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A champagne lifestyle isn't cheap! It is an expensive car. Remember that the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport cost as much, but are selling in bucket loads.
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The Porsche Panamera is a mid to full-sized luxury car (E-segment or F-segment for LWB in Europe) manufactured and marketed by Porsche. The Panamera name, as with the Carrera name, is derived from the Carrera Panamericana race.
A champagne lifestyle isn't cheap! It is an expensive car. Remember that the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport cost as much, but are selling in bucket loads.
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True, i was being unfair. Im comparing the price to the v6 diesel from the last gen.
Like someone said the V6 diesel will be along soon and cost around 90K, thats what i expected more or less.
Now on to this vote thing:
I voted Diesel S, and ile tell you why: Its cheaper to own and run. Own because the resale value of Panamera diesels is crazy, the last gen diesel costs about 10-15K euro more than the Petrols.
Also its the least thirsty. Now someone might say its a porsche and why diesel and all that. Well its still not a 911 or sports car, i don't need the mad performance of a Turbo. I want to live with the car and it seems like the most sensible option. Or well the even more sensible option would be the coming V6 diesel, but hey even if its not a 911 its still a porsche, and one would like it to haul ass.
So V8 diesel with 850NM and 422hp along with a fuel consumption of .7.. what more can one ask for.
Now let me have one with 10000km on the clock for 80-90K next summer and ile shit my pants (outside of the car ofc)
Edit: I would really like there to be an option of a sport design package or something, to give it more of the visual presence of the Turbo..
Anyone got their hands on the equipment list?
Also the configurator sucks, alot of equipment is missing!
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Plenty of time to rain on the parade later. I didn't want to spoil the party in such an early stadium. First let the Porsche fans have their thing
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I think a great many of us share your sentiment.
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This is fun. Click on the link below:
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/panamera/middle-east.aspx#issue/1/highlights
Scroll down to the Panamera evolution section and play with the slider which shows the difference in the profile between G1 and G2. Cute.
The key difference for me is the hindquarter styling approach. On the G2, the side DLO is further elongated into the D-Pillar creating a slimming effect and the D-Pillar itself is oh-so-subtly lengthened and kicked up into a rear deck. It makes a world of difference and the G2 is much less arse-heavy than its predecessor as a result. Fully kiff bru.
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/panamera/middle-east.aspx#issue/1/highlights
Scroll down to the Panamera evolution section and play with the slider which shows the difference in the profile between G1 and G2. Cute.
The key difference for me is the hindquarter styling approach. On the G2, the side DLO is further elongated into the D-Pillar creating a slimming effect and the D-Pillar itself is oh-so-subtly lengthened and kicked up into a rear deck. It makes a world of difference and the G2 is much less arse-heavy than its predecessor as a result. Fully kiff bru.
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So...
I've been wondering about that 4.0 litre twin-turbo V8 diesel and whether it's the same as, or related to, the new V8 diesel in the SQ7 which features twin hot-side inside turbocharging boosted by an electric supercharger low down.
From what I can glean from the web thus far is that it isn't the same engine. It's still a 4 litre with hot vee charging but the two turbos are more traditionally mounted compared with those in the Audi SQ7.
In fact, having now gotten all intrigued, I have to point out that the turbo exhaust manifolding on the SQ7 V8 diesel is just nuts! To the point that it deserves a
and a 
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Each valve - not cylinder - gets its own exhaust manifold outlet and this, in some bizarrely intricate, camshaft-determined trickery is how Audi arrives at "selective turbocharger actuation". Frisky.
The Porsche's 4 litre TT V8 diesel is comparatively more conventional from what I can see. And yet, in terms of outright outputs not far off at all from the Audi unit's figures being just 10 kW and 50 Nm down on the respective power and torque numbers. So that's pretty interesting in its own right.
As to how related the two engines are, say in terms of engine block, remains to be seen.
I've been wondering about that 4.0 litre twin-turbo V8 diesel and whether it's the same as, or related to, the new V8 diesel in the SQ7 which features twin hot-side inside turbocharging boosted by an electric supercharger low down.
From what I can glean from the web thus far is that it isn't the same engine. It's still a 4 litre with hot vee charging but the two turbos are more traditionally mounted compared with those in the Audi SQ7.
In fact, having now gotten all intrigued, I have to point out that the turbo exhaust manifolding on the SQ7 V8 diesel is just nuts! To the point that it deserves a
and a .Each valve - not cylinder - gets its own exhaust manifold outlet and this, in some bizarrely intricate, camshaft-determined trickery is how Audi arrives at "selective turbocharger actuation". Frisky.
The Porsche's 4 litre TT V8 diesel is comparatively more conventional from what I can see. And yet, in terms of outright outputs not far off at all from the Audi unit's figures being just 10 kW and 50 Nm down on the respective power and torque numbers. So that's pretty interesting in its own right.
As to how related the two engines are, say in terms of engine block, remains to be seen.
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Welllllll.......holy crap that's heavy???
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So...
I've been wondering about that 4.0 litre twin-turbo V8 diesel and whether it's the same as, or related to, the new V8 diesel in the SQ7 which features twin hot-side inside turbocharging boosted by an electric supercharger low down.
From what I can glean from the web thus far is that it isn't the same engine. It's still a 4 litre with hot vee charging but the two turbos are more traditionally mounted compared with those in the Audi SQ7.
In fact, having now gotten all intrigued, I have to point out that the turbo exhaust manifolding on the SQ7 V8 diesel is just nuts! To the point that it deserves a
Each valve - not cylinder - gets its own exhaust manifold outlet and this, in some bizarrely intricate, camshaft-determined trickery is how Audi arrives at "selective turbocharger actuation". Frisky.
The Porsche's 4 litre TT V8 diesel is comparatively more conventional from what I can see. And yet, in terms of outright outputs not far off at all from the Audi unit's figures being just 10 kW and 50 Nm down on the respective power and torque numbers. So that's pretty interesting in its own right.
As to how related the two engines are, say in terms of engine block, remains to be seen.
In the pre release test drives it seemed that it was the exact same engine as the Audi.
Which is btw some sort of black magic engine.
But now when i read the few words there are to be read officially from porsche on the V8 Diesel it seems to be different, there is no mention of the electric supercharger.. but still the torque seems to be there from 1000rpm like the Audi engine:
The new Panamera is launching with a new eight-cylinder diesel engine, for the first time in conjunction with permanent all-wheel drive. The most powerful diesel imple- mented in a Porsche production car to date develops a power of 310 kW/422 hp (at 3,500 rpm) and an immense maximum torque of 850 Nm – which is constant over an engine speed plateau extending from 1,000 to 3,250 rpm. With a top speed of 285 km/h, the Porsche Panamera 4S Diesel is currently the world’s fastest production vehicle with a diesel engine. The Gran Turismo reaches the 100 km/h speed mark in 4.5 seconds (4.3 seconds with the Sport Chrono Package). This contrasts with a combined fuel consumption of 6.8 – 6.7 l/100 km (178 – 176 g/km CO2).
The diesel model also has biturbo charging with a central turbo layout. However, its common rail engine (2,500 bar maximum injection pressure) is equipped with se- quential turbocharging. This allows the engine to work as a biturbo or monoturbo, depending on the operating state. At low to moderate engine speeds, the entire stream of exhaust gas is directed solely through one of the two turbochargers, which improves throttle response. The otherwise passive second turbocharger does not become active until the engine speed reaches 2,700 rpm or more. Both turbo- chargers have variable turbine geometry (VTG) – a principle that is already familiar from the 911 Turbo.
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This is very interesting. It suggests that there is indeed more commonality than I had originally assessed.
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