7 Series (G11) [Official] BMW 7 Series (G11/12)

[Mick Briesgau]

Mercedes has been selling a 4 pot in the S class for some time now right?

I don't see the problem, when the 4 pots have V8 power of 15-20 years ago...
Nice and light, nimble and economical.

A car with an I4, I6, V8 and V12. All available in one model, and probably all with or without xDrive. And of course numerous diesel engines with 1, 2 or 3 turbos, and hybrid models.......eat your heart out Alfa, that's just the 7er.

Yes, the W222 S300h, a I4 cylinder diesel with a hybrid component (204 PS + 27 PS).

 

[DjordjeC63]

Alpina could look really nice.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

A S500 attracts a >100% first registration tax in Hong Kong also. But I would never pick a 4-pot 7-Series or S Class because of refinement issues. I live on a hilltop and I just can't imagine a 730i can make it up the hill without putting the pedal to the metal.

The 730Li is powered by a hero of a downsized motor, a 2.0 litre turbocharged four-cylinder tasked to haul a big limo. This entry-level petrol engine for the 7 Series puts out 258 hp from 5,000 to 6,500 rpm; and 400 Nm of torque from 1,550 to 4,400 rpm. The B48 is a relatively new engine and has been seen in the Mini Cooper S and JCW, BMW 2AT/2GT sisters and facelifted 3 Series, but we’re seeing the most powerful version of it in the G11.

Using an eight-speed auto, performance is far from shabby, with the benchmark 0-100 km/h sprint taking just 6.3 seconds. Top speed is at the regular 250 km/h mark, while fuel consumption is rated at 5.8 litres per 100 km, 0.8 l/100 km better than the 740Li. Not sold here, the 740e plug-in hybrid also uses this engine, but with an electric motor and lithium-ion battery in the mix.

Jaguar’s XJ also has a 2.0L turbo option, but the big cat’s 240 PS, 340 Nm and 7.5 seconds pale in comparison. Also weaker is the outgoing 730Li – powered by a NA 3.0 litre six-pot, it does 258 hp, 310 Nm and 7.5 seconds. No reason to fear downsizing, then.

 

[klier]

^ This engine will take you to the top of the hill without any problem whatsoever @Wunderkind

The 4 pot W222 S300h is much slower.
And the S400h is also slower.

S300h 0-100 km/h 7.6 secs
S400h 0-100 km/h 6.8 secs (which is a 3.5 liter V6.....LOL)

 

[klier]

And one more thing...

The F01 730i has a 258 hp I6.
The G11 730i has a 258 hp I4.

7.5 secs 0-100 vs 6.3 secs 0-100. Damn. Who again was saying the carbon core didn't help? Wasn't that you @Rolf (have you washed your mouth yet )

Okok, there is a 90 Nm difference too, in favor of the G11. But still.

 

[Wunderkind]

^ This engine will take you to the top of the hill without any problem whatsoever @Wunderkind

The 4 pot W222 S300h is much slower.
And the S400h is also slower.

S300h 0-100 km/h 7.6 secs
S400h 0-100 km/h 6.8 secs (which is a 3.5 liter V6.....LOL)

It's the NVH issues under hard acceleration and the much higher percentage of driving requiring 50-70% throttle that bothers me. Also, I'll wait for the test figures and see the acceleration performance between 80-150km/h. I suspect I'll have to find a straight road to Siberia to achieve the 250km/h maximum speed.

Also, I wonder how much a 730i spec-ed to the same equipment level as a 740i will cost.

 

[klier]

Were you saying the same things when the E38 740i V8 was on sale? It is slower than this new car, and that is just 15 years ago.

And finding a straight road to Siberia to reach max speed, sure, but you'd need a straight road to the moon in an S class.

Also, I wonder how much a 730i spec-ed to the same equipment level as a 740i will cost.

That will be virtually the same I think. And I mean the level of equipment.

 

[Rolf]

I seriously doubt that claimed time of 6.3sec 0-100km/h for the 730i, I would reckon 6.6/6.7sec sounds more realistic as the more powerful F10 BMW 535i (with 306hp/400nm N55 engine) is probably 50kg lighter and that does 6.1sec with the 8speed auto.

That time of 6.3sec is identical to the 2001 E65 745i with 333hp/450nm 4.4ltr V8, amazing progress.

 

[maragulon]

From other site I had info that 730i and 725d will join in eu to lineup. I don't know when but IMO it sure that it will be happen.

 

[klier]

I seriously doubt that claimed time of 6.3sec 0-100km/h for the 730i, I would reckon 6.6/6.7sec sounds more realistic as the more powerful F10 BMW 535i (with 306hp/400nm N55 engine) is probably 50kg lighter and that does 6.1sec with the 8speed auto.

It's called amazing progress, you said it yourself

From other site I had info that 730i and 725d will join in eu to lineup. I don't know when but IMO it sure that it will be happen.

No doubt. And they will sell like hotcakes.

 

[SCOTT27]

From other site I had info that 730i and 725d will join in eu to lineup. I don't know when but IMO it sure that it will be happen.

Yes and do not rule out a 730eDrive either.

 

[Padi]

No doubt. And they will sell like hotcakes.

I'd imagine they will, especially as taxis in Germany. In fact, I'm sure most EU customers will choose the 730i out of the petrol engines.

Amazing 0-100 time, if true. My only concern is the overtaking speed though. All the fourpots I've driven are lacking in that area, which I find the most important. One of the countless reasons I hang on to the e38 740i, although sluggish 0-100km/h (7s), there's always power when you press the pedal, resulting in ridiculously easy overtakes.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

I'd imagine they will, especially as taxis in Germany. In fact, I'm sure most EU customers will choose the 730i out of the petrol engines.

Amazing 0-100 time, if true. My only concern is the overtaking speed though. All the fourpots I've driven are lacking in that area, which I find the most important. One of the countless reasons I hang on to the e38 740i, although sluggish 0-100km/h (7s), there's always power when you press the pedal, resulting in ridiculously easy overtakes.

Small engine big cars is a Asia thing.

 

[Wunderkind]

I'd imagine they will, especially as taxis in Germany. In fact, I'm sure most EU customers will choose the 730i out of the petrol engines.

Amazing 0-100 time, if true. My only concern is the overtaking speed though. All the fourpots I've driven are lacking in that area, which I find the most important. One of the countless reasons I hang on to the e38 740i, although sluggish 0-100km/h (7s), there's always power when you press the pedal, resulting in ridiculously easy overtakes.

Exactly, it's the 80-150km/h kick down overtaking acceleration I'm most interested. Anyone can tune an engine to give 110% for the 0-100 sprint.

But this is actually not my concern as the 4-pot 730i is not coming to Hong Kong. I'll see if any of my mainland China friends will get one so I can try it out when it's released.

 

[Wunderkind]

Small engine big cars is a Asia thing.

Small engined big cars with extended wheelbase is even bigger in the China market.

I'm starting to think the spy photos of the LWB E Class is not an E-Maybach but a Long-LWB E250 Limo.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

In this class it's all about torque. 0-60 Mp/h figures are of no meaning whatsoever. Especially taken in to account the potential clientèle. We're not talking about 2er or 3er.
A 725d sounds very interesting.

 

[bmwownage]

I don't know what's the fuss. This engine replaced the NA 6cylinder 3.0L engine and has more thrust.

 

[klier]

In this class it's all about torque. 0-60 Mp/h figures are of no meaning whatsoever. Especially taken in to account the potential clientèle. We're not talking about 2er or 3er.
A 725d sounds very interesting.

400 Nm is not enough?

Seriously, I don't know what some of you are on about. 400 Nm is close to the E65 745i V8. This car will be plenty fast, including in overtaking.

Also, the car will be around 100 kg lighter than the E65 745i.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

400 Nm is not enough?

For a non-diesel not bad at all and it should be sufficient for normal everyday use.

 

[klier]

Not bad as in amazingly fantastic for a 4 pot in a luxury sedan?