6 Series [Official] BMW 6er Gran Coupe

[K-A]

It seems like Porsche's 911 is really Porsche's depreciation king (i.e, not depreciating). The Cayenne depreciates preposterously bad (SUV's always depreciate the worst), and the Panny I'm not sure about, but it seems to have held its price very well here, so far, I think.

The 6er "family" will depreciate like bricks, I have no doubts. As much as I love the 6 (COUPE), it must be the most artificially high priced car I've ever seen. They have 650i's with M-Pack for $110K INSANE! I know that's cheap considering the ROW, but in the U.S, that's remarkably high for a car that its perception and shared parts with lower priced siblings.

Already, I heard people were getting around 20% off those prices, right off the Showroom floor, and the car just came out. My feeling is that once the car becomes 1 or 2 years old, at least during end-of-year Sales, you can get a $100K 6er in the $70's (already heard some stories of close to that happening).

 

[klier]

The 6er "family" will depreciate like bricks, I have no doubts. As much as I love the 6 (COUPE), it must be the most artificially high priced car I've ever seen.

Insane statement, so bravo to you. Suits you well.
And no, don't start about cars like the SL and CL, who are both way more expensive and BOTH offer WAY less. CL because it's old, SL because it's a 2 seat roadster.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Insane statement, so bravo to you. Suits you well.
And no, don't start about cars like the SL and CL, who are both way more expensive and BOTH offer WAY less. CL because it's old, SL because it's a 2 seat roadster.

You are correct to mention the CL. I remember reading a few years ago that it is the highest depreciating model on sale in the UK, although I believe that was referring to the AMG version.

Your reason for saying the CL offers "WAY less" because it is old, however, is deeply flawed. I've drove the S Class (so virtually the same car) last year over 2,000km and four days, and it just blew the 7 Series out of the water in every area IMHO.

And I was as surprised as anybody about this because I LOVE the 7 Series. But the only area where the 7 Series beats the S Class is on fuel consumption. The S Class felt a whole class above the 7 Series and felt more special. And this is a car that is about to be replaced. Cannot wait for the new one.

 

[klier]

Your reason for saying the CL offers "WAY less" because it is old, however, is deeply flawed. I've drove the S Class (so virtually the same car) last year over 2,000km and four days, and it just blew the 7 Series out of the water in every area IMHO.

Ok well in sheer comfort and luxury it is still king maybe, but the tech is old, the handling is not so good, the car is extremely heavy and the track times (so to speak) aren't exactly up to par.
Either way, the car is overpriced, and not a single BMW comes close to this. In my country (don't get started Betty) a CL65 AMG is from 300,000 euro. And in my country, the CL is the car you lose the most money on when you buy it and want to sell later on. And this is a hard FACT.

And the SL.....well....2 seats less for a much higher price? BMW can only wish to be able charge so much for a car! When they do, the car (Z8) turns out to not quite be successful.

 

[Kowalski]

Ok well in sheer comfort and luxury it is still king maybe, but the tech is old, the handling is not so good, the car is extremely heavy and thetrack times (so to speak) aren't exactly up to par.
Either way, the car is overpriced, and not a single BMW comes close to this. In my country (don't get started Betty) a CL65 AMG is from 300,000 euro. And in my country, the CL is the car you lose the most money on when you buy it and want to sell later on. And this is a hard FACT.

And the SL.....well....2 seats less for a much higher price? BMW can only wish to be able charge so much for a car! When they do, the car (Z8) turns out to not quite be successful.

Track times? People who buy S-class Mercs and 7-series Bimmers couldn't give a flying **** about track times. Lap times are absolutely irrelevant.

 

[klier]

Aaaah, I guess you didn't see the 'so to speak' part then?

I full well know a CL isn't made to go on a track. Let me rephrase...it's a heavy pig that doesn't like to make a corner.

 

[Human]

Fact is that buyers of the cars discussed in terms of depreciation (or actually the upper luxury segment) don't give a rats ass about depreciation. That is why these cars depreciate, they do not have a 2nd hand market simple reason being the poor bloke, who can afford one of these (irrespective the brand) after it lost 60% of it's value cannot afford the maintenance on these cars i.e. Take the CL, the ABC Struts is factually unreliable and do brake (Google) and they cost a fortune.

Upper Luxury segment = buy new and dispose 2nd hand. That's why only the well heeled drive them

(Me: my X6M will depreciate or rather is depreciating. Up to now I am surprised at how well it kept it's value, that will only last for the next year. After that it's nearing it's Maintenance plan and will be worth sh!t. Time has come to swing it this year!) See me, already in a panic I am not the well heeled

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Ok well in sheer comfort and luxury it is still king maybe, but the tech is old, the handling is not so good, the car is extremely heavy and the track times (so to speak) aren't exactly up to par.

Track times? Why would you even mention this? And what do you mean by "so to speak"? Either you think track times are relevant or they're not. Don't bring them up and then say they're "not relevant". Just don't bring them up in the first place then.

"Handling not so good"? Really? You think that? Because the S Class felt far superior to the 7 Series in the areas that are important for this segment. What experience do you have that means you think the 7 Series is better than the S Class handling wise? Or do you mean it's more "Sporty"?

And you talk about "old tech". Other than the sat nav, the tech in the S class felt more modern than the 7 Series. The night vision is intergrated much better. The speedo is computer generated. The radar cruise works better. Sat behind the wheel in the S Class, you feel you're in a really recently produced car, despite the rather more traditional layout. This is aspect surprised me the most.

Either way, the car is overpriced, and not a single BMW comes close to this. In my country (don't get started Betty) a CL65 AMG is from 300,000 euro. And in my country, the CL is the car you lose the most money on when you buy it and want to sell later on. And this is a hard FACT.

Nobody is disputing this. Did you even read my post? It's also the highest depreciating car in the UK. The point is that it's NOT because it's "old".

Anyway, the 7 Series is a fabulous car still and I do love driving them, but I just think based on my own experience, the S Class is a level above.

Anyway, this is going WAY off-topic. Sorry.

 

[K-A]

Insane statement, so bravo to you. Suits you well.
And no, don't start about cars like the SL and CL, who are both way more expensive and BOTH offer WAY less. CL because it's old, SL because it's a 2 seat roadster.

We all know that a major factor as to what's "built into" these cars prices, is "prestige-perception". If you think a 6-Series has it equal to, or even close to a CL or SL, then you might be a bigger BMW nut than even I thought. Guess what, I'd rather buy a 6 Coupe/M-Pack over a CL, but I can recognize with nameplate has more "curb appeal".

If "what is offered" is what actually dictates a cars price, then guess what, the 6er should sell for less than the 5er, as it has "less room" and "2 less doors". They're the same car, one is artificially priced higher due to more a more exotic nature (Coupe) and less utilitarian sheetmetal molding.

And don't get in too much a huff about BMW's sanctity being questioned.... M-B know a thing or two about marking up the price of a lower end model by chopping off two doors, and giving it a different badge (though, they do visually differentiate it from the lower model that it's based off of, to the higher model that they're trying to fool you into thinking it is).

 

[Levi68]

 

[Deleted member 25]

For a a second i thoughht i was looking at the CS from the rear 3/4.

 

[Human]

^
Always nice to see IRL - interaction photo's. Thereby one can get a good perspective on size (as I am not good at it, judging a cars size from photo's)

Btw. Epic car IMO

 

[klier]

Absolutely breahtaking....
One can only magine this in M6 form.....M6 GC.....crazy stuff I tell you.....

Oh and one little thing to complain about perhaps...well, other than the crazy color I do not like, that xDrive logo on the back is really, very, fugly. Thanks, marketing team!

We all know that a major factor as to what's "built into" these cars prices, is "prestige-perception". If you think a 6-Series has it equal to, or even close to a CL or SL, then you might be a bigger BMW nut than even I thought.

The word alone maks me want to vomit. And I seriously mean that. I give credit where I think credit is due (Lexus LFA anyone? One of the most stunning cars ever made in my book, from a company I pretty much despise).
I don't give a rat's a$$ about prestige. Prestige is for the garbage man, who also wears a golden rolex and drives a beat up Benz.

But I still am a bigger BMW nut than you can possibly imagine, so don't you worry about that.....
Oh, and if you think MB builds in 'prestige perception' into it's price, I quite frankly think you are the nut....

 

[K-A]

That BMW badge that you obsess about so heavily IS the "prestige" that has you defending its artificially inflated price tag. You just are blinded to it and THAT big of a nut.

 

[Merc1]

Klier why don't you just stop before you make a complete fool out of yourself. All this nonsense about the CL couldn't be a bigger pile of BS. The handling isn't good? Track times? WTF are you talking about, do you even know?

The CL is another league from the 6-Series, this is from someone who has extensively driven both of them. Now let me guess, people who have driven both cars don't know what they're talking about either? You just can't admit that the S-Class or CL is superior machine to anything BMW has or doesn't have in the category. People don't buy these 4500lb cars for their handling prowess. OMG what a ridiculous argument. I know you know better than this.


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[K-A]

Exactly! The CL is in a different Class and league from the 6-Series. Handling, HP, etc. are irrelevant to that. The "Class" and "Level" i.e pricing of a car has more to do with its size and nature/placement.

A Ford Mustang GT has MORE HP than a $100K 6-Series, and has Options for fancy tech gizmo's as well. What makes the 6-Series worth more than a Mustang, Mr. "Prestige means nothing" Klier? Guess what? A Mustang GT will also OUTHANDLE a 6er! Probably gets better MPG too.

So, tell me, please, if prestige and the "intended perception" of a car means nothing, and taking subjective styling out of the equation, why should I spend $80K more on a Loaded 650i? Wannabe iPad screen? Semi-impressive leather stitching and interior materials? I'm crunching numbers here, and can't seem to find that hidden $80K.

..... OR, is it because with the 6, I can get front row valet at a restaurant? and have car that tells everybody just how much more "upper echelon" it is from the Mustang (not specifically as I rarely if ever valet or spend much time in fancy restaurants that have valet, nor do I PERSONALLY buy cars for these reasons, hence my finding the 6ers price tag hilariously artificially inflated for reasons that it doesn't quite stand up to yet).

.... There you go, I just schooled you on the differences between a CL and 6-Series. I'll bill you later.

 

[south]

Another thread about to be derailed, so I have to ask you guys to get back to topic. OT posts will be removed.


Best regards,
south

 

[chonkoa]

Another thread about to be derailed, so I have to ask you guys to get back to topic. OT posts will be removed.


Best regards,
south

To be frank it isn't that bad. We are still talking about the subject here(6er), I have seen worse..

 

[south]

Not sure if there was anything unclear about my previous post. Thread has been cleaned up again.


Best regards,
south

 

[K-A]

It was all hard facts! Which I then used to sum up my own opinions. Every detail I collected and used was hard fact.

I don't care about how most people perceive it, as I feel I'm well versed on the subject.

Again, O/T as I am responding to something directly toward me. I also don't see how my Reply to Kliers disillusionment about how prestige isn't built heavily into the price point of the 6-Series (which he hilariously agreed with without even knowing it), is O/T in a 6-Series Thread! The massive expense of this car is a heavy talking point within the subject based on it.