more than the M3 Competition.

 

[dalab]

So, @Betty Swollocks did (imho correctly) made a clear statement in his upper comment, that a Comp. model is rather a new trim level than a new model.
But in his very next statement he categorized M2 CS as the next M MODEL!
Coming from his upper comment (and me being nitpicky) he then would have to correct his second statement to:
M2 CS is clearly going to be the next M trim level.

That's exactly what I said, thanks

Thanks.... My whole point was to make clear that they are not stand alone models as @dalab was suggesting.

I never said they were stand alone models, since I was born that I know that C, CS etc, are not stand alone models, but from that point of view no current M is, since they all derive from a series.

I don’t mean to speak for dalab, but I don’t think he suggested that the M8 competition is standalone model, but there are certainly some changes to the M8C that are more than just a trim

Exactly

I can see your point, and you're right, this is where the confusion lies.

It is not really a big deal, but a question of terminology, I do not see any publication or automotive brand announcing the next "level trim" referring to the icons that represents any BMW motorsport, but we will refer to as a next or new "M" model (although only a more powerful or developed variant C, CS, CSL), simply because it is clearer.

The silly thing is, we seem to all be in agreement, except maybe dalab.

I think I have made clear what I wanted to say and what I think, it does not seem that I am the only one to disagree or agree, but that it is clear that the slight "contradiction" is a topic open to different opinions on how it is more normal call them without getting into techies.

It is also true that for example the M2 CS has a whole year more development than the models from which it derives and call it another level trim as it sounds a little, but as I said it is not a big deal and everyone can call it what they want.

 

[hovabongZA]

That's exactly what I said, thanks

I never said they were stand alone models, since I was born that I know that C, CS etc, are not stand alone models, but from that point of view no current M is, since they all derive from a series.

Exactly

It is not really a big deal, but a question of terminology, I do not see any publication or automotive brand anno...

Thank you for the clarity, I completely understood what you were saying, but people do interpret things differently.

 

[Matski]

Generally speaking I don’t think the first thing people think about when you mention type codes is a number in the vin, so forgive me for assuming but I doubt I’m the only one that assumed that. In any case even if what you’re saying is true, still doesn’t change, if one considers the M2CS to be a separate model they’ll also have to consider the M8C the same, they are the same concept for reasons I’ve said above. BMW could have given the M2CS a unique vin for a number of reasons and we can speculate, but it’s still an F87 based on the M2 just like the M2C.

Fair enough. I favour lengthy answers with many technicalities and as many numbers as possible... but each to their own.

The best thing to do would be to find out from BMW if they reckon the M2CS and M8C are different models or different trims, I would wager they would say they are their own models.

Given BMW's propensity for shoe-horning "new", "all new" or "first ever" into press-releases I'd say that was a safe wager.

 

[dalab]

Given BMW's propensity for shoe-horning "new", "all new" or "first ever" into press-releases I'd say that was a safe wager.

Yes, we are brainwashed

 

[donkeykong]

I never said they were stand alone models, since I was born that I know that C, CS etc, are not stand alone models, but from that point of view no current M is, since they all derive from a series.

Fair enough, and with that said,the M8 and M8 Competition aren't different or separate models from one another. To say BMW released 6 new M models this past week is an over estimation on your part.

 

[hovabongZA]

Nice colour combo.

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[Abbat]

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0-62 3.3 best result... But he says that probably it can do it better.

I won't buy the 2.8 sec story lol

 

[drifter1]

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0-62 3.3 best result... But he says that probably it can do it better.

I won't buy the 2.8 sec story lol

0-200 looked to be ~ 11 seconds, indicated speed.

 

[bmwblog]

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0-62 3.3 best result... But he says that probably it can do it better.

I won't buy the 2.8 sec story lol

There are no tricks. That was the time shown when we filmed that video that spread everywhere. Is it different if you use a Vbox? Probably. But that video has not been altered in any way. Still have the original file.

 

[hovabongZA]

There are no tricks. That was the time shown when we filmed that video that spread everywhere. Is it different if you use a Vbox? Probably. But that video has not been altered in any way. Still have the original file.

What did you use when you recorded the 2.8s time?

 

[drifter1]

What did you use when you recorded the 2.8s time?

I'm guessing the speedometer, which is never accurate.

 

[nikola1984]

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[Frankie G]

A nice addition would've been the RS7. But of the three, the M8 GC wins it for me on the exterior...though the Merc has an incredibly lithe full-on side profile. Interior, can't say just yet till I sit in all 3. Again, I do love the cocooned sculpture of those AMG rear seats

 

[bmwblog]

I'm guessing the speedometer, which is never accurate.

Exactly. A vbox will likely add 0.2 seconds to it, but will have to be tested.