M5 [Official] The BMW Concept M5

[Sunny]

Vague argument? A vague argument would be me saying it is ugly or it is not sporty enough, i.e., a statement posited as an argument without substantiating the claim being made. I have already given my reasons why I feel the way I feel about this car. I have said that I, not you nor anyone else, don't think this M5 cuts it for me because it doesn't look substantially different to a 5er with the M sport pack. My argument and thought process is based on the premise that M should make the car incredibly sporty and not have the car be so subtle. However, and once again, that is just my take on the matter.

I have absolutely no problem with you feeling M5 is not aggressive enough or too similar to M sport. Those are your subjective opinions. What I took exception to, is your argument it is less different than previous M5s were compared to the M sport of that time.

When you say object A is not different enough from B, that is subjective cause no one has defined how much difference is "different enough". But when you say A is not as different from B as C is from D, then you quantified the "difference" and it is not subjective any more. I hope you get where I am coming from... but anyway, I am making it too pedantic, so to each his own...and my apologies if I was too abrasive before

 

[Michael]

I have absolutely no problem with you feeling M5 is not aggressive enough or too similar to M sport. Those are your subjective opinions. What I took exception to, is your argument it is less different than previous M5s were compared to the M sport of that time.

When you say object A is not different enough from B, that is subjective cause no one has defined how much difference is "different enough". But when you say A is not as different from B as C is from D, then you quantified the "difference" and it is not subjective any more. I hope you get where I am coming from... but anyway, I am making it too pedantic, so to each his own...

I don't agree with what you are saying. To quantify something is to give it some sort of rubric by which we can all understand and measure. So, in your example, I can continue to say that the difference between A and B is not the same difference between C and D. In the end it is a matter of taste and some people view things in certain lights because of the way they see things.

Getting back to what I was saying earlier, I just wish they would have made this M5 more aggressive. I get what you are saying that the M5 is supposed to be subtle, and they may have accomplished that, but look at the M3 coupe. When you see it out on the street, can't you differentiate it more form a regular 3er coupe than, lets say, a 5er and an M5 or do you disagree with that statement?

One more thing to note, I think the lack of rims in the picture and the missing mirrors may have an effect on me. I am not the only one that has said this car looks bland. Just_me had seen it before many of us had seen the car and he said that it looks just like a 5er M sport pack. So, to you, I ask this, doesn't it look like a 5er M Sport pack or do you think it looks substantially different?

No apologies necessary. This is a perfect example of two people discussing something and just trying to understand what we both were saying.

 

[Kowalski]

I think it looks great. Very imposing yet subtle. Just like what an M5 should look like.

 

[Sunny]

When you see it out on the street, can you differentiate it more form a regular 3er coupe than, lets say, a 5er and an M5 or do you disagree with that statement?

Well, I haven't seen the new M5 on road, but knowing me, I doubt I will have any trouble differentiating either. Where as I have mistaken E39 M sport from front with E39 M5 since many of the owners remove the horizontal bar in the central intake and with out that, it is literally the same.

So, to you, I ask this, doesn't it look like a 5er M Sport pack or do you think it looks substantially different?

I think it looks more different from F10 M sport than E60 M5 did from E60 M sport or E39 M5 did from E39 M sport or E34 M5 did from E34 M sport.

 

[Top Secret]

When you put all the pictures side by side the way you have done, it really shows how far and how astray the M5 has gone.

It was going in one direction, then it leaped into one direction and now it seems they are bringing it back in line with the E39.

You could say the same about the E60 in general. An anomaly in the 5 Series' evolution.

As for the M5, I really like it. It's definitely not as ballsy as the E60 M5 but not as anonymous as the E39 M5. Perfect balance. The drivetrain is a totally different story though...

 

[Merc1]

I can see it on the road already.


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[ateekt]

So finally its official. No doubt, she looks great & sounds very promising! Can't wait to see her trashing the competition!!

Tests, reviews, comparos... Bring em' on!! Imo, the best part of all is, it looks more like the balanced E39 & less like rather big E60!!

 

[martinbo]

The F10M's front bumper styling is certainly more of a departure from lesser models than it ever was and now aligns itself with the treatment first seen on the E92 M3. The move from inwardly tapering bumper spars (as seen on many previous M models) to outwardly splayed ones is now a familiar sight. The graphic is designed to evoke association with a Formula One car type front wing supported by the struts emerging from the nose cone.

To my best recollection the car that started this was the MercMac SLR and a number of subsequent AMG cars featured these outwardly spread spars in the front bumber.

Whilst the difference seems minimal in pictures when seen on the road the frontal DRG of an M car is made much more aggressive through the use of this styling feature.

So, in terms of the visual, this new F10M is more different from lesser models than its predecessors were.

Edit:

Oh and these look like six pot callipers - a departure from the floating caliper arrangement - anyone have any info/hear any talk on this?

 

[Zafiro]

Oh and these look like six pot callipers - a departure from the floating caliper arrangement - anyone have any info/hear any talk on this?

Ceramic brakes, coming as an extra option?

 

[klier]

^ Maybe. Scott was talking about them YEARS ago, so maybe it's finally time...

Also, bigger better brakes are probably needed because the car will be much heavier than E60 M5..

I think it looks more different from F10 M sport than E60 M5 did from E60 M sport or E39 M5 did from E39 M sport or E34 M5 did from E34 M sport.

You don't have to think it; it's a fact.

 

[SKY]

But what are you guys proud of?. Your are completly blinded by your fanatism sometimes. Audi, BMW and Mercedes have been designing different sport pack to their performance cars since a few years. What do you expect, an M5 lookin g exactly the same as a 520d M? Cause it was the case with the E39 generation, when the only difference between a 520d M and an M5 was the number of pipes in the rear bumper.

Same case with MB. The pre-LCI W221 S-Class with the AMG pack looked exactly the same than the AMG variants, except for the number of pipes. I remember seeing the front end of an AMG S-Class and not knowing if it was and AMG sport of a real AMG until I hear the engine sound of look at the numer of pipes.

I just wish this new M5 has in the production version a new hood, as the E92 M3, and side skirts, because this M5 has the very same side skirts than a standard F10.

PD: Stil can´t understand why BMW doesn´t show the production mirrors on the concept, nor the interior.

 

[klier]

What on earth are you talking about with 'being proud of'?
I am proud of nothing, just really dig the design. And I agree with every single word Sunny has said so far.

Also, what is there not to understand about not releasing performance number, side skirts, interior and mirrors? I mean seriously, what would they have left to talk about for the production version introduction?
It's been like this for ages, concept with minor differences first, the whole thing a bit later. Why are people b!tching about this all of a sudden?

 

[south]

South, you have seen the M5 Concept in person. What is your personal opinion about the design?

I love it, there's not a single part or angle I don't like about the design of the new M5. It sports a bit more subtle look than the E9x M3 models, and I think that's the right decision. For example, the front bumper is a bit less 'dramatic', the rear bumper is better integrated (IMO, the rear bumper of the E92 M3 is OK but the weakest part of its design to me), the exhaust pipes are a bit less extruded.

All in all, it's like I would an M5 expect and want to look like. Add the M rear mirrors, M side skirts, paint it in Monte Carlo Blue with these wheels but in gunmetal or silver, a silver interior, and it's the car I'd want to have.

BTW did you meet Scott?

Nope, either he wasn't there or didn't want me to meet him.

Oh and these look like six pot callipers - a departure from the floating caliper arrangement - anyone have any info/hear any talk on this?

Unfortunately not, Martin. They were hesitant about pretty much everything not mentioned in the press release.

I just wish this new M5 has in the production version a new hood, as the E92 M3, and side skirts, because this M5 has the very same side skirts than a standard F10.

Spyshots suggest that you'll most certainly see different side skirts. As to the hood, I think it would be a terrible idea. Not only would such a dramatic hood be a big downside to potential buyers (remember, business people), it's also not necessary. Nothing's as cheesy as a hood bulge that's just there for design reasons.


Best regards,
south

 

[Zafiro]

Rear seem to be wider as well than previous M5

 

[HighestOfHigh]

^Do you have a side profile comparison?

The front and the rear of the new M5 (M5 Concept for not) look fine. It's just the side profile that looks a little bland compared to the previous model.

 

[Zafiro]

^Do you have a side profile comparison?

The front and the rear of the new M5 (M5 Concept for not) look fine. It's just the side profile that looks a little bland compared to the previous model.

New M5 is going to get different sideskirts as well. Im sure of it.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

Yea, it's not too much of a difference. Not bad. I guess we were expecting too much. Should be a winner.

 

[Michael]

Is there a reason why, just like with the previous M5 concept, that the mirrors are developed last? I haven't seen any spy pics showing the mirrors on the car. Why is this seem to be the last thing to be done?

 

[Zafiro]

Is there a reason why, just like with the previous M5 concept, that the mirrors are developed last? I haven't seen any spy pics showing the mirrors on the car. Why is this seem to be the last thing to be done?

Still deciding how they're gonna look like, or not to reveal everything just yet.

 

[Michael]

Still deciding how they're gonna look like, or not to reveal everything just yet.

I have always loved M mirrors. That is, to me, the finishing touch on an M car. I am trying to figure out what M3-like mirrors would look like on the new M5 concept.