M3/M4 [Spy Shots] 2014 BMW M3 (Impressions, SpyPhotos, Renderings)

[Betty Swollocks]

And the head of M would lie in an interview months before the car debuts why?

Oh I don't know. Maybe because he works for M and he's promoting his products?

"Lying" is a strong word and I'm not saying he's doing that. BUT, it might be spun a certain way such as "lighter in real terms when you compare it with certain equipment on each car".

I'm not saying it won't be lighter than the 435i (F32). I'm saying I'll wait until the official figures are released.

But unless the M3 has a weight of 1,505kg DIN (1,580kg EU) or less, then Mr M's statement will not be true.

 

[DblPen]

did old 335 weighed more than m3?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

did old 335 weighed more than m3?

No. Here are the weights of the 335i and M3, both E92, to EU standard.

335i = 1,600kg

M3 = 1,655kg

 

[klier]

But the E92 M3 has the 'disadvantage' (in weight at least) of a V8. The F80 won't have that 'problem'.

 

[bimmerjph]

But the E92 M3 has the 'disadvantage' (in weight at least) of a V8. The F80 won't have that 'problem'.

I'm thinking it will be a wash in regards to engine weight. The turbos and all of their required parts will more than make up for two less cylinders.

 

[Zafiro]

They can write in the press release it less weight than 335i but who really knows....

 

[ACE]

Oh I don't know. Maybe because he works for M and he's promoting his products?

"Lying" is a strong word and I'm not saying he's doing that. BUT, it might be spun a certain way such as "lighter in real terms when you compare it with certain equipment on each car".

I'm not saying it won't be lighter than the 435i (F32). I'm saying I'll wait until the official figures are released.

But unless the M3 has a weight of 1,505kg DIN (1,580kg EU) or less, then Mr M's statement will not be true.

I think I agree with what you are saying if you meant the M4 (F82 Not M3 F80?)

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I think I agree with what you are saying if you meant the M4 (F82 Not M3 F80?)

Yeah. I mean the F80 compared with the F30 and the F82 compared with the F32.

 

[aleks_16]

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[klier]

I'm thinking it will be a wash in regards to engine weight. The turbos and all of their required parts will more than make up for two less cylinders.

But the F30 has, just like the F80, a turbo and all that.

Lets see the engine weights:

S54: 217 kg (E46 M3, I6 NA)
S65: 202 kg (E90 M3 V8, NA)

N52: 148 kg (I6 NA)
N54: 195 kg (I6 twin turbo)

N55: (I6 single turbo) I'm not entirely sure, I believe it's like 5 kg lighter than the N54
So both N54 and N55 are lighter than S65. And if there's any kind of cutting edge lightweight material in the S55, it'll be lighter than all of them, closing in on the NA N52 (and N52's highest hp rating is 272 hp, in comparison to roughly 450 hp for the new M3)

And the bonus round, S85: 240 kg (E60 M5 V10, NA)

They can write in the press release it less weight than 335i but who really knows....

You can have a 1080p tv because the box says so but who really knows???
I mean, did you count the pixels??

Seriously. Better believe it if it's in the press release.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

The sound is very "meh".

 

[ACE]

The sound is very "meh".

But you haven't heard it through the speakers yet!

 

[klier]

But you haven't heard it through the speakers yet!

Actually, only through his speakers. His computer speakers. Not directly from the car at all. Probably his fancy Retina MacBook (laptops are known to have crappy speakers)

No. Here are the weights of the 335i and M3, both E92, to EU standard.

335i = 1,600kg

M3 = 1,655kg

And E46 M3 is rated at 1549 kg.

And since we have had rumours of F80 weighing around E46 M3, the final weight might be between 1549 kg and 1600 kg.
And that would be extremely awesome if true. Back to lightweight. Glorious and long overdue.

 

[ACE]

Actually, only through his speakers. His computer speakers. Not directly from the car at all. Probably his fancy Retina MacBook (laptops are known to have crappy speakers)

You know what I meant. BMW Active Sound Design through the M3's own speakers.

 

[klier]

Clearly, but I took advantage of your post to make my point

 

[Betty Swollocks]

And E46 M3 is rated at 1549 kg.

And since we have had rumours of F80 weighing around E46 M3, the final weight might be between 1549 kg and 1600 kg.
And that would be extremely awesome if true. Back to lightweight. Glorious and long overdue.

Read that on Wikipedia did you?

The weight of the E46 M3 to EU standard is 1,570kg.

Rumours are likely just from the same source as all the other info and this interview with the M boss. They don't mean anything until official specs are released. I'm not saying you're not right Klier. Maybe you are. But best wait until official info is released otherwise people may be disappointed. BMW are as guilty of spin as anybody else.

History suggests weight will stay the same at best. Yeah, I know, there is likely to be more lightweight materials on the new M3 but the F10 M5 is heavier than the 550i.

 

[klier]

Read that on Wikipedia did you?

The weight of the E46 M3 to EU standard is 1,570kg.

Could be. 1570 kg does sound more familiar indeed. So M4 weighing between 1570 and 1600 kg narrows it down even further.

Rumours are likely just from the same source as all the other info and this interview with the M boss. They don't mean anything until official specs are released. I'm not saying you're not right Klier. Maybe you are. But best wait until official info is released otherwise people may be disappointed. BMW are as guilty of spin as anybody else.

I'm not saying I am right, either. I am speculating, you know, what people on forums tend to do when a new car is about to hit and no hard specs exist yet?

History suggests weight will stay the same at best. Yeah, I know, there is likely to be more lightweight materials on the new M3 but the F10 M5 is heavier than the 550i.

History means very little to nothing. New technology/machines/materials can pop up that change decade old habits radically. Several times have I read about severe weight loss for the M3. Weight savings are a focus. CF becomes cheaper. The press is even complaing about heavy M cars these days.
Surely you must have caught a piece like that from the rumor mill as well? Or are you suggesting I am making these things up to make BMW look good or something ridiculous like that?

And F10 is a different platform and is best kept out of this discussion because it adds nothing.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Several times have I read about severe weight loss for the M3. Surely you must have caught a piece like that from the rumor mill as well?

Yes, of course. But often these rumours flit between forums and get repeated by internet car news sites, and just snowball, despite there being only one source. They gain momentum and then the original source starts quoting other sites which are only repeating the original source in the first place.

Or are you suggesting I am making these things up to make BMW look good or something ridiculous like that?

No, not at all.

The power is claimed to be 415hp from reliable sources, so there would have to be a significant weight drop because I can't see BMW releasing an M3/M4 with the same power/weight ratio as the E90/E92.

F10 is a different platform and is best kept out of this discussion because it adds nothing.

It does add something when you realise the M5 is heavier than the 550i, both with twin-turbo V8s, so there would have to be a significant amount of weight saving on the M3 if both the x35i and M3/M4 are going to have similar engines and the M3/M4 is going to be lighter. If the M6 at BMW's most expensive car doesn't have clever weight saving, I fail to see what the M3/M4 will have at a much lower price.

 

[klier]

Yes, of course. But often these rumours flit between forums and get repeated by internet car news sites, and just snowball, despite there being only one source.

Often yes. But you're even questioning a pretty clear source, the head of BMW M.

The power is claimed to be 415hp from reliable sources

Now you're doing it yourself But surely your reliable sources are more reliable than Herr Nitschke

It does add something when you realise the M5 is heavier than the 550i, both with twin-turbo V8s, so there would have to be a significant amount of weight saving on the M3 if both the x35i and M3/M4 are going to have similar engines and the M3/M4 is going to be lighter. If the M6 at BMW's most expensive car doesn't have clever weight saving, I fail to see what the M3/M4 will have at a much lower price.

Isn't the M5 more or less a 5er with ADDED stuff?
The M5 doesn't come with carbon roof and trunk, alu hood and alu/CF/magnesium crash zones AFAIK.
M3 screams 'bespoke', unlike M5.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Well, we'll see when the M3/M4 is official.