M3/M4 [Spy Shots] BMW M3 & M4 (G80/G82/G83)

[dalab]

I'll agree that "GTS" doesn't invoke the same feelings among BMW fans as "CSL" probably does, but ultimately the GTS cars haven't been that different in terms of what they did to what either of the CSL's did, and arguably, these days... the "L" in CSL is likely to draw ire from fans unless they can make big weight savings from what is likely to be a heavy-ish car.

If they get 200kg off the weight of the standard M versions, including making some changes to the engine/drive train, I'd be very impressed, I'm thinking that would require GT4 race car levels of sparseness to the interior.

Totally agree, it has become more and more difficult for them to put the "L" back, in fact never again after the e46, that's why my weight utopia, the e46 CSL weighed 110 kg less than the normal one and only had small attachments in CFRP, today the only way I can think of is what some bodybuilders do to make the entire body in that material, obviously in BMW they know it and can do it, but it must be a matter of costs, but how much does it cost to be a legend

 

[savage-It]

 

[SCOTT27]

The Meltdown begins Sept.24.

 

[martinbo]

The abandonment of rationale began months ago...

 

[Mii]

Prediction on G80 M3/M4?
- 2.8s ~ 3.0s 0-60 mph (e.g. X3M CP @ 3.3s with C&D test, F80 M3/M4 CP @ 3.8s with official figure)
- CFRP Drive Shaft similar to F80 M3/M4
- More CFRP parts (Need more weight reduction)

What's your prediction?

 

[nikola1984]

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[manuelf]

Prediction on G80 M3/M4?
- 2.8s ~ 3.0s 0-60 mph (e.g. X3M CP @ 3.3s with C&D test, F80 M3/M4 CP @ 3.8s with official figure)
- CFRP Drive Shaft similar to F80 M3/M4
- More CFRP parts (Need more weight reduction)

What's your prediction?

They removed the CFRP drive shaft end of 2017 from the F8x due to the OPF introduction (they had a packaging problem back then as the CFRP shaft was thicker than a steel version).
First reports said that there is NO carbon strut brace in the engine bay of the G8x anymore (like in the F8x) but a steel one! So I fear, that weight reduction might not have been a major target for the G8x? We will have to wait for the first RWD G8x on the scales ... to compare it with the F8x.

 

[dalab]

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They are all there
Nice to see the 2 series, I like the stance, I don't know if it is due to false panels but it anticipates something good
What a beautiful car is the Vantage, I do not understand why it is not sold so much, it will be very expensive perhaps .....
The black wheels are horrible on the Alpina 8GC, beyond that it is a prototype

Prediction on G80 M3/M4?
- 2.8s ~ 3.0s 0-60 mph

I like that optimism, but .....

 

[Mii]

They removed the CFRP drive shaft end of 2017 from the F8x due to the OPF introduction (they had a packaging problem back then as the CFRP shaft was thicker than a steel version).
First reports said that there is NO carbon strut brace in the engine bay of the G8x anymore (like in the F8x) but a steel one! So I fear, that weight reduction might not have been a major target for the G8x? We will have to wait for the first RWD G8x on the scales ... to compare it with the F8x.

That's too bad if BMW does not figure out a stronger/thinner CFRP option. The whole point of moving to CFRP is reducing rotating mass, increase stiffness, and ultimately better acceleration and responsiveness. That's 0.1s there when BMW silently updated the official 3.8s to 3.9s figure after moving to steel shaft. Moving to steel strut brace is a step backward. Early F8x photo also showed steel strut brace, hoping to see more of the followings on G8x:

F8x CFRP:

Source: f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923444

 

[Mii]

I like that optimism, but .....

Hopefully BMW makes this optimism into reality. It maybe achievable if BMW optimizes its launch control similar to the P-car, reduce more weight.

M Series 0-60 Number (stock)
E36: 5.7s
E46: 4.8s
E9x: 4.3s
F8x: 3.8s
G8x: (?)

 

[dalab]

E36: 5.7s

When the e36 M3 won Car of the Year for Car and Driver, on the cover it said 5.4

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

When the e36 M3 won Car of the Year for Car and Driver, on the cover it said 5.4

E36 had two versions in Europe: 92-95 with 286 ps and 6 s to 100 kmh and 95-98 with 321 ps and 5,5 s to 100. In the USA there was a restricted version with something like 240 ps.

 

[dalab]

E36 had two versions in Europe: 92-95 with 286 ps and 6 s to 100 kmh and 95-98 with 321 ps and 5,5 s to 100. In the USA there was a restricted version with something like 240 ps.

Correct and it was just surprising that the restricted version got that chrono, it was not 5.4. It was 5.6, I was wrong but still very good, it is anecdotal what it says about the European versions

1995 Car and Driver QUOTE:

"It’s a 3.0-liter with 240 horsepower and 225 pound-feet of torque at its disposal"
"Wait until they hear about the way in which the car dashes off easily repeatable 0-to-60 sprints in 5.6 seconds. That's half a second quicker than the company claims for the car. Better yet, it's 0.4 second faster than BMW's claim for the European car. In fact, this car feels so good that comparisons with the Euro car become odious after just a few hours behind the wheel. Not least because the U.S. car is an authentic M-division product, sharing the other M3's unique accouterments."

 

[bmwblog]

More than just M-Performance parts IMO.

Maybe the spoiler will be optional, but the exhaust system and rear bumper designate a whole new variant.

Kudos to BMW for differentiating model variants, I don’t see what the fuss is about. Alfa switched their exhausts for the GTA which look good.

Take for example the GT 4 door range. 4 different model variants with only really visually different exhaust shapes. GT 73 looks very very similar also...

These are M Performance Parts

 

[manuelf]

Someone on the other forum, who was at a closed room preview, mentioned, that the G8x will come with a configurable traction control.I expect something like with the AMG GT ...
Nice, if it is true.

 

[Centurion]

Someone on the other forum, who was at a closed room preview, mentioned, that the G8x will come with a configurable traction control.I expect something like with the AMG GT ...
Nice, if it is true.

Great news. I hope it there will be a traction control mode for wet roads.

 

[Mii]

Isle of Man Green?

Looks like no grilles border, just pure bevel edge opening as part of bumper.

Source: bmwblog.com/2020/09/18/g80-bmw-m3-lookin-green

 

[klier]

Can't wait to see it and read the tech parts!

 

[dalab]

This grill satisfies me more than in the normal 4, although that one does not displease me, this integration of the M3/4 with that depth and without borders changes everything.

The lever knob is exactly the same as always, great, the only one of the thousands of pieces that never changed in the last 30 years, it must be a record of some kind

 

[azeez samara]