EQS [Official] Mercedes-Benz EQS

[Matski]

Chinese factory workers aren't paid a hell of a lot less than factory workers in Eastern Europe

Poland is still quite a way behind Germany or the UK in that respect.

It's also not just what's getting paid to the workers, there's a knock on cost of, for example, holiday pay, sick pay, maternity/paternity, pension contributions etc. which will vary quite a bit, and I don't know, but I suspect the further east you go, the less other benefits the workers get.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Poland is still quite a way behind Germany or the UK in that respect.

It's also not just what's getting paid to the workers, there's a knock on cost of, for example, holiday pay, sick pay, maternity/paternity, pension contributions etc. which will vary quite a bit, and I don't know, but I suspect the further east you go, the less other benefits the workers get.

Yes. There's also greater work pressure, less overall freedom.

Does that matter to the end user? Probably not. In the most cynical corporate capitalist sense only the end product should matter. But the world is more complicated than that.

In any case Western economies won't be able to compete with manufacturing that is heavily subsidised by the Chinese government (with the possible usage of indentured labour), so there will be tariffs to protect their own business interests.

Finally, there's more to cars than just how pretty the interior looks. It needs to be able to last, and then there are the electromechanical and safety systems. We'll see what the future holds.

 

[KiwiRob]

Chinese workers have it at least as good if not better than the US. Retirement age is 55 for women, 60 for men. holiday pay is 10-15 days per year, or more depending on employer, pensions are paid by the state, plus employers have to pay an additional 8% to the employees defined contribution pension plan, sick leave is anywhere from 3 to 24 months, healthcare is provided by the state. Maternity leave is 158 days plus 15 days for each child of a multiple birth pregnancy at full pay. 90% of Chinese own there own home, compared to 65% of Americans and 47% of Germans. China also has a high savings rate, better than all bar 3 European countries, Ireland, Luxemborg and San Marino.

A lot of the components in vehicles today come from China, I learned this a couple of months ago, most car glass for manufacturers throughout the entire world is made in China. The back window of my mini was smashed, it went to BMW to be repaired, I was chatting to the guy whilst he did the job, the new window came out of a box with made in China stamped on it.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Chinese workers have it at least as good if not better than the US. Retirement age is 55 for women, 60 for men. holiday pay is 10-15 days per year, or more depending on employer, pensions are paid by the state, plus employers have to pay an additional 8% to the employees defined contribution pension plan, sick leave is anywhere from 3 to 24 months, healthcare is provided by the state. Maternity leave is 158 days plus 15 days for each child of a multiple birth pregnancy at full pay.

But don’t suddenly do a conveniant switch from Europe to US. US has very few vacation days compared to European countries, and almost a lack of a public social security system.

 

[Sunny]

Chinese workers have it at least as good if not better than the US.

Your stupidity is mind blowing! US workers have the right to free speech, right to vote. When a Chinese worker have the right to say f#ck Xi in his ass, as a US worker has to say f#ck Biden in his, come back.

 

[KiwiRob]

Your stupidity is mind blowing! US workers have the right to free speech, right to vote. When a Chinese worker have the right to say f#ck Xi in his ass, as a US worker has to say f#ck Biden in his, come back.

Got it wrong again Sunny. We're only discussing working conditions nothing else. Working conditions for most US workers are hardly world class.

If you want to take about free speech, lets give it a go, you can say what you like, but if the person you're talking about doesn't like it you are not free from the consequences of that free speech. Everyone can vote hooray, but due to the undemocratic nature of the EC most peoples votes don't count, only the voters in a handful of swing states decide who wins POTUS.

 

[aofelix]

HI, I've just bought an EQS 350. Should be arriving soon.

Is the 350 ok for a car this big? I wanted to keep my insurance down. The 450 costs £11-15k more, and will mean £1k more on insurance.

It's my first mercedes/electric/car. Thanks for any advice.

Range is likely not an issue. Have a charger at home. Longest journey will be 50km . My girlfriend has a charger at hers.

 

[aofelix]

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Mercedes EQS Facelift 2025

Hmm.. is it going to be that different to the current one they're selling with badge?

I'm about to to seal deal on EQS 350, £950 a month with 1k deposit for 4 years. Seems like an ok deal with option to trade in at year 3 or 4.

I'd like to hold off for face lift but seems a bit risky that I won't get 0% APR 0% interest. without that deal - I don't think I can afford the car.

 

[aofelix]

hi I bought EQS. amazing car.

I have to be that annoying person and say EQS cars do have a TINY amount of coil whine from the front driver portion if you are in TOTAL silence in the car. any music talking or driving noise u can't hear it but in total silence there is a subtle coil whine coming from front screen. someone else's posted about it on MB world.

not huge deal but with mentioning for other EQS owners and prospective owners.

 

[fortuner]

hi I bought EQS. amazing car.

I have to be that annoying person and say EQS cars do have a TINY amount of coil whine from the front driver portion if you are in TOTAL silence in the car. any music talking or driving noise u can't hear it but in total silence there is a subtle coil whine coming from front screen. someone else's posted about it on MB world.

not huge deal but with mentioning for other EQS owners and prospective owners.

How is your general experience driving the EQS the quality and impressions co pared maybe to past cars owned or driven

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

hi I bought EQS. amazing car.

I have to be that annoying person and say EQS cars do have a TINY amount of coil whine from the front driver portion if you are in TOTAL silence in the car. any music talking or driving noise u can't hear it but in total silence there is a subtle coil whine coming from front screen. someone else's posted about it on MB world.

not huge deal but with mentioning for other EQS owners and prospective owners.

I'm glad you're enjoying your car.

 

[tennmb]

Chinese workers have it at least as good if not better than the US. Retirement age is 55 for women, 60 for men. holiday pay is 10-15 days per year, or more depending on employer, pensions are paid by the state, plus employers have to pay an additional 8% to the employees defined contribution pension plan, sick leave is anywhere from 3 to 24 months, healthcare is provided by the state. Maternity leave is 158 days plus 15 days for each child of a multiple birth pregnancy at full pay. 90% of Chinese own there own home, compared to 65% of Americans and 47% of Germans. China also has a high savings rate, better than all bar 3 European countries, Ireland, Luxemborg and San Marino.

A lot of the components in vehicles today come from China, I learned this a couple of months ago, most car glass for manufacturers throughout the entire world is made in China. The back window of my mini was smashed, it went to BMW to be repaired, I was chatting to the guy whilst he did the job, the new window came out of a box with made in China stamped on it.

You

Got it wrong again Sunny. We're only discussing working conditions nothing else. Working conditions for most US workers are hardly world class.

If you want to take about free speech, lets give it a go, you can say what you like, but if the person you're talking about doesn't like it you are not free from the consequences of that free speech. Everyone can vote hooray, but due to the undemocratic nature of the EC most peoples votes don't count, only the voters in a handful of swing states decide who wins POTUS.

Huh? Have you visited a US factory? I've worked for Benz for 26+ years. I've toured multiple factories in the US. The most hilarious thing is you believe statistics that are provided by a the Chinese controlled propaganda machine. I have family that actually lived in China. A factory worker is far from better off. Geez.

 

[leylandi]

Mercedes EQS schlägt sie alle im ADAC Wintertest

Der ADAC hat 25 E-Autos bei 0 Grad von München nach Berlin getestet - der Mercedes EQS schafft die Stecke ohne Ladestopp

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Platz	Model	Reichweite/ Restreichweite	WLTP Reichweite	Abweichung von WLTP Angabe in %	Test	WLTP	Nachgeladene km in 20 min
1	Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+	582 /18	817	-27%	20,4	16,4	304
2	Lucid Air Grand Touring AWD	518	839	-38%	23	14,9	255
3	Porsche Taycan Perf. Plus	504	667	-24%	21,4	17,4	370
4	VW ID.7 PRO S	436	700	-38%	20,9	13,6	261
5	Tesla Model 3 LR RWD	423	702	-40%	21	12,5	207
6	NIO ET 5 LR	421	532	-21%	22,7	20,7	239
7	BMW iX xDrive50	413	633	-35%	27,4	19,5	198
8	Audi S e-tron GT	398	605	-34%	27,1	18,2	294
9	KIA EV3 81.4	350	586	-40%	24,2	15,5	169
10	Polestar 2 LR SM	349	632	-45%	25	15,4	193
11	Hyundai IONIQ 6 77.4 RWD	344	614	-44%	23,8	14,3	222
12	Lotus Emeya	335	540	-38%	29,1	20,1	289
13	Ford Capri ER RWD	332	627	-47%	24	13,3	178
14	XPeng G6 LR	325	570	-43%	27,7	17,5	231
15	Cupra Born VZ	325	594	-45%	25,3	14,9	201
16	Skoda Enyaq Coupé 85	316	566	-44%	25,7	15,7	188
17	Renault Scenic E-Tech 220	314	594	-47%	29,8	17,7	122
18	Nissan Ariya 87 FWD	314	516	-39%	28	18,7	131
19	GWM ORA 07 AWD	304	520	-42%	26,8	17,5	104
20	BYD Seal RWD	294	570	-48%	28,4	16,6	140
21	Volvo EC40 SM ER	285	569	-50%	30,3	16,6	154
22	Genesis GV60 RWD	278	517	-46%	29,5	17	195
23	Peugeot e-3008 210	263	518	-49%	28,5	17,1	123
24	MG 4 ER	254	520	-51%	29,8	16,5	130
25	Toyota BZ4X FWD	233	504	-54%	25,6	14,7	126

 

[Merc1]

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[klier]

What are we looking at?

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A zero degrees Celcius test (32 Fahrenheit) of EV cars driving from Munich to Berlin (500 km). The EQS did it without having to stop.

Chinese workers have it at least as good if not better than the US.

What an utterly insane shill comment.

 

[Design FIRST]

In the sum of the ADAC statistics posted, the Porsche Taycan with the Performance + battery looks compelling. What is strange is the rather poor data for the Audi S eTron GT.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

In the sum of the ADAC statistics posted, the Porsche Taycan with the Performance + battery looks compelling. What is strange is the rather poor data for the Audi S eTron GT.

And i expect a lot more from Lucid also - this car is hyped in the us but here in Europe it just doesn't perform. Media bias? Similar to Cadillac and Lexus winning test in the USA?

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

And i expect a lot more from Lucid also - this car is hyped in the us but here in Europe it just doesn't perform. Media bias? Similar to Cadillac and Lexus winning test in the USA?

The Lucid has great driving dynamics apparently. But that doesn't really mean anything in range tests.

 

[Rolf]

I am not really a big fan of the EQS as it does look so odd and different to every other Mercedes saloon but thought I would spec it up in the Manufaktur specs and it does look a whole lot better in this colour spec Rubellirot with a brown interior.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I am not really a big fan of the EQS as it does look so odd and different to every other Mercedes saloon but thought I would spec it up in the Manufaktur specs and it does look a whole lot better in this colour spec Rubellirot with a brown interior.

That colour is stunning. On a better looking car it would be amazing.
A C217 S coupe, would look delicious.