Cayenne Official: Porsche Cayenne Diesel
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The Porsche Cayenne is a series of automobiles manufactured by Porsche since 2002. It is a luxury crossover SUV, and has been described as both a full-sized and a mid-sized vehicle.
martinbo
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It was bound to happen. And moreover, it's a good thing, especially for current buyers of the Porsche Cayenne - and, yes, there are droves of them.
These are not people that trawl internet forums day in and out attempting to expound the lack of virtue of this, the impurest of Porsches ever. Neither are these people concerned that they'll get burned by a Ford Focus ST from the lights either.
These are affluent, posh folk who have a lot of money and more often than not, several cars - just like a close friend of mine - and who want a Cayenne for two reasons: luxury SUV conveyance for more than two people and a Porsche badge.
I see dozens of facelifted Cayennes a week. And why not? Why would I rather have a long hearse of a Q7 or a jacked-up VW when I can have a Porsche that easily outdoes either of its cousins for on-road presence and snob-factor? And it's great for lifestyle stuff too... it'll tow the boat to the dam, give the kids a good view of the game reserve and drive with impunity on the beach (not that you should!)
A diesel Porsche Cayenne with 550 Nm is more relevant -and useful - these days than any petrol-engined 4 door coupe or psuedo-sporty MPV-wagon crossover abomination.
These are not people that trawl internet forums day in and out attempting to expound the lack of virtue of this, the impurest of Porsches ever. Neither are these people concerned that they'll get burned by a Ford Focus ST from the lights either.
These are affluent, posh folk who have a lot of money and more often than not, several cars - just like a close friend of mine - and who want a Cayenne for two reasons: luxury SUV conveyance for more than two people and a Porsche badge.
I see dozens of facelifted Cayennes a week. And why not? Why would I rather have a long hearse of a Q7 or a jacked-up VW when I can have a Porsche that easily outdoes either of its cousins for on-road presence and snob-factor? And it's great for lifestyle stuff too... it'll tow the boat to the dam, give the kids a good view of the game reserve and drive with impunity on the beach (not that you should!)
A diesel Porsche Cayenne with 550 Nm is more relevant -and useful - these days than any petrol-engined 4 door coupe or psuedo-sporty MPV-wagon crossover abomination.
DaSilva
Autotechnik Ace
I remember driving the Q7 3.0 TDI the car is slower than my grandma.
This Cayenne will look bad outside any house hotel or eaven a buliding
without the the letters "POOR ME YES I AM POOR" is written on the structure.
Let me just ask here ?
Who would by a Cayenne diesel insted of an petrol version?
Cause I've been co-piloting the V8 Turbo S version and haha, one of
the best sounds I've ever heard (not rated against sex noises/sound)
Also why not buy the GTS !! That's nice!
PanterroR
Lap Time Luminary
martinbo
Staff member
Quite simply, I would buy a modern V6 diesel Cayenne over that backward, low-tech VR-6 engined petrol engined Cayenne anyday. The difference in off the mark acceleration will be neglible and in-gear acceleration will be far better in the case of the diesel.
In fact, I would rather have a TDV8 Range Rover Sport than the similarly priced supercharged petrol. Diesel make so much sense in an SUV.
Economy (equals range)
Torque
Emissions
Off-road suitability
A diesel Cayenne will be far cheaper than a GTS so the comparison is illogical.
coolraoul
Torque Titan
MikeJ
M-Power Meister
I'm with Martin on this one. This is the only version of the Cayenne which makes any sort of sense as a real-world proposition. I mean, this is after all an everyday vehicle for people with families and not a plaything for daddy for the weekends. This beats the petrol-engined versions in just about every respect that matter in the real world. (It's still ugly though.) OK, maybe the Turbo is the better choice for people needing compensation in the trouser department but for the rest of us, this would be the pick of the bunch. This, and a Cayman for the weekends...
mike.blueberry
Precision Tuner
Yes but why are Porsche not injecting something into this car, like making their own version of the engine, more powerful, spice it up etc?
Ok let's assume that this will sell millions just because of the badge (which is a terrible strategy on the long run), doesn't Porsche have to use their knowledge and spice up all their cars? Which engineer, designer, manager etc at Porsche prefers the car like that?
Mike
Ok let's assume that this will sell millions just because of the badge (which is a terrible strategy on the long run), doesn't Porsche have to use their knowledge and spice up all their cars? Which engineer, designer, manager etc at Porsche prefers the car like that?
Mike
martinbo
Staff member
Well, consideration must be given to the fact that first and foremost this is an aging model that's been with us for some time now.
When the Cayenne was originally launched it quickly gained a reputation for being superb handler - a far cry from its Touareg sibling. In fact, Porsche engineers infused the Cayenne Turbo with such dynamic prowess that it had journalists gobsmacked for its handling ability - even around a circuit. It was this "Porsche-ness" that quickly placed the Cayenne at the top of the pops in automag ranking pages for the then emergent segment.
The Cayenne GTS, as far as SUV's go, is only eclipsed by the much more modern and electronically gimmicky X6 as the handling benchmark for luxury SUV's. And, the GTS is still a full sized two-box shape and not a cramped fastback "coupe".
All of Porsche's engines barring the 3.6 litre V6 and now, 3.0 litre turbodiesel in the Cayenne, are engineered in house - including the two V8's.
I'm quite sure that all of Porsche's designers, engineers and financial managers saw the benefit of leveraging off shared platform synergies and recognised the compromise as a necessary and pragmatic strategy.
For the car that it is - it is after all just an SUV - the Cayenne bears testimony to its own success. It's not like Porsche went and sold their DNA to the devil. They still make Boxsters and Caymans and GT3s and GT2s... each of which occupy the dynamic pinnacle in their respective classes.
The new Cayenne ought to follow shortly on the heels of the Panamera, and I suspect it will once more set the standard for fast, luxurious SUVs. And, really, isn't that what Porsche are renowned for?
When the Cayenne was originally launched it quickly gained a reputation for being superb handler - a far cry from its Touareg sibling. In fact, Porsche engineers infused the Cayenne Turbo with such dynamic prowess that it had journalists gobsmacked for its handling ability - even around a circuit. It was this "Porsche-ness" that quickly placed the Cayenne at the top of the pops in automag ranking pages for the then emergent segment.
The Cayenne GTS, as far as SUV's go, is only eclipsed by the much more modern and electronically gimmicky X6 as the handling benchmark for luxury SUV's. And, the GTS is still a full sized two-box shape and not a cramped fastback "coupe".
All of Porsche's engines barring the 3.6 litre V6 and now, 3.0 litre turbodiesel in the Cayenne, are engineered in house - including the two V8's.
I'm quite sure that all of Porsche's designers, engineers and financial managers saw the benefit of leveraging off shared platform synergies and recognised the compromise as a necessary and pragmatic strategy.
For the car that it is - it is after all just an SUV - the Cayenne bears testimony to its own success. It's not like Porsche went and sold their DNA to the devil. They still make Boxsters and Caymans and GT3s and GT2s... each of which occupy the dynamic pinnacle in their respective classes.
The new Cayenne ought to follow shortly on the heels of the Panamera, and I suspect it will once more set the standard for fast, luxurious SUVs. And, really, isn't that what Porsche are renowned for?
mike.blueberry
Precision Tuner
No. For anyone who was already a teenager in the 90's, Porsches = 964, 993, 930 and the like. The 993 twinturbo was the first to inject a bit more comfort although that's not more than what you'll find on a GT3RS today.
But, I read your answer and it is valid except that under no circumstance should the 3.2 V6 from VW have made its way to the Cayenne, and now this low power diesel engine as well.
I'd accept if all Cayennes started with the V8 (hen the only problem would be that Porsche has no business making SUVs).
Mike
martinbo
Staff member
Ok, possibly my sentence didn't spell it out all that clearly. When I say "And really, isn't that what Porsche are renowned for" I'm saying that they're renowned for setting the standard. Not just for fast, luxurious SUVs. Ambiguous, granted.
Oh, and I was teenager growing up in the 80's and the first 911 I ever drove was a 930 Turbo back in the early 90's so I have a fair connection with the heritage of the marque.
It seems that you have a resistance to product diversification. But if that diversification leads to increased revenue and profitability without detracting from the desirability of established models then who are we to argue.
I'm not a Porsche shareholder and I bet, neither are you... because then you wouldn't be complaining.
Oh, and I was teenager growing up in the 80's and the first 911 I ever drove was a 930 Turbo back in the early 90's so I have a fair connection with the heritage of the marque.
It seems that you have a resistance to product diversification. But if that diversification leads to increased revenue and profitability without detracting from the desirability of established models then who are we to argue.
I'm not a Porsche shareholder and I bet, neither are you... because then you wouldn't be complaining.
mike.blueberry
Precision Tuner
Yes, a very big resistence.. difficult to shift my perception of Porsche, but it will happen.
Shareholder, no, in that case I'd be happy.
Porsche making money is one thing, but it's another to introduce little models in all the niches and become a mainstream manufacturer. This is painful for all the purists. I didn't see Lamborghini or Ferrari do this, and 10 years ago Porsche was in that group..
Right, Lamborghini and Ferrari are not stand-alone companies like Porsche, but I prefer Porsche being part of VW and make sports coupes rather than VW part of Porsche and seeing rebadged Touaregs..
Mike
martinbo
Staff member
I respect your resistance. It's actually a very necessary sentiment in this day and age of mass proliferation of just about every conceivable crossover concept. I share the same resistance with a company like BMW - I have no problem with SUVs but the purpose and relevance of some gratuitous models has me disappointed.
Porsche on the other hand, well, they've only really got 3 major product lines in any event: Boxster/Cayman, 911 and Cayenne. Not too diversified.
Consider too that both Lamborghini and Ferrari have had dubious diversifications in the past, if not altogether dubious (in the case of Lamborghini
) product line-ups. I mean look at the LM 002 monstrosity, the famously over-rated Countach, and the pifly, unremarkable Jalpa. That wasn't a range of cars it was a range of liabilities! 
Ferrari, diversified too, so successfully with the sublime little Dino - but for whatever reason, it's "spiritual successor" in the useless Mondial was so far off the original's concept that the only thing the two cars had in common was the idea of being the "budget Ferraris" of their time. Ferrari, as far as I'm concerned, are bloody lucky - they have a massively powerful brand and heritage to fall back on.
What's also interesting to note, is that despite Porsche's best efforts in bringing a new layout of sports car to the market, all of which were far closer to the spiritual ethos of the brand than the Cayenne, the 924, 944 and 928 were rubbish and unprofitable. This was where the loss-making was coming from: sporty Porsches with more conventional, contemporary layouts. Wiedeking pulled the plug on these dogs - and rightly so.
It was the re-emphasis on an old stalwart - the 911 - and a clever "let's make a Porsche MX-5" outsourcing plan that got Porsche back in the black.
The Cayenne was met with considerable resistance at a Porsche board level. And, yet, it proved to be an unmitigated success despite being wholly at odds with the supposed ethos and heritage of the brand. Now, here's the clincher: What if a high profit margin car like the Cayenne is actually a financial enabler (cash cow) that allows Porsche to continue developing and marketing such fantastic - but altogether niche - cars like the GT3 RS and GT2?
... well then I'm f*&king all for it!
Porsche on the other hand, well, they've only really got 3 major product lines in any event: Boxster/Cayman, 911 and Cayenne. Not too diversified.
Consider too that both Lamborghini and Ferrari have had dubious diversifications in the past, if not altogether dubious (in the case of Lamborghini
) product line-ups. I mean look at the LM 002 monstrosity, the famously over-rated Countach, and the pifly, unremarkable Jalpa. That wasn't a range of cars it was a range of liabilities! Ferrari, diversified too, so successfully with the sublime little Dino - but for whatever reason, it's "spiritual successor" in the useless Mondial was so far off the original's concept that the only thing the two cars had in common was the idea of being the "budget Ferraris" of their time. Ferrari, as far as I'm concerned, are bloody lucky - they have a massively powerful brand and heritage to fall back on.
What's also interesting to note, is that despite Porsche's best efforts in bringing a new layout of sports car to the market, all of which were far closer to the spiritual ethos of the brand than the Cayenne, the 924, 944 and 928 were rubbish and unprofitable. This was where the loss-making was coming from: sporty Porsches with more conventional, contemporary layouts. Wiedeking pulled the plug on these dogs - and rightly so.
It was the re-emphasis on an old stalwart - the 911 - and a clever "let's make a Porsche MX-5" outsourcing plan that got Porsche back in the black.
The Cayenne was met with considerable resistance at a Porsche board level. And, yet, it proved to be an unmitigated success despite being wholly at odds with the supposed ethos and heritage of the brand. Now, here's the clincher: What if a high profit margin car like the Cayenne is actually a financial enabler (cash cow) that allows Porsche to continue developing and marketing such fantastic - but altogether niche - cars like the GT3 RS and GT2?
... well then I'm f*&king all for it!
martinbo
Staff member
How is 550 Nm weak for an SUV? What - are we judging the car based on its top-end horsepower numbers? Remarkable.
Since when was Porsche ever about outright power figures even in their mainstream models?
It's a diesel, it makes less power than petrol engine because it can't rev as high.
By the same token its 550 Nm of torque is just what's needed to make for effortless acceleration and in-gear grunt without having to wring the neck out of the engine.
I mean really.
Since when was Porsche ever about outright power figures even in their mainstream models?
It's a diesel, it makes less power than petrol engine because it can't rev as high.
By the same token its 550 Nm of torque is just what's needed to make for effortless acceleration and in-gear grunt without having to wring the neck out of the engine.
I mean really.
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