Poll RR Ghost II vs MB S-Class W223 - Which is your preferred Luxury Car release
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Autobahn Adventurer
Was the roller ever an option though?
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Ofc not I like to drive my cars wtf is this dinosaur looking ass thing with a price of a house. I ain’t no president or rapper and you ain’t either so get a f#cking grip.Was the roller ever an option though?
Wait till next month or early December and you will see the reviews. It will raise the bar for production cars. Every S-class in the last 50 years has set new standards when it has been launched and this will be no exception.
275others
Autobahn Adventurer
I quoted you, not some guy who’s going to review the car in the two months.I was interested in hearing YOUR take on what constitutes new technologies that are useful.
Its too long to describe here, we have seen all of the new technology in the S-class thread. Some interesting and nice things I saw were the heated door armrests and heated pillows on the headrests. Also the illuminated seatbelt latches, the 4D sound system with speakers built into the seats. The convenience that the S-class can adjust the seats, mirrors and steering wheel automatically based on your height. Also the gesture control to open and close the sunroof. Automatic opening of the rear blinds when the driver turns his head backwards. 3D instrument cluster, its also the only car in the world to have voice activated controls from all 5 seats for sound, ventilation, infotainment etc.
If I'm picking Ghost or S-Class, I'm picking Ghost.
Rationale; I see a lot of Merc's on the road, and the S looks un-inspiringly similar to the rest of them. The same would be true of the Ghost in terms of differentiation, but the simple fact is, you're really much less likely to see a Ghost on the road than an S. And way, way, way less likely to see a Rolls-Royce than a Mercedes saloon.
From an appeal point of view, both are a step backwards from their predecessors in my opinion. Technological terror the S-Class may be, I know what I want from a car, and both fulfill that criteria, what both lack compared to the out going models, would be that desire to turn around and checkout my own ride as I walked away from it. And that's more important to me than tech for tech's sake (excessive dependency on a touch screen is a turn off for me.. simple as that). The 222 is simply a better looking car than the 223, though I prefer the body (and ass) of the new Ghost, the face isn't as pretty as the old one, and I'm more about the face than the body... so neither really work for me.
If I'm simply in the position to pick either, I'm picking neither.
A B7, with more than enough money left over for a driver means I get a truly desirable car (IMHO of course), and the benefit of the truly game changing tech (not having to drive myself if I don't want to) is present, without waiting for tech or legislation to catch up to a hundred year old idea.
Having said that... with somewhat of a unique insight into Rolls-Royce (and Bentley) in the past, whilst those brands will (or at least should) acknowledge that the S-Class is a benchmark in many respects, the simple fact of it is, that I can have a conversation with Rolls-Royce, and if I have the money, I get something very unique - not just the one in 20 million car that modern options lists give everyone - but something truly unique, and to my own tastes, and that's diametrically opposed to an S-class being the car that turns up in a taxi rank to take me to the Brew House (badge of honour that taxi mileage may be not withstanding).
I wish the Ghost was better looking, I don't care if the S is or not. Make of that what you will.
Rationale; I see a lot of Merc's on the road, and the S looks un-inspiringly similar to the rest of them. The same would be true of the Ghost in terms of differentiation, but the simple fact is, you're really much less likely to see a Ghost on the road than an S. And way, way, way less likely to see a Rolls-Royce than a Mercedes saloon.
From an appeal point of view, both are a step backwards from their predecessors in my opinion. Technological terror the S-Class may be, I know what I want from a car, and both fulfill that criteria, what both lack compared to the out going models, would be that desire to turn around and checkout my own ride as I walked away from it. And that's more important to me than tech for tech's sake (excessive dependency on a touch screen is a turn off for me.. simple as that). The 222 is simply a better looking car than the 223, though I prefer the body (and ass) of the new Ghost, the face isn't as pretty as the old one, and I'm more about the face than the body... so neither really work for me.
If I'm simply in the position to pick either, I'm picking neither.
A B7, with more than enough money left over for a driver means I get a truly desirable car (IMHO of course), and the benefit of the truly game changing tech (not having to drive myself if I don't want to) is present, without waiting for tech or legislation to catch up to a hundred year old idea.
Having said that... with somewhat of a unique insight into Rolls-Royce (and Bentley) in the past, whilst those brands will (or at least should) acknowledge that the S-Class is a benchmark in many respects, the simple fact of it is, that I can have a conversation with Rolls-Royce, and if I have the money, I get something very unique - not just the one in 20 million car that modern options lists give everyone - but something truly unique, and to my own tastes, and that's diametrically opposed to an S-class being the car that turns up in a taxi rank to take me to the Brew House (badge of honour that taxi mileage may be not withstanding).
I wish the Ghost was better looking, I don't care if the S is or not. Make of that what you will.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Anybody believing that the S class offers more to its owner than a Rolls should be out of his mind. The Rolls is on another level but only people who can afford it can appreciate the difference and the added value. The Rolls gives more and this people would not content with less. Anyway, if it was up to me such type of cars would never exist.
Da, comrade Crunchski.
275others
Autobahn Adventurer
People look for different things in cars, I can respect that. For me personally connectivity is at the very bottom of the list therefore things such as sharing content from one screen to another or ordering food via the giant tablet in the middle of car are completely irrelevant. I have no use for gesture controls either and much rather interact with with the car by pressing a button or turning a dial. Or using a touchscreen for that matter.
Heated armrests be it in the center console or in the door is not a new technology. The automatic opening of the blinds seems like a complete gimmick to me and I’m very wary of having cameras inside the car monitoring me, same thing goes for mics. The illuminated seatbelt latches is a very nice touch but hardly a new technology. As far as I can tell, the only truly new technologies in the S class are the VR HUD and the 3D instrument cluster, it’s undeniably the first car to bring those to market, how valuable are they really remains to be seen but I’m unconvinced.
Even the Remove Before Race guy, who has every incentive to praise Mercedes, was measuring his words in his review. Not sure why you're trying so hard to spin this, the car was terribly received but you can still like it, two things can be true at once
Here's your made up community.
Oh wait, Mercedes doesn't care about the opinions of social media users right? Tell that to their marketing department. You really have to have a complete lack of understanding of today's market to make such a claim.
This is really shallow mindless banter.
I think you like posting just for the heck of it really. I truly have not read anything of you that has real content to it.
The designers and investors of the new S-Class, (and there will be plenty of them) care little about how well car is received on a chat forum.
Posting something such as how has this new S-Class met the customers demands vs say the previous one would add you some credit points.
All the hate and trolling you clearly display serves no purpose but to discredit you. The German luxury cars have their place in the world, each has its own role to fulfill.
This is more garbage talk,
this "not so much" is where the luxury car industry is headed. The touch screen allow you to consolidate options on a menu platform for greater convenience and customizations features. The mechanics of bottoms are basically electrical circuits to cut on or off basic features.
Get back on the meds and try to at least grasp this concept.
The "Innovation and new Technology" you keep stressing have pretty much come to a head in the luxury car segment. That race is over.
Most customers and those who keep pace with automotive technology understand this.
It is all about customer and buyer demands now and how those demands have been implemented and met by the designers and engineers. (you will not find these demands in a chat forum or hate fest.)
This is the new race for achievement and success with each company.
Get back on the meds and try to understand this. It is like you are throwing a hate fest with no clue where the future of the luxury car is headed.
275others
Autobahn Adventurer
My fee-fees are badly hurt.
Thanks for explaining to me the purpose of a touch screen, I found that very useful since I have never seen a touch screen in person! That line about getting back on the meds really drove your point home as well. On a more serious note I love how you called my post "garbage talk" only to then argue what ammounts to : "This is where the industry is headed, therefore it's good!" - My god, what brilliance! What sound logic! Now that's what I call a post with substance, not at all garbage talk.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Interesting! When Tesla introduced this concept in 2012 it was crap, dangerous and a cheap solution. Now Daimler has revolutionized this concept and now it is modern, futuristic and so much better than the others.
Sunny
Premium
On another note, it is weirdly satisfying to see German car fans now expounding merits of touch screen after decrying it for better part of a decade. I think I will be having more of these schadenfreude moments.
Sunny
Premium
The ironic part is, the UI in MBUX, from a usability POV is one of the worst I have seen (light colored fonts on light background, italic font, inconsistent font sizes, high contrast gradients). It is like someone googled cool UI and threw it all into the kitchen sink and turned on the disposer.
martinbo
Staff member
Once again, an S-Class doesn't resonate with me from an interior perspective. W222 introduced that baroque parlour theme which never really appealed to me and now W223 goes off in an altogether direction. Now, it's not wrong to go off in a different direction - particularly if it's in the name of progress - but there's an incongruity to the W223's fascia styling that just looks off for me. I'm not averse to tech - I'm in the tech industry after all - but I'm not convinced that the aesthetic implementation of tech components in the W223's dash has been all that successful. I'm surprised that no one's talking more about it given how, when it comes to an S-Class, the place to be is on the inside.
I find this aspect to be aesthetically jarring and discordant:
Forget the smudges on the screen - they're inconsequential as screens will get smudged and then they'll get cleaned - it's the area circled for me that's problematic.
The entire area is a mess, from the intersection with different screen bezels at offset angles to the exposed plastic and waste disposal-like HUD aperture.
The floating centre screen isn't the issue, for me it's the lack of flow in the aforementioned area. I feel more effort should've been put into building a more elegant transition from dashboard into instrument binnacle - like Porsche achieved with 992 and its curved instrument display incorporated into the flow of the dash.
The S-Class is an opulent car but this outcome is, quite frankly, far from opulently executed.
I find this aspect to be aesthetically jarring and discordant:
Forget the smudges on the screen - they're inconsequential as screens will get smudged and then they'll get cleaned - it's the area circled for me that's problematic.
The entire area is a mess, from the intersection with different screen bezels at offset angles to the exposed plastic and waste disposal-like HUD aperture.
The floating centre screen isn't the issue, for me it's the lack of flow in the aforementioned area. I feel more effort should've been put into building a more elegant transition from dashboard into instrument binnacle - like Porsche achieved with 992 and its curved instrument display incorporated into the flow of the dash.
The S-Class is an opulent car but this outcome is, quite frankly, far from opulently executed.
275others
Autobahn Adventurer
It really is incredible how every element seems to be at odds with each other in the area you mentioned. For me w222’s interior is gorgeous but even if someone doesn’t like it I think it’s undeniable that everything is well integrated and the design just flows.Once again, an S-Class doesn't resonate with me from an interior perspective. W222 introduced that baroque parlour theme which never really appealed to me and now W223 goes off in an altogether direction. Now, it's not wrong to go off in a different direction - particularly if it's in the name of progress - but there's an incongruity to the W223's fascia styling that just looks off for me. I'm not averse to tech - I'm in the tech industry after all - but I'm not convinced that the aesthetic implementation of tech components in the W223's dash has been all that successful. I'm surprised that no one's talking more about it given how, when it comes to an S-Class, the place to be is on the inside.
I find this aspect to be aesthetically jarring and discordant:
Forget the smudges on the screen - they're inconsequential as screens will get smudged and then they'll get cleaned - it's the area circled for me that's problematic.
The entire area is a mess, from the intersection with different screen bezels at offset angles to the exposed plastic and waste disposal-like HUD aperture.
The floating centre screen isn't the issue, for me it's the lack of flow in the aforementioned area. I feel more effort should've been put into building a more elegant transition from dashboard into instrument binnacle - like Porsche achieved with 992 and its curved instrument display incorporated into the flow of the dash.
The S-Class is an opulent car but this outcome is, quite frankly, far from opulently executed.
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