M3/M4 [Spy Shots] BMW G82 M4 CSL (or CS, or GTS?)

[Centurion]

M4 CSL?

 

[dalab]

M4 CSL?

In order of arrival it should be the CS rather?

 

[hovabongZA]

Probably a CS , I foresee if a CSL is coming it will be for the LCI.

 

[dalab]

Probably a CS , I foresee if a CSL is coming it will be for the LCI.

The raised rear type M3 CSL / 8GC is tailor-made for the M4

 

[dalab]

 

[Big Sam]

* New M3 CSL will be in production between July 2022 and February 2023.
* 540hp
* RWD
* Automatic transmission
* New 19"/20" rims with your choice of regular sport tyres or track focused tyres
* M bucket seats standard, with upgraded racing bucket seats optional
* New M headlights as an option
* Carbon bits
* Alcantara steering wheel


Wonder what the "M Headlights" will be? Maybe yellow DRLs like on the M5 CS? I imagine it will have OLED rear lights too.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

* New M3 CSL will be in production between July 2022 and February 2023.
* 540hp
* RWD
* Automatic transmission
* New 19"/20" rims with your choice of regular sport tyres or track focused tyres
* M bucket seats standard, with upgraded racing bucket seats optional
* New M headlights as an option
* Carbon bits
* Alcantara steering wheel


Wonder what the "M Headlights" will be? Maybe yellow DRLs like on the M5 CS? I imagine it will have OLED rear lights too.

Any info on weight reduction?

 

[Big Sam]

Any info on weight reduction?

Unfortunately not.

A few bits of extra info.

The M headlights will be standard on the M3, and optional for the M4, which seems odd.


The M3 CS will be in production from July 2023 to February 2024, and will have the Steptronic auto, standard bucket seats, and lots of carbon.

 

[Frankie G]

* New M3 CSL will be in production between July 2022 and February 2023.
* 540hp
* RWD
* Automatic transmission
* New 19"/20" rims with your choice of regular sport tyres or track focused tyres
* M bucket seats standard, with upgraded racing bucket seats optional
* New M headlights as an option
* Carbon bits
* Alcantara steering wheel


Wonder what the "M Headlights" will be? Maybe yellow DRLs like on the M5 CS? I imagine it will have OLED rear lights too.

I'm a little confused. Are you referring to the M4 CSL only or will there be both an M4 CSL and M3 CSL? Quite strange to have the latter unless BMW M want to capture part of the (miniscule) market currently occupied by the Jaguar xe SV Project 8.

 

[hovabongZA]

If it comes in at less than 1600kg I think that would be a good achievements.

 

[Frankie G]

Straight line speed isn't everything but we will likely see an M xDrive equiped M4 Competition out-dragging a RWD M4 CSL to the quarter mile. To be honest, it doesn't really matter and most if not all customers won't really care. The CSL should feel more special.

 

[Big Sam]

I'm a little confused. Are you referring to the M4 CSL only or will there be both an M4 CSL and M3 CSL? Quite strange to have the latter unless BMW M want to capture part of the (miniscule) market currently occupied by the Jaguar xe SV Project 8.

Sorry, when I wrote "M3 CSL" I should have written "M4 CSL". Force of habit as "M3" and "CSL" just go hand-in-hand.

The M Headlights will be standard on the M3 CS, and optional on the M4 CSL.

 

[Big Sam]

If it comes in at less than 1600kg I think that would be a good achievements.

It's not going to come close to being below 1,600kg, so of course it would be a good achievement. That would require over 200kg of weight loss, which isn't going to happen.

 

[dalab]

 

[dalab]

Pure royalty and that branding (it already comes with another format of the famous split headlights, Citroen, Hyundai, take note)

 

[manuelf]

It's not going to come close to being below 1,600kg, so of course it would be a good achievement. That would require over 200kg of weight loss, which isn't going to happen.

Nope. There are G8x Competition (with ZF8hp) equipped with track pack (CCB and carbon buckets), which weigh slightly over 1700kg (no driver, full tank). So coming close to 1600kg would mean a weight loss of 100kg.
No: I don't think, that they manage to shave off 100kg. I expect them to get the weight down by approx. 50kg.

 

[klier]

Nope. There are G8x Competition (with ZF8hp) equipped with track pack (CCB and carbon buckets), which weigh slightly over 1700kg (no driver, full tank). So coming close to 1600kg would mean a weight loss of 100kg.
No: I don't think, that they manage to shave off 100kg. I expect them to get the weight down by approx. 50kg.

Maybe they'll manage -100 kg if it's really going to be a CSL. CSL is an entirely different breed from a normal M or even Competition/CS. There's lot's and lots of luxury that can be thrown out.

 

[manuelf]

Maybe they'll manage -100 kg if it's really going to be a CSL. CSL is an entirely different breed from a normal M or even Competition/CS. There's lot's and lots of luxury that can be thrown out.

Hm. roughly:
- Removal of sound-deadening: -15 kg
- cfrp front lid: - 6 kg
- cfrp boot lid: - 6 kg
- no/reduced rear seats: - 20 kg
- lighter rims: - 8 kg
- further interieur strip down (arm rest remove, even lighter bucket seat with manual adjust.): - 5 kg

On the other hand, a CSL will have:
- added aero
- added cooling
- maybe a half cage
which adds weight again!

So a net reduction of 100kg is really challenging!

And don't make the mistake to take the weight reduction done for the E46 M3 CSL as reference! The vanilla E46 M3 was fu..ing heavy! So it was easy to get lots of weight out! A current G8x is already massively weight optimized.

 

[dalab]

cfrp front lid: - 6 kg
- cfrp boot lid: - 6 kg

When they talked about the CSL returning to all or varioa M, I said to myself, according to what the CS already are, the only formula that remains in this context is that basically all the chassis and / or bodywork or several new parts are CFRP or at least add to what you say, the front and rear fenders.

The M5 is CS and is less 70kg. I know that the M4 CSL should fill the shoes of the previous one so why not go with everything

 

[LaArtist]

Oh csl Im interested in a bmw for the first time in decades.. now as always with bmw
I’ll believe it when I see it.
poor bmw fans have been hoping for all kinds of shit for years and always get let down.