6 Series (F12/F13/F06) [Official] BMW 6er Coupe (F13)

[Giannis]

Not dynamic enough is not BMW worthy. It's a freaking coupe for 60 year old golf players. Damn!

In a world in which turning off the stability systems is considered a federal crime and in which a good six-speed manual gearbox is considered the stone-age way of changing gears, what did you expect the 6 series to be?

 

[klier]

It appears to be not dynamic enough, and I don't think I'veever read that about a BMW coupe. Well maybe the 8er, but all others?
And I've read comments referring to this more. This is no isolated case.

 

[SKY]

It appears to be not dynamic enough, and I don't think I'veever read that about a BMW coupe. Well maybe the 8er, but all others?
And I've read comments referring to this more. This is no isolated case.

You owned a 645ci didn´t you? Maybe you could test drive the new 6er and tell us if it really performs that poorly.

 

[SCOTT27]

THE BMW 6 SERIES - AND ACTION! 2011 - YouTube

BMW Begin their international promotional attack ahead of Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol's worldwide release in December with a series of commercials focusing on their product placement. First up is the new BMW 6er which appears on screen in both Coupe and Cabrio in an thrilling action sequence set in Dubai. ( I have seen the film and yes it is the best of the series. It also brings the series back to the first film with an intriguing twist.) Everybody is going to want the (Vision Efficient Dynamics) i8 as it really stands out on the screen.

 

[klier]

You owned a 645ci didn´t you? Maybe you could test drive the new 6er and tell us if it really performs that poorly.

Yes, 645ci SMG weighs around 1700 kg, and I already found that enough. I'm going to drive the new one one of these days indeed. But with at least 120 kg more on the scale, I doubt I'll like it much. Also the fact that there is no SMG/DCT available. It is in a 10k Polo, but not in the 6er (I don't like auto transmission)

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Everybody is going to want the (Vision Efficient Dynamics) i8 as it really stands out on the screen.

Must. Resist. Marketing. Must. Resist. Marketing. Must. Resist. Marketing.

 

[EnI]

Must. Resist. Marketing. Must. Resist. Marketing. Must. Resist. Marketing.

Not really. The production car will be very futuristic for its time ...
BMW are packing all the production ready state-of-art-tech in the car. In order the car will really stand out from the crowd.
Including the "electric turbo"engine , laser headlights, all the ConnectedDrive stuff (infotainment stuff, driving assistance stuff etc) , all-digital cockpit, CFRP car body etc.
It will be a pioneering car ... But for how long? The rivals are not resting either, although their are not as vocal regarding the future products as BMW is.

Mind the BMW i will always bring futuristic state-of-art tech to the automotive world ... i as innovations. M gives you thrilling (motor)sports machines, i will provide you the hippest hi-tech machines.

 

[klier]

^^^ Being loaded with batteries and weighing much more than you should is not hip Eni.

Also, gadgets like laser headlights are not going to make it to production. Not in 2013 at least. That's just wishful thinking.

 

[K-A]

Everyone who just started jumping on the brand-new, barely-developed LED headlight bandwagon would be reeaaaaal pissed if Laser Headlights start making it into production.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Not really. The production car will be very futuristic for its time ...

The car could be the fastest, most economical, cheapest to buy, etc. I agree, it certainly looks fantastic in real life. Basic economic theory assumes consumers are rational. In reality they're not.

But that wasn't the point of my post.

I really don't mean to offend Scott as from his perspective he's not doing anything wrong, but when a known BMW insider from marketing is making statements like that, it just completely turns me off (whilst also posting a video online which is again BMW marketing) I sometimes wonder whether I'm being brainwashed by BMW marketing guff, when all I want to do is discuss cars with unbiased petrolheads and not have to selectively ignore comments from people who have a vested interest. I'm sick of reading "BMW are this", "BMW are that", "BMW are the first to do this", "EVERYBODY is going to want the i8" etc. etc. It would be the same if there was a MB marketing guy or an Audi marketing guy, but there isn't. It's fine when an average member makes comments like that, but when it's coming from someone who is publicly known as somebody who actively works in BMW marketing and even sees forums like this one as just another part of the marketing machine, their comments are no longer "just comments". It's MARKETING.

I'm sure Scott will disagree and say that their his own opinions, but from an outsiders perspective they can never be seen that way.

It's nothing personal against Scott. I have no reason to think he's anything other than a nice guy. But we are bombarded with marketing in most aspects of our life, and it's invasive on some occassions, so the last thing I want when I'm on a car forum is to be bombarded there also. Scott even has his own forum which you can choose to avoid, but this is the 6 Series thread.

As stupid as it may sound, I have actually gone off BMW to some degree, and it's completely down to being constantly told how fantastic BMW are. I'm sick of hearing it.

Anyway, sorry to continue this thread off topic. I hope it doesn't derail the thread. If you feel particularly strongly against my thoughts maybe PM me so as not to start a big argument.

 

[GreyCoupe]

Disagreeing with any manufacturer's business decisions and target markets is certainly subject to individual taste. Probably need to check with BMW prior to declaring whether the new 6 is a failure for them. That it is a failure for any given individual is moot in terms of manufacturer's perspective if the response from the targeted demographic meets or exceeds predications. My BMW dealer [US-NC] suggests to me that they are very pleased with the way the car is selling. Big GTs are not designed to be sports cars, nor grab customers from age demos similar to 3 sport, M3, Z4 age targets. Besides, 60 year old golfers aren't such bad guys.

 

[klier]

No you're absolutely right GreyCoupe! My apologies for that statement, it wasn't meant to be rude or disrespectful. If anything, I hope I can be a 60 year old golf player that drives BMW's latest&greatest one day! Still some years to go for that (phew! )

But my other statement stays! It's beyond ridiculous that there is no DCT or even SMG available in the 6er. I dislike the 8-speed, and everybody who says the 8-speed is similar to the DCT as found in the 335i/Z4 35i is, well, crazy? That whole story is marketing BS. DCT and 8-speed are not alike, and DCT would make the 6er so much more sporty!!!

 

[K-A]

60 year old Golfers have all the dough.

 

[GreyCoupe]

I've driven the car with a manual transmission and it is more engaging, but in the US, the automatic is the better choice. The MT is more engaging in traffic, when you'd just as soon forget it. I guess my wrinkle comes from those who seek more sportiness. Driven in a spirited fashion with the suspension and shift points set at sport or sport + is really as "sporty" as a car this big and this heavy gets. My E24 was not a sports car, rather a very sporty GT. My E63 moved away from the sporty side of GT by a considerable measure. I was surprised and disappointed that the F13 is heavier yet, but I believe that it hit its design targets well. Big, luxurious, GT, more for high speeds on appropriate roads than pushing big numbers on the skidpad, or being nimble through the twisties. Think Panamera Coupe, not 911, CL, not SLK, for certain. Driving in southern Europe especially, makes such a car a great place to be when one gets out of the neighborhoods and onto the autostrada.

But in town, a Smart, or Mini, or Fiat 500 is more convenient. The same is increasingly true in the States. In town, the F13 is mostly just pretty; too many morons in dangerously heavy missiles who are further distracted by their phone calls. Driving in town makes the interior appreciated. It isn't until the road opens up, and traffic eases that the F13 begins to shine. Its manner lightens considerably on well paved switchbacks, driven briskly. But the real thrill is taking big sweepers at twice the speed limit or more, calmly, fully under control. Oh, to spend a day traveling at speeds this car is designed for! If everyone had one, and was permitted to drive the car's capacity, the airlines would be in trouble.

 

[klier]

I guess my wrinkle comes from those who seek more sportiness. Driven in a spirited fashion with the suspension and shift points set at sport or sport + is really as "sporty" as a car this big and this heavy gets.

Yeah, it's really weird to expect some sportiness from a BMW coupe. Really weird indeed

Also, it's nice to know there's a manual available in the U.S. You happen to have any pics of that?
In EU country, it's available ONLY with the 8-speed yawn box.

And you're right about the thrill of driving fast in such a car. Yesterday I got a 760Li V12 for a day, and I don't think the speedo came below 180 km/h on the highway.....it felt like 65 km/h btw.

 

[GreyCoupe]

Oh, you are quite right, sportiness ought to be a central ingredient of any BMW couple. But I don't think F13 is "sport-iless"--I just attribute the sports car moniker to what I think are genuine, balls-out sports cars; 911RS, Stradale versions from Modena, Zonda, Lambo Superleggera, some of the stripped Lotus cars, D Type Jags, Cobras, etc. That sort of rip and tear boy racer capacity is not what I seek--and woefully, the F13 is not nimble. But it lightens nicely when driven with some touch.

Truth be known, I would much prefer a 2012 version of the E24. Much smaller, genuinely nimble, handling precise but not harsh, great visibility, vivid engine.

 

[klier]

No it's not nimble. I figured that much when I drove the 535i the other day. Fantastic car, but more 7er than 3er.

 

[K-A]

Saw these while browsing around Dealers (pics below). I must say, once again, inside the Dealership there was an M-Pack White 650i Coupe. Not only was I aware of the presence that extremely graceful and elegant woman (I feel the design is literally meant to evoke an elegant and graceful woman with a slight naughty side), but the REAL kicker was when I stepped out of the car....

The Showroom window was right across from us, so I happened to catch a glimpse of myself getting out of it.... And yup, this is the one, I literally turned myself on from the oozing sexiness by seeing me get out of this car.... Talk about a sales tactic! The image just looked so right, the car is just classically "me" in so many design elements. Unfortunately, my brain would never justify that price tag (MSRP that is).

As for the 6 Coupe with M-Pack VS CLS, I believe my verdict is the 6 wins (taking value and price out of the equation), It's just so much less flawed, so much smoother and effortlessly executed. Although I feel the CLS has a nicer interior due to it incorporating a luxurious theme which trump the more 1-track (Sport) theme of the 6ers interior.

Here are some pics of an F10 with M-Pack next to a 6 Vert (blech at the Vert aspect) sans M-Pack.

 

[klier]

6er looks a bit awkward without LEDs imo. They are much needed. But on the CLS as well...

 

[K-A]

Yeah the 6 is one of those cars that need all the goodies to fully look complete, as is the CLS. They're cars designed with fashion in mind (no utilitarianism there really) so they need the full glam setup. The E-Class and 5-Series segment type of cars can look good in more austere measures IMO, as they can highlight the more "pure" type of designs.

I really wish I didn't see the reflection of myself getting out of the damn 6-Series.... I just saw such a great fit And yes, because this is the last thing I needed to see. Lol.