E-Class W214 [Official] New Mercedes-Benz E-Class (W214)

[AbsoluteUnit]

No mentioning of air suspension......only steel springs?

Autocar says they're coil springs with dual valved dampers a la Porsche. I would imagine the wagon will have rear air suspension. But again, no specifics yet.

Does anyone know when the press cars will be out for review?

 

[kiki voinea]

What about the price?

 

[dalab]

Does this unfinished version cost less? "Paint the grill it at home"

Really?!

Really?!!!??!!!

Kung fu Panda ...
It looks like makeup on a drunk prostitute, Isn't anyone at Mercedes watching?

My grandmother would be happy with this touring......too serious, very for old people

Painted!?
These loose undulations are so warm and dated, when the whole world of design in all areas is heading towards angularity and added pieces with volume,.............. this car is in general so boring.

The design paradigm changed, an era ended and Mercedes didn't notice....

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Does this unfinished version cost less? "Paint the grill it at home"

Really?!

Really?!!!??!!!

Kung fu Panda ...
It looks like makeup on a drunk prostitute, Isn't anyone at Mercedes watching?

My grandmother would be happy with this touring......too serious, very for old people

Painted!?
These loose undulations are so warm and dated, when the whole world of design in all areas is heading towards angularity and added pieces with volume,.............. this car is in general so boring.

The design paradigm changed, an era ended and Mercedes didn't notice....

Yes yes we get it. Mercedes bad, BMW good.

Not really sure what you're trying to say with some of these pictures.

 

[dalab]

I'm so glad they didn't force the superscreen on the AMG trim.

That's a confusing message from Mercedes.

I think I heard somewhere it might be 2.2-2.3 tonnes, but no specific numbers yet.

It must be the second or worse precisely because they don't mention it

Or its much lighter than the M5 will be, but much less powerful.

It doesn't sound "much" lighter, if it's 2.3T it's just lighter and much less powerful

 

[dalab]

Yes yes we get it. Mercedes bad, BMW good.

Don't diminish the discussion by taking it that way.

Not really sure what you're trying to say with some of these pictures.

What is not clear? It is neither more nor less than my opinion, even with text in each thing that seems to me in those remarkable details.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

That's a confusing message from Mercedes.

Why? Seems fairly simple if you ask me. Get the big screen if you want it, don't if you don't.

It must be the second or worse precisely because they don't mention it

Possibly, yes. Although it could amount to the difference in weight between the wagon and the sedan - the wagon naturally being heavier.

It doesn't sound "much" lighter, if it's 2.3T it's just lighter and much less powerful

550e - 2240kg and 490PS
E53 - ~2300kg and 585PS
M5 - 2500kg and 750-800PS?

I don't doubt the M5 will be a lot faster, but it'll also be much more expensive.
Also 200kg less is a significant amount of weight. Sure in a straight line the M5 will absolutely crush the E53, but that extra 200kg will be felt in the bends.
But let's be real, neither car will be as nimble and agile through the corners as their immediate predecessors. Heck, anyone with an M5 CS will probably feel its a downgrade as a pure driver's car.

As we've learned with the C63SE, more power isn't everything when you're more than 400kg heavier than the predecessor.

What is not clear? It is neither more nor less than my opinion, even with text in each thing that seems to me in those remarkable details.

Well what you're saying doesn't really make any sense:

Does this unfinished version cost less? "Paint the grill it at home"

What do you mean by this? The E-class has that black trim in all versions, so I'm not sure what your point is. Is it the grille? That's the night package which blacks out the chrome the same way the Shadowline spec does on an equivalent BMW.

You then say "Really?" twice, without explaining what you mean.

Kung fu Panda ...
It looks like makeup on a drunk prostitute, Isn't anyone at Mercedes watching?

Very insightful commentary. Thanks. I still think it looks better than the 5 series, but probably won't look as good as the upcoming A6 Etron or A7.

My grandmother would be happy with this touring......too serious, very for old people

What does this mean? Again I think it looks better than the 5er Touring. What does "for old people" mean? Do you think that young people prefer overdesigned angles?

Painted!?
These loose undulations are so warm and dated, when the whole world of design in all areas is heading towards angularity and added pieces with volume,.............. this car is in general so boring.

Painted what? What do you mean by this?
The whole world of design doesn't really mean anything. Simply following design trends for its own sake is meaningless. If angular designs are in vogue, then surely going with softer flowing curves is unique and more likely to stand-out?

The design paradigm changed, an era ended and Mercedes didn't notice....

And who sets the paradigm? BMW? I get that you prefer the way that the new 5er looks with its sharp cuts and angles and volumes and whatnot, but BMW don't set the standard or paradigm for vehicle design. Even then, BMW is still following the age on 3-box design, just raised up to allow space for a battery pack. They could have gone the EV route and have a more bubble-like aerodynamics-first design (which is the real trend these days), but they chose to retain as close to a traditional sedan shape. I wonder why that is? The devil is the details.

Manufacturer's can and should do whatever they want with their design language. Follow trends, or go against the grain. At the end of the day we as customers are allowed to judge them as we see them.

 

[Centurion]

A few concerns:
-Was the official 0-62mph time set using race mode that's exclusive to the dynamic package?
-Will the drivetrain software suck as hard as it does in the S63?

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

A few concerns:
-Was the official 0-62mph time set using race mode that's exclusive to the dynamic package?
-Will the drivetrain software suck as hard as it does in the S63?

Not sure, the drivetrain set-up seems to be different - its not the AMG P3 setup? Here the motor is in the gearbox, rather than being mounted on the rear axle, so in theory the calibration should be better?
One would hope that after several attempts that would improve.

 

[Jacke]

A few concerns:
-Was the official 0-62mph time set using race mode that's exclusive to the dynamic package?
-Will the drivetrain software suck as hard as it does in the S63?

“The combined torque peak is quoted at 553 pound-feet. AMG claims a 3.8-second zero-to-62-mph time for the E53 Hybrid sedan in Race Start, and two-tenths slower without it.”

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

As is always the case with the Germans, those are conservative 0-62 times no doubt.

 

[Centurion]

“The combined torque peak is quoted at 553 pound-feet. AMG claims a 3.8-second zero-to-62-mph time for the E53 Hybrid sedan in Race Start, and two-tenths slower without it.”

So 0-62mph in 4.0sec in real life then for probably $/EUR100,000. Lol

 

[leylandi]

I'm sorry you made your jealousy so obvious. Someone who praises the freak G60 criticizes the E class based on the front grille details. @dalab

 

[dalab]

Why? Seems fairly simple if you ask me. Get the big screen if you want it, don't if you don't.

The hyper is supposed to be the "top" but in the "top" AMG model they put the other one.... a little confusing

Possibly, yes. Although it could amount to the difference in weight between the wagon and the sedan - the wagon naturally being heavier.

I don't think so, Mercedes has been hiding unfavorable information lately and that's it.

550e - 2240kg and 490PS

I don't know why you're referring to the 550e (I don't even know what it is, nor have I seen any tests), isn't there anything about a BMW 5er with similar power in ICE or hybrid?

neither car will be as nimble and agile through the corners as their immediate predecessors. Heck, anyone with an M5 CS will probably feel its a downgrade as a pure driver's car.

We will have to wait for both of them in the real tests and see how they do.

As we've learned with the C63SE, more power isn't everything when you're more than 400kg heavier than the predecessor.

Amen

What do you mean by this? The E-class has that black trim in all versions, so I'm not sure what your point is. Is it the grille? That's the night package which blacks out the chrome the same way the Shadowline spec does on an equivalent BMW.

Just look at it, that looks like it came unpainted from the factory, the name is nothing, it's its outline and context, THAT looks strange by design in conjunction with the rest of the front, it doesn't flow there

ou then say "Really?" twice, without explaining what you mean.

You are very "literal" I think this is clearly exemplified, fake gills in relief? Cheeeesseeee!! and disgusting, vulgar, tawdry, do I continue?

Very insightful commentary.

I would add that it is astute, sharp, descriptive and fun.

What does this mean? Again I think it looks better than the 5er Touring. What does "for old people" mean?

Nice yes, but also boring, very serious, uninteresting, my grandfather's car, high average age

Painted what? What do you mean by this?

Painted on the body, a very cheap resource in addition to debatable results.

The whole world of design doesn't really mean anything.

Oh really?

And who sets the paradigm? BMW?

Yes, today much more than Mercedes, which repeated the design of previous generations in its three main lines, and with the EQ that wanted to innovate it made an ugly mistake.

They could have gone the EV route and have a more bubble-like aerodynamics-first design (which is the real trend these days)

The bubble is the trend of those who are wrong, that is already evident

At the end of the day we as customers are allowed to judge them as we see them.

That's why they are overwhelmingly turning their backs on Mercedes in sales and an analysis needs to be done about it, otherwise you can tell me where the problem is.

Look at the C-Class, collapsing in sales, it is very serious and mature car for a C, it is like an E model that is worse proportioned and smaller, in that segment it is the most boring car I have ever seen, young customers, "their" captive customers, are looking for another something more like the previous one, younger and "relaxed, what they did is a mistake

 

[Rolf]

I am so happy to see the new E53 have an inline 6 engine with plug in hybrid and over 100km range, this is what they should have launched in the C63 instead of a crap 4-cylinder and lousy 12km BEV range.

The performance stats are quite hilarious as they are deliberately stating identical 0-100km/h time to the BMW i5 M60 of 3.8sec!!

It looks good in an elegant sporty way. I like the wagon it is a proper Q-car.

I like the AMG motif light shown on the wood trim on the passenger side, it looks very distinctive.

Some suspension details:


Fully variable all-wheel drive AMG Performance 4MATIC+
Optimum traction is provided by the standard all-wheel drive. It ensures a high level of driving stability and safety on dry roads as well as in wet or snowy conditions. An electromechanically controlled clutch distributes the drive power variably between the front and rear axles in each driving mode, ensuring maximum traction, driving dynamics and driving safety at all times and under all driving conditions.

Newly developed and tuned AMG RIDE CONTROL suspension with adaptive damping
The AMG development team has specially developed and tuned the AMG RIDE CONTROL coil-spring suspension with adaptive damping to meet the requirements of the E 53 HYBRID 4MATIC+ with new hardware and software. It offers a balanced combination of adequate acoustic insulation for all-electric driving in combination with a very sporty character typical of AMG. The independent front axle has a wider track width than the Mercedes-Benz model. On the rear axle, the stiffer elastokinematics of the rubber bearings, which connect the multi-link members to the axle carrier, ensure greater directional and camber stability.

The steel suspension with sporty spring-damper setup and adaptive two-valve adjustable damping combines high driving dynamics with very good ride comfort. The damping on each wheel adapts to the current riding situation and road conditions. This is done quickly and precisely via separate valves for the direction of tension and compression in the dampers. The damper characteristic curve can be preselected in the three levels "Comfort", "Sport" and "Sport+" and thus enables a clearly perceptible differentiation between high long-distance comfort and sporty driving dynamics.

The software has also been reprogrammed. The tuning of the suspension, ESP®, the fully variable AMG Performance 4MATIC+ all-wheel drive system and the steering, which has been adapted to the hybrid drive, enables a balanced and safe, but also dynamic and confident driving experience.

The AMG high-performance sports brake system is based on ventilated brake discs with 370×36 millimetres at the front axle and four-piston fixed calipers. On the rear axle it is 360×26 millimeters with single-piston fisted calipers.

Another high-tech feature is the electromechanical brake booster. It ensures that the braking system efficiently combines electric recuperation with the hydraulic brake. Depending on the driving situation and braking requirements, the vacuum-independent braking system automatically controls the flexible change between hydraulic braking and electric recuperation. As a result, maximum recuperation performance can be achieved more frequently and over a longer period of time. The system variably reduces the braking power of the hydraulic brake, even at constant pedal pressure, in order to maintain a high recuperation performance as the speed decreases. The driver does not notice this automatic change.

Active rear-axle steering (HAL) as standard combines stability and agility
Depending on the speed, the rear wheels steer either in the opposite direction of the front wheels (up to 100 km/h) or in the same direction (over 100 km/h). The system thus enables agile and stable handling in equal measure. The track angle change is 0.7 degrees (parallel steering) to 2.5 degrees (opposite steering). The turning circle is 12.53m.

AMG drive modes with wide spread
From efficient to dynamic: The AMG DYNAMIC SELECT drive programs are precisely tailored to the drive technology of the plug-in hybrid. They adjust important parameters such as the responsiveness of the drive and transmission, the steering characteristics, the chassis damping or the sound. In addition to the familiar "Comfort", "Sport", "Sport+", "Smooth" and "Individual" driving modes, the new Mercedes-AMG E 53 HYBRID 4MATIC+ also features two hybrid-specific drive modes: "Electric" and "Battery Hold".

As standard, the electrified 53 model starts silently in the "Electric" drive mode when the electric motor is switched on. The "Ready" icon in the instrument cluster indicates that the vehicle is ready to drive. In "Electric", all-electric driving is then carried out with the 120 kW (163 hp) electric motor with a range of up to over 100 kilometres. If the battery's charge level is too low or the driver requests more power in the meantime and overcomes the pressure point of the haptic accelerator pedal, the intelligent operating strategy switches automatically: the combustion engine starts up and takes over the drive power as needed.

In the "Battery Hold" drive mode, the combustion engine and electric motor run in a coordinated manner depending on the situation. The operating strategy keeps the battery charge level almost constant. The use of the electric motor is limited and optimized for low energy consumption. Recuperation rebalances the energy balance. By simply changing the driving mode, the driver can decide when they want to fully use the battery charge again, for example for inner-city traffic.

AMG DYNAMIC PLUS Package
For an even more emotional driving experience, the optional AMG DYNAMIC PLUS package combines technical and visual equipment details.

• AMG Performance steering wheel in nappa leather/MICROCUT microfibre with steering wheel buttons for quick operation of the drive modes and other driving dynamics settings.
• Larger, high-performance composite brake system at the front with 390×36 mm discs and six-piston fixed calipers.
• The brake calipers are painted red and thus visually underline the sporty character.
• The electronically controlled rear-axle limited-slip differential enables even better traction out of corners, greater driving stability and power loss-free load distribution in all driving conditions.
• Dynamic engine mounts enable a sporty or comfortable connection of the engine to the body. They consist of two interlocking cylinders connected by a magnetorheological fluid. A magnetic field causes them to change their viscosity (viscosity). If the vibrations of the engine are to be transmitted to the body as little as possible in a comfort-oriented manner, the in-line six-cylinder engine is connected particularly softly. The magnet in the bearings is then switched off. If the engine is to be connected to the body as stiffly as possible for higher performance, the magnetic field is continuously increased and the connection becomes stiffer. In the E 53 HYBRID 4MATIC+, the active bearings optimise the spread between sportiness and comfort in particular.
• With the RACE START function, you can sprint optimally from a standstill. In the RACE START, the drive technology pulls out all the stops to achieve the best possible acceleration. To do this, the software calls up the full power of the electric motor (120 kW) and the combustion engine (330 kW) as well as the maximum torque in each case.

 

[leylandi]

S450d 4M SWB 2100 kg
E450d 4M 2065 kg

S580e 4M SWB 2450 kg
E53 AMG 4M 2400 kg???

 

[klier]

S450d 4M SWB 2100 kg
E450d 4M 2065 kg

F'ing LMAO. An old school midsize ICE car weighs 2000 kg at Mercedes these days.

E450d.... hahaha I wonder how many they are going to sell. Luckily I have 10 fingers so I can keep track.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

So 0-62mph in 4.0sec in real life then for probably $/EUR100,000. Lol

It'll probably be quicker than 4 flat in the real world. These cars always underestimate performance. But yeah, it is what it is. The i5 M60 also has a claimed 0-60 time of 3.8 seconds in a $100,000 car. No great value for money anywhere, I'm afraid.

The hyper is supposed to be the "top" but in the "top" AMG model they put the other one.... a little confusing

Its an option. Its not really confusing.

You are very "literal" I think this is clearly exemplified, fake gills in relief? Cheeeesseeee!! and disgusting, vulgar, tawdry, do I continue?

Fair enough.

I would add that it is astute, sharp, descriptive and fun.

I mean I disagree, however I'm sure I've seen you get very upset at Leylandi using similarly colourful descriptions of the 5er.

The bubble is the trend of those who are wrong, that is already evident

Says who? I think the Lucid Air; a bubbly Aerodynamic car, looks much, much better than the G60 and EQE, and maybe even the W214. And if we go by the market leader in electric sedans; Tesla, yeah the bubble design is doing pretty well for itself.
The went for a traditional 3 box design so as not to upset their usual customers. So really, BMW played it as safe as they could. Why not go for something radical? Why not have the M4/i7 Nostrils? Again, to avoid upsetting their usual customers.

Bare in mind the mid-size sedan - i.e the E, 5er and A6 all predominantly have an older customer base (i.e ones with families to transport around), because young people in their 20s and 30s usually can't afford to buy a brand new $70-100,000 car, and those that can will choose to buy a smaller, nimbler 3 series or 2 series or the really rich ones will get a Porsche or McLaren.

That's why they are overwhelmingly turning their backs on Mercedes in sales and an analysis needs to be done about it, otherwise you can tell me where the problem is.

Look at the C-Class, collapsing in sales, it is very serious and mature car for a C, it is like an E model that is worse proportioned and smaller, in that segment it is the most boring car I have ever seen, young customers, "their" captive customers, are looking for another something more like the previous one, younger and "relaxed, what they did is a mistake

The C class is an amusing example to bring up, because its not selling well due to its looks, but rather because its not that great a car. I should also point out that the base 3er, which is what the C class is losing to, is the most "boring" - using your own vernacular, looking BMW. Its just a normal looking sedan, in exactly the same way the C-class is.
So where is the difference accounted for?

 

[leylandi]

Look at the C-Class, collapsing in sales

2022 Sales of C-Class vehicles rose by 27% to 303,000 (2021: 239,000).

Look at the S-Class, collapsing in sales

Global sales of the S-Class rose to 117,500 units in 2022 (2021: 91,100 units).

 

[dalab]

I like the AMG motif light shown on the wood trim on the passenger side, it looks very distinctive.

Do you think it's light from behind the wood sheet? or something like that, it seemed to me to be painted in a gradient on the wood, but you made me doubt...