CLA (C178) [Spy Shots] 2024 Mercedes MMA model (CLA) first pictures

[Mr. Mercedes]

Current CLA looks amazing imo. Not sure this next-gen EV model will top it.

The current CLA is a very pretty car. I don't see how they will better it with the packaging issues of the EV platform, so I think we should be prepared to be underwhelmed.

 

[fan_of_642]

We are on the way to ZERO emission mobility, aren't we ?
So, design will be our minor problem.
The 5/i5 for me has not a problem with it's silhouette, there are bigger snags.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

We are on the way to ZERO emission mobility, aren't we ?
So, design will be our minor problem.
The 5/i5 for me has not a problem with it's silhouette, there are bigger snags.

There is no such thing as zero emissions mobility. The emissions are just being moved from the vehicle to higher upstream. I.e energy production, manufacturing, raw material mining etc.

 

[Luca]

 

[J.E]

There is no such thing as zero emissions mobility. The emissions are just being moved from the vehicle to higher upstream. I.e energy production, manufacturing, raw material mining etc.

And that's exactly where I think "Big Bad Oil" is going to fit in, because "BBO" has the tech to extract the raw material for the batteries. Which explains why we don't see CEO of oil companies throwing a tantrum about electrification, because they will just switch from oil to lithium.

 

[klier]

There is no such thing as zero emissions mobility. The emissions are just being moved from the vehicle to higher upstream. I.e energy production, manufacturing, raw material mining etc.

The mobility part actually is zero emmision believe it or not.

And the backend can all be fixed with modern small fission reactors for example. Yeah you have to mine some materials now, but even that will stop when they can 100% reuse raw materials....which they can already.
Not to mention, lithium is not going to stay.

With ICE? No such thing.

 

[Leaker]

The mobility part actually is zero emmision believe it or not.

And the backend can all be fixed with modern small fission reactors for example. Yeah you have to mine some materials now, but even that will stop when they can 100% reuse raw materials....which they can already.
Not to mention, lithium is not going to stay.

With ICE? No such thing.

Even electric cars have to brake, right? The cars are usually heavier as well. So no, the mobility part is not zero emission. Brake dust pollutes the enviroment much more than the fumes of the modern ICE engines.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

The mobility part actually is zero emmision believe it or not.

And the backend can all be fixed with modern small fission reactors for example. Yeah you have to mine some materials now, but even that will stop when they can 100% reuse raw materials....which they can already.
Not to mention, lithium is not going to stay.

With ICE? No such thing.

Conservation of energy means that all of this is meaningless.
If the electrical energy used to power the car is produced using fossil fuels, then the net result is still the same on a global scale, as if the car was burning that fuel instead. More electric cars = more electricity needs to be generated. Where does that extra power come from? That is an important question.

 

[klier]

Conservation of energy means that all of this is meaningless.
If the electrical energy used to power the car is produced using fossil fuels, then the net result is still the same on a global scale, as if the car was burning that fuel instead. More electric cars = more electricity needs to be generated. Where does that extra power come from? That is an important question.

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Stop trying to make things complicated. FFS

Even electric cars have to brake, right? The cars are usually heavier as well. So no, the mobility part is not zero emission. Brake dust pollutes the enviroment much more than the fumes of the modern ICE engines.

But here's the kicker..... ICE cars get both

 

[Sunny]

Even electric cars have to brake, right? The cars are usually heavier as well. So no, the mobility part is not zero emission. Brake dust pollutes the enviroment much more than the fumes of the modern ICE engines.

EVs use far less mechanical braking, cause of regenerative braking. Once you get a bit used to one pedal driving, you can easily do the normal street driving without touching the brake pedal.

 

[klier]

EVs use far less mechanical braking, cause of regenerative braking. Once you get a bit used to one pedal driving, you can easily do the normal street driving without touching the brake pedal.

All fine and well, but the regenerative braking is a drop in the ocean with the weight these EVs have to stop.
And it is absolutely impossible to not use the brake in tight busy European cities or generally crowded urban areas.

 

[fortuner]

That actually looks very promising

 

[Sunny]

All fine and well, but the regenerative braking is a drop in the ocean with the weight these EVs have to stop.

If anything it is the other way around. Unless it is an emergency braking, you really don't need mechanical braking. There are lot of studies to back it up. Porsche claims, they found 90% of braking for Taycan is regenerative. When I had Model 3, once I got used to one pedal driving, hardly ever touched the brake pedal.

 

[klier]

If anything it is the other way around. Unless it is an emergency braking, you really don't need mechanical braking. There are lot of studies to back it up. Porsche claims, they found 90% of braking for Taycan is regenerative. When I had Model 3, once I got used to one pedal driving, hardly ever touched the brake pedal.

Yeah, seems fair. Only thing is, Europe is a completely and vastly different proposition. Drive without your brake pedal here and you will not make it out in one piece.

And that Porsche claim cannot be anything else but horseshit.

 

[Sunny]

Yeah, seems fair. Only thing is, Europe is a completely and vastly different proposition. Drive without your brake pedal here and you will not make it out in one piece.

And that Porsche claim cannot be anything else but horseshit.

Why is it horseshit? The new Taycan renerative braking power is 400kw. If you apply some simple high school physics and math, that translates to slowing a 5000 lb car from 60mph in ~ 30m (-1.34g). That is a better braking than a 2023 Honda civic. I am sure that is good enough for all non-emergency braking needs.

The old Taycan, the regeneratibe braking was good for 290kw. Still good for ~.97g braking on a 5000lb vehicle. More than enough for any non emergency braking needs on the street.

 

[leylandi]

AMG

 

[klier]

Looks yet again like a cheap rental.

Yay.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Looks yet again like a cheap rental.

Yay.

No more or less so than the 2 series grancoupe.
Its just that segment of car.

 

[klier]

No more or less so than the 2 series grancoupe.

Thanks for sharing your opinion on a completely different car.
But a fugly cheap FDW rental it is then, if it's the same as a 2er GC. That thing is ghastly beyond words.

 

[Centurion]

Looks yet again like a cheap rental.

Yay.

It's Mercedes's Jetta.