M5 [Official] The BMW Concept M5

[Centurion]

The E60 M5, E46 M3 and even the E92 M3 all look best sitting on multi-spoke rims and the same applies to the F01 with M-package. What we see here are 5 spokes rims alike those on the M6. I've never really liked them. Although I'm not overwhelmed by the M5 Concept I do believe the appearance will be uplifted once the car is kitted with proper rims.

 

[Zafiro]

New M5 kinda remind me of M5 E39. Also understated and not in your face like M5 E60. And everybody seem to love M5 E39

 

[bmer]

The concept looks just as good as I hoped it would! The appearance will be further improved by the small details they're still going to add as a finishing touch before it goes to production.

For those who think the exterior changes are too little, I would say this is an M5 we're talking about. It's an executive sedan, so considering the clientele the design can't be too loud. M-cars have traditionally featured very subtle changes compared to the regular car. The M3 is design-wise still relatively conservative and the M5 has to be even more so.

I stood in the back with some of the other "suits" took my pictures and left but it sure was worth seeing your smirks to the music BMW chose to introduce the M5 series (especially Horatio B's) - M does not just stand for Motorsport but also Masturbation...

I hope you're not referring to "Cher - Believe" which can be heard playing in the background on one of M5Board's videos...

 

[Michael]

New M5 kinda remind me of M5 E39. Also understated and not in your face like M5 E60. And everybody seem to love M5 E39

I am not sure I agree with you. For starters, I was going to bring this up earlier with pictures but I decided not to. Now that you have provided pictures, I am going to go ahead and elaborate on what I wanted to say.

The e39 M5 was undeniably beautiful and you could distinguish it immediately from the regular 5er, at least that was the case with me. There are certain things about the lines and the way they mesh with the car that make it look different. For example, if you take a look at the unpainted door protectors (or whatever you call them) on the doors. The regular nicer 5er did not have that since they were painted. In addition to that, the front and back you can immediately tell it is an M5 and it is different from the rest of the BMW line up.

If you look at the current M5 concept, is it easily distinguishable from the regular 5er? I don't think so. Of course, I preface my view and argument on the fact that the E39 is easily identifiable as an M and not a regular BMW line car. You, however, are saying the complete opposite. I think the new M5 has quieted down a bit with respect to aggressiveness and design.

 

[Bartek S.]

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Chop with different wheels.

 

[LaArtist]

CSL rimms look nutts

 

[Sunny]

I am not sure I agree with you. For starters, I was going to bring this up earlier with pictures but I decided not to. Now that you have provided pictures, I am going to go ahead and elaborate on what I wanted to say.

The e39 M5 was undeniably beautiful and you could distinguish it immediately from the regular 5er, at least that was the case with me. There are certain things about the lines and the way they mesh with the car that make it look different. For example, if you take a look at the unpainted door protectors (or whatever you call them) on the doors. The regular nicer 5er did not have that since they were painted. In addition to that, the front and back you can immediately tell it is an M5 and it is different from the rest of the BMW line up.

If you look at the current M5 concept, is it easily distinguishable from the regular 5er? I don't think so. Of course, I preface my view and argument on the fact that the E39 is easily identifiable as an M and not a regular BMW line car. You, however, are saying the complete opposite. I think the new M5 has quieted down a bit with respect to aggressiveness and design.

I guess you haven't seen the E39 M sport?

I think, of all the M5s till now, F10 looks most different from the vanilla versions and most aggressive too - a factor of the biggest air intakes ever on an M5 and more pronounced rear diffuser. Of course under the hood E60 is the most different.

 

[K-A]

I am not sure I agree with you. For starters, I was going to bring this up earlier with pictures but I decided not to. Now that you have provided pictures, I am going to go ahead and elaborate on what I wanted to say.

The e39 M5 was undeniably beautiful and you could distinguish it immediately from the regular 5er, at least that was the case with me. There are certain things about the lines and the way they mesh with the car that make it look different. For example, if you take a look at the unpainted door protectors (or whatever you call them) on the doors. The regular nicer 5er did not have that since they were painted. In addition to that, the front and back you can immediately tell it is an M5 and it is different from the rest of the BMW line up.

If you look at the current M5 concept, is it easily distinguishable from the regular 5er? I don't think so. Of course, I preface my view and argument on the fact that the E39 is easily identifiable as an M and not a regular BMW line car. You, however, are saying the complete opposite. I think the new M5 has quieted down a bit with respect to aggressiveness and design.

Very much agreed. Understated and conservative/not trying hard is GREAT, and I wouldn't expect anything less. However, there's a certain "It" factor about nailing it when it comes to these things, and the E39 had it, it was so understated yet still instantly special, and the E60 was a bad design to me from the get-go, so the M5 was the only way the car looked in any way complete to me. The F10 looks great on its own, and it looks great as an M5, but I can't say I think the F10 M5 has the presence (YET) and the effortless sense of understated "I'm special" like the previous M's. Again, I think it's the F10's body that just doesn't "fit" with an aggressive M look, be it as subtle as they may be.

It does already look WAAAAY better and more appropriate with the real wheels though. M-B and BMW have to stop looking foolish with incorporating "me-too" black wheels on their performance models.... Leave that to the aftermarket fans.

 

[Zafiro]

The front really got attitude and in your face look. Moreso than M5 E39 that looks pretty tame today. I say M5 E60 and M5 F10 looks bad ass directly from the front. Move over or I hunt you down attitude.

 

[bmer]

And here's M5 Concept vs. 5-series M package (Touring):

 

[Michael]

When you put all the pictures side by side the way you have done, it really shows how far and how astray the M5 has gone.

It was going in one direction, then it leaped into one direction and now it seems they are bringing it back in line with the E39.

 

[Michael]

I guess you haven't seen the E39 M sport?

I think, of all the M5s till now, F10 looks most different from the vanilla versions and most aggressive too - a factor of the biggest air intakes ever on an M5 and more pronounced rear diffuser. Of course under the hood E60 is the most different.

I have, but you need to understand that the M package being introduced on a 5er for the first time occurred with the E39. It was at the end of the life cycle for the 5er. For the most part, there was only a 5er and an M5 but there was no M sport package until the end. I am sure you can ask anyone on here who remembers, they remember the differentiation between the basic and the M up until the introduction of the M sport pack.

BMW has now instituted the M sport pack like Mercedes has done with their AMG sport packs.

 

[Sunny]

I have, but you need to understand that the M package being introduced on a 5er for the first time occurred with the E39.

No, there was a E34 540i M sport too.

I am sorry, I think people are just sprouting arbitrary stuff when they say "oh, it doesn't look different enough compared to previous versions". Visually, the only significant differences between M5s and the their lesser brethren have been front bumper, rear bumper, wheels, side view mirror and the side vent (starting from E60) - everything else is pretty much the same. And the F10 checks all those boxes (except of course side view mirror which will come in production version). If anything the front and rear bumpers are even more different from M sport versions than before. So unless you can exactly enumerate what is not different enough this time around, you arguments sound vague and arbitrary to me.

 

[Merc1]

I don't see the that fuss is about really. The M5 was never a shouty car like past AMGs isn't it supposed to be subtle? I doubt you will confuse it with a regular 5 when you see it on the road.

I quite like it. Now bring on the M6.


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[Michael]

I think people are just sprouting arbitrary stuff when they say "oh, it doesn't look different enough". The only significant differences between M5s and the their lesser brethren have been front bumper, rear bumper, wheels, side view mirror and the side vent (starting from E60) - everything else is pretty much the same. And the F10 checks all those boxes (except of course side view mirror which will come in production version). If anything the front and rear bumpers are even more different from M sport versions than before. So yea, imo, it is just bs when people say it is not diffrent enough.

First off, I am simply stating my opinion so don't go and say that is "bs when people say it is not different enough", because I am in that category of people. Second, the similarities between the M5 concept and the 5er M sport pack are pretty similar. Side by side there are subtle differences, but to a regular person, they look nearly identical.

 

[bmer]

I agree with Sunny. I too think the F10 M5's front end is the most aggressive one we've seen. So is the F10 M-package but the extent of difference between M5 and M-package is pretty much the same as with E39 and E60.

 

[K-A]

Wow, the front does look a lot better than the standard M-Pack. For some reason I forgot that the M-Pack has the air dam bars going inward (which actually is the classic M shape), as opposed to the newer outward shape (like a faux AMG ).

It also has less of that cheesy and mismatched "Darth Vader" angular look from the M-Pack bumper.

 

[Sunny]

First off, I am simply stating my opinion so don't go and say that is "bs when people say it is not different enough", because I am in that category of people. Second, the similarities between the M5 concept and the 5er M sport pack are pretty similar. Side by side there are subtle differences, but to a regular person, they look nearly identical.

Well, if you like an euphemism for "bs" instead, sure, I had already changed my post to say that. And no one, at least not me, said it was not similar to M sport, but you also claimed it is less different this time around compared to previous M5s vs M sport, which is not the case.

 

[Zafiro]

Design is definitely growing on me. At least the front is the best M5 I've ever seen, moreso than previous M5.

Imagine the new M5 in LeMansblue or Red. Different wheels, new sidemirrors and Full-LED lights like the 6-series.

The mystery is still how the car is to drive.

 

[Michael]

No, there was a E34 540i M sport too.

I am sorry, I think people are just sprouting arbitrary stuff when they say "oh, it doesn't look different enough compared to previous versions". Visually, the only significant differences between M5s and the their lesser brethren have been front bumper, rear bumper, wheels, side view mirror and the side vent (starting from E60) - everything else is pretty much the same. And the F10 checks all those boxes (except of course side view mirror which will come in production version). If anything the front and rear bumpers are even more different from M sport versions than before. So unless you can exactly enumerate what is not different enough this time around, you arguments sound vague and arbitrary to me.

Vague argument? A vague argument would be me saying it is ugly or it is not sporty enough, i.e., a statement posited as an argument without substantiating the claim being made. I have already given my reasons why I feel the way I feel about this car. I have said that I, not you nor anyone else, don't think this M5 cuts it for me because it doesn't look substantially different to a 5er with the M sport pack. My argument and thought process is based on the premise that M should make the car incredibly sporty and not have the car be so subtle. However, and once again, that is just my take on the matter.

Let me add a few more things: I think I know now why I think this car is so bland. What I expected from M was a very aggressive car and not a sleeper type of car. I didn't expect a car that would have subtle changes to it but be a monster underneath. I was thinking of AMG and how aggressive looking the AMGs are when compared to the other regular MB line up. Nevertheless, this is BMW we are talking about and they have a different philosophy and perhaps they do not share my sentiment that the M version of their car should be incredibly sporty and aggressive and mean. Then again, that is my opinion of the 5er. The 5er is a luxury sport sedan and perhaps needs to have a subtle change in style when it comes to the M5. However, I personally love the M3 and think it looks very aggressive even when compared to the M sport pack offered on the coupe (and sedan, I forget).

Finally, maybe the car would have a different impression on me. Maybe it is the black rims that BMW decided to use for the concept, instead of the other rims photo chopped onto the car earlier.

Well, if you like an euphemism for "bs" instead, sure, I had already changed my post to say that. And no one, at least not me, said it was not similar to M sport, but you also claimed it is less different this time around compared to previous M5s vs M sport, which is not the case.

Yes, I saw that. Thank you.

If you are going to say that the front bumper is the most aggressive ever made, fine. You are right. I am sure most people, even myself, would agree with you. But how much more aggressive than previous cars? How much more aggressive than the present M sport pack? Marginal? I think it is marginal and it is not that much.


I did not know that previous 5ers had M sport packs available. So, I stand corrected in saying that the first 5er to have M sport pack option introduced was the E39.