Phaeton [Spyshots] 2017 VW Phaeton - Spy Pics & Info
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tristatez28lt1
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When it comes to renders, Autozeitung is def the no talent comedian out of the magazine world lol^LOL.
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Another rendering based on the Shanghai Coupe C GTE Concept.
Actually, save the (quite ridiculous) headlamps & grill and the unlikely retractable doorhandles, this may be quite accurate.
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LOL.
In fact, Autozeitung renderings are usually a "hit or miss" affair. I have seen several that have been very close to the mark (the last I recall being the Audi A7 about 2 months before presentation which, save the taillamps, was pretty spot on).
F01_2008/09
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A render, based on the Auto-Motor-Sport illustration, just with a more "realistic" color...
F01_2008/09
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premier source of the Render: Auto-Motor-Sport
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/vw-neuheiten-bis-2018-1250467.html
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/vw-neuheiten-bis-2018-1250467.html
tristatez28lt1
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Next-gen Volkswagen Phaeton launch delayed because it’s too expensive to produce
Next generation Volkswagen Phaeton render / RM Design
Current model is VW's slowest selling model
According to sources close to Volkswagen, the company has decided to push back the launch of a second generation Phaeton full-size sedan.
The current Phaeton has been nothing but trouble for Volkswagen and it's actually their slowest selling model on sale today. To understand the magnitude of the Phaeton's failure, only 4,000 units were sold last year (down by 30% compared to 2013) and it's even more unpopular than the defunct Eos convertible. The €89,650 model came to life in 2002 after former chairman Ferdinand Piech ordered a rival for a Mercedes-Benz S-Class, but the model never really took off and it is believed Volkswagen lost €28,000 on each car sold between 2002 and 2012.
Development of a successor has been finalized, but it seems VW already has issues with the new version since they have delayed the model's launch in order to lower production and material costs. This decision has been taken part of Volkswagen’s big plan to maximize profits by cutting costs with assembly.
It comes as a big surprise that Piech's pet project wasn't axed immediately after he stepped down as chairman back in April. The new one is also envisioned as an S-Class competitor, but that doesn't make a lot of sense taking into account the Audi A8 is supposed to fulfill this role. What's even more confusing is the fact that a base A8 is actually €8,650 cheaper than the entry-level Phaeton in Germany. The top brass at Volkswagen probably think the company needs a flagship model with the VW badge to boost the core brand's image, but if it will be priced like the outgoing model, it's doomed to fail.
August 21, 2015 10:51 CET
FRANKFURT (Bloomberg) -- Volkswagen is delaying the introduction of the new Phaeton as the automaker seeks to improve returns on the slow-selling upscale sedan by lowering production and material costs, people familiar with the matter said.
Even though a new version of one of VW's least successful models is ready for production, the automaker is again reworking the Phaeton, which costs more than three times the mid-size Passat sedan, said the people, who asked to not be identified because the discussions are private.
VW did not on its plans for the model.
The 89,650-euro ($101,000) Phaeton, a pet project of engineering-obsessed former Chairman Ferdinand Piech, is an anomaly in VW's lineup of pragmatic sedans, hatchbacks and SUVs. The car is manually assembled in a special factory in Dresden by technicians wearing white uniforms and sometimes white gloves. The model features hand-selected wood veneers in the interior and seats adjustable in 18 different ways.
"There is always the element of the Phaeton being the answer to a question no one ever asked," said Tim Urquhart, a London-based analyst at market researcher IHS Automotive. "Who wants a VW limousine?"
Piech, who stepped down in April after a power struggle with CEO Martin Winterkorn, ordered development of the Phaeton to challenge VW engineers and take on the Mercedes-Benz S class. He demanded a car that could drive comfortably at speeds as high as 300 kilometers per hour (186 mph). The vehicle, which also competes with the A8 from Volkswagen's Audi unit, started production in 2002 and has been largely unchanged since.
Low volume
While Mercedes sold more than 100,000 S-class cars last year, VW made about 4,000 Phaetons, a drop of 30 percent. That's the lowest volume for an existing VW production vehicle, including the Eos convertible, which is being cut. The Phaeton amounts to less than a rounding error for a brand that made 6.16 million vehicles in 2014, but is important as a flagship.
Reworking the model would send a signal that Volkswagen is moving on from the Piech era to focus more on profitability. The namesake VW brand generated operating profit equivalent to 2.7 percent of sales in the first half, compared with a 5 percent margin at rival PSA/Peugeot-Citroen.
Herbert Diess, who previously headed purchasing and development at BMW, has been in charge of the VW brand since July. He is tasked with lifting margins at the automaker's biggest unit to more than 6 percent by 2018. His ability to turn around projects like the Phaeton will be a key test for one of the candidates to eventually succeed Winterkorn as CEO.
In the past, tinkering with the Phaeton has ended careers at Volkswagen. The decision by Wolfgang Bernhard to pull the car from the U.S. market in 2006 because of weak demand contributed to the ouster of the executive, who ran the VW brand at the time and now heads Daimler's trucks division.
With Piech gone and no longer around to defend the Phaeton, it is surprising VW is sticking with model, said IHS's Urquhart. "And given the current drive to save costs at VW, it is even more lucky to survive."
Next generation Volkswagen Phaeton render / RM Design
Current model is VW's slowest selling model
According to sources close to Volkswagen, the company has decided to push back the launch of a second generation Phaeton full-size sedan.
The current Phaeton has been nothing but trouble for Volkswagen and it's actually their slowest selling model on sale today. To understand the magnitude of the Phaeton's failure, only 4,000 units were sold last year (down by 30% compared to 2013) and it's even more unpopular than the defunct Eos convertible. The €89,650 model came to life in 2002 after former chairman Ferdinand Piech ordered a rival for a Mercedes-Benz S-Class, but the model never really took off and it is believed Volkswagen lost €28,000 on each car sold between 2002 and 2012.
Development of a successor has been finalized, but it seems VW already has issues with the new version since they have delayed the model's launch in order to lower production and material costs. This decision has been taken part of Volkswagen’s big plan to maximize profits by cutting costs with assembly.
It comes as a big surprise that Piech's pet project wasn't axed immediately after he stepped down as chairman back in April. The new one is also envisioned as an S-Class competitor, but that doesn't make a lot of sense taking into account the Audi A8 is supposed to fulfill this role. What's even more confusing is the fact that a base A8 is actually €8,650 cheaper than the entry-level Phaeton in Germany. The top brass at Volkswagen probably think the company needs a flagship model with the VW badge to boost the core brand's image, but if it will be priced like the outgoing model, it's doomed to fail.
August 21, 2015 10:51 CET
FRANKFURT (Bloomberg) -- Volkswagen is delaying the introduction of the new Phaeton as the automaker seeks to improve returns on the slow-selling upscale sedan by lowering production and material costs, people familiar with the matter said.
Even though a new version of one of VW's least successful models is ready for production, the automaker is again reworking the Phaeton, which costs more than three times the mid-size Passat sedan, said the people, who asked to not be identified because the discussions are private.
VW did not on its plans for the model.
The 89,650-euro ($101,000) Phaeton, a pet project of engineering-obsessed former Chairman Ferdinand Piech, is an anomaly in VW's lineup of pragmatic sedans, hatchbacks and SUVs. The car is manually assembled in a special factory in Dresden by technicians wearing white uniforms and sometimes white gloves. The model features hand-selected wood veneers in the interior and seats adjustable in 18 different ways.
"There is always the element of the Phaeton being the answer to a question no one ever asked," said Tim Urquhart, a London-based analyst at market researcher IHS Automotive. "Who wants a VW limousine?"
Piech, who stepped down in April after a power struggle with CEO Martin Winterkorn, ordered development of the Phaeton to challenge VW engineers and take on the Mercedes-Benz S class. He demanded a car that could drive comfortably at speeds as high as 300 kilometers per hour (186 mph). The vehicle, which also competes with the A8 from Volkswagen's Audi unit, started production in 2002 and has been largely unchanged since.
Low volume
While Mercedes sold more than 100,000 S-class cars last year, VW made about 4,000 Phaetons, a drop of 30 percent. That's the lowest volume for an existing VW production vehicle, including the Eos convertible, which is being cut. The Phaeton amounts to less than a rounding error for a brand that made 6.16 million vehicles in 2014, but is important as a flagship.
Reworking the model would send a signal that Volkswagen is moving on from the Piech era to focus more on profitability. The namesake VW brand generated operating profit equivalent to 2.7 percent of sales in the first half, compared with a 5 percent margin at rival PSA/Peugeot-Citroen.
Herbert Diess, who previously headed purchasing and development at BMW, has been in charge of the VW brand since July. He is tasked with lifting margins at the automaker's biggest unit to more than 6 percent by 2018. His ability to turn around projects like the Phaeton will be a key test for one of the candidates to eventually succeed Winterkorn as CEO.
In the past, tinkering with the Phaeton has ended careers at Volkswagen. The decision by Wolfgang Bernhard to pull the car from the U.S. market in 2006 because of weak demand contributed to the ouster of the executive, who ran the VW brand at the time and now heads Daimler's trucks division.
With Piech gone and no longer around to defend the Phaeton, it is surprising VW is sticking with model, said IHS's Urquhart. "And given the current drive to save costs at VW, it is even more lucky to survive."
Who would expect a 13 year old designed car (almost 2 model cycles of most models) to be selling like hot cakes when they haven't invested in any serious FL for this car over the 13 years? 4000 cars in one year sure is low volume when compared to an S-class or other rival but it is in the league of RR for volumes. The Phaeton styling wise still looks like a big Passat but as for build quality, quietness and ride quality it still is close to the best cars in the segment.
I hope its replacement will carry on this tradition but be more adventurous in its looks and as well as be a much lighter car (2300kg current model needs to be trimmed by at least 300kg).
I hope its replacement will carry on this tradition but be more adventurous in its looks and as well as be a much lighter car (2300kg current model needs to be trimmed by at least 300kg).
Merc1
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Talk about an answer to a question no one asked. This car is irrelevant and a waste of time and resources for VW. 4000 a year? That is pathetic. Drop this car and be done with it. Focus on getting VW's bread and butter cars right and getting the crossovers and SUVs that are needed in the showrooms.
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The Concept C GTE Coupe presented in Shanghai earlier this year is said to be a relatively accurate precursor for the Phaeton II. Alas, as attractive as I find the concept, the Phaeton appears to be absolutely superfluous.
slicknick
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Of which more than 1/3 of the demand is from one single dealership somewhere in China
I suppose it is an image builder for VW in China and Hong Kong?
tristatez28lt1
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- China market is big target
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