7 Series (G70) [Official] New BMW 7-Series / i7 (G70/G71)

[Tuffode]

Nope. Not at all.

It's literally the same thing, you must be joking.

 

[bmwblog]

Contrary to assumption, he is there

Oh, looks like we were there

 

[advantage20]

Same with M-B using amg ?

Double standards, as is it might oftentimes (but not necessarily) be the case with topics where irrationality is at least partially involved, such as religion, politics or brand loyalty.

E.g. let's imagine for a second a hypothetical situation where a forum member goes after and repeatedly public-shames another member for the petty offense of perhaps lying about having insider credentials or a desirable garage (which, even if true, doesn't lead readers to make life-changing decisions they'd later regret). The former may feel morally entitled to all the more vehemently and insistently lead such a white knight crusade if the latter also happens to hold opposing political views, perceived by the former as belonging to an enemy tribe that deserves a fight to the death (real or metaphorical, i.e. digital ban after being snitched on). But of course most of us are rational debaters preferrably using facts and logic for conveying ideas and opinions, so that likely won't ever happen.

at least diesel engines are not called amg

So you're implying that M-B diesels aren't nearly as sporty and refined as their petrol counterparts to deserve the sporty label; well maybe other brands' diesels are? i.e. it doesn't automatically mean that BMW M's bar is set lower.

 

[bmwblog]

Saw it and the XM production version (closed room) at Villa d’este yesterday. Pretty good stuff from BMW. Big, heavy, tech machines is what I’d call them. Interior on point in both, especially, the roof headliner in XM. Interestingly, the 7 LCI will receive same size wheels as XM, 23“.

Interesting description of the car But yes, bold is the right word.

 

[Rolf]

Another model that is not looking at the car. She is saying with a smile, "Ok Mr. S-class I am going home with you tonight"

 

[leylandi]

So you're implying that M-B diesels aren't nearly as sporty and refined as their petrol counterparts to deserve the sporty label; well maybe other brands' diesels are.

Not a diesel powered sports car. It damages the brand identity.

 

[dalab]

Oh, looks like we were there

Touché

 

[advantage20]

Not a diesel powered sports car. It damages the brand identity.

There you go -- you are arguing identity, which is unarguable against, instead of actual power / torque / acceleration figures and overall driving experience. In that case I'll claim that the AMG EQS models definitely damage the AMG identity (which I don't dislike by the way) with their sumo weight and their lack of a burbly ICE engine under the hood, which is what made AMG iconic in the first place. Pointless discussion if we only refer to the spiritual and the ethereal, and not at all to at least a few objective, measurable criteria.

 

[Jacke]

Incoming MB fans:
Why the model is sitting on that ugly face

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Another model that is not looking at the car. She is saying with a smile, "Ok Mr. S-class I am going home with you tonight"

 

[leylandi]

There you go -- you are arguing identity, which is unarguable against, instead of actual power / torque / acceleration figures and overall driving experience. In that case I'll claim that the AMG EQS models definitely damage the AMG identity (which I don't dislike by the way) with their sumo weight and their lack of a burbly ICE engine under the hood, which is what made AMG iconic in the first place. Pointless discussion if we only refer to the spiritual and the ethereal, and not at all to at least a few objective, mesurable criteria.

We are in the electric age. If you don't say no to a Ferrari or 911 with a diesel engine, I'll agree with you.

 

[dalab]

Not a diesel powered sports car. It damages the brand identity.

That was so true, until the 524td debuted and it was the fastest diesel in the world, you are about 40 years out of date in your assertions.

 

[leylandi]

That was so true, until the 524td debuted and it was the fastest diesel in the world, you are about 40 years out of date in your assertions.

It cannot be a diesel-powered sports car. I can't see the M in the beginning of the 524td model!

i will suggest you a W12 TDI...

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Not a diesel powered sports car. It damages the brand identity.

Not at all. The issue with AMG and diesel engine goes back to Mercedes being involved in the diesel-gate. BMW had no such issues which would lead to brand image demages.

 

[Rolf]

So you're implying that M-B diesels aren't nearly as sporty and refined as their petrol counterparts to deserve the sporty label; well maybe other brands' diesels are? i.e. it doesn't automatically mean that BMW M's bar is set lower.

AMG did produce one model with a diesel engine, the C30 CDI AMG with a beefed up 231hp version of its inline 5. It had one of the nicest looking diesel engines ever produced

Displacement grew from 2.7 to 3.0 litres thanks to an increase in stroke, the turbocharger was swapped for a larger unit, and a more efficient air to water intercooler was fitted. The power jumped from 170 to 231bhp, but the torque gains were even more impressive - while the standard engine made do with 370nm, the AMG version had 540nm of twist to play with. The overhauled five-pot diesel sent its power rearwards via a conventional five-speed automatic gearbox.

The CDI AMG’s five-pot had an impressive output for something not fueled by unleaded. It made for a 0-62mph time of 6.8 seconds which, again, was good going 19 years ago.

 

[advantage20]

AMG did produce one model with a diesel engine, the C30 CDI AMG with a beefed up 231hp version of its inline 5. It had one of the nicest looking diesel engines ever produced

Displacement grew from 2.7 to 3.0 litres thanks to an increase in stroke, the turbocharger was swapped for a larger unit, and a more efficient air to water intercooler was fitted. The power jumped from 170 to 231bhp, but the torque gains were even more impressive - while the standard engine made do with 370nm, the AMG version had 540nm of twist to play with. The overhauled five-pot diesel sent its power rearwards via a conventional five-speed automatic gearbox.

The CDI AMG’s five-pot had an impressive output for something not fueled by unleaded. It made for a 0-62mph time of 6.8 seconds which, again, was good going 19 years ago.

That's right, so it definitely deserved the AMG badge.

 

[dalab]

It had one of the nicest looking diesel engines ever produced

A beauty, I had never seen it

 

[dalab]

 

[dalab]

Oh, looks like we were there

How did the i7 do with that "focus group"?

 

[dalab]

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[dalab]

The whole event in the same summarized video, very pleasant

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