E-Class (W213/C238/A238) [Official] Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213

[klier]

It's not a non-issue. Naming convention is important. And E43 works well to position the product below E63. Just like X5 30d works well to position the product below X5 M50d. And those two even have the same displacement ;-)

It's not important to me, as the brands these days make up names without any relation to the engine.

 

[Amat46]

How likely is that having the 43 brand prevent a customer from buying one of those core variants? Would a prospective customer for lets say next E63 walks away from the dealership when they see few 43 branded cars on the same shop floor just because they are less exclusive'? Well I don't think so. Me personally do not have any issue with the 43 branding as long the core variants exceeds customer expectations.

If the 43 branding would enable AMG to sell more vehicles and make more money, why not? More money equals more investment on R&D which in turn means core variants packed with even more technologies. Do anyone think developing technologies like rear wheel steer, KERS like technology to name a few on road going cars are free and incur zero cost?

 

[Laurent T]

The E63 will be superior in more than a mere suspension tweak. The E43 has air body control all round while the E63 will most likely have steel springs and conventional shocks, have a ton better brakes and ceramic as an option, better technology and luxury inside the cabin, a wider track and wider front guards to accommodate the modified track and suspension setup, different steering setup to a normal E-Class, different body panels to the normal e class, better seats, better transmission better diff, better exhaust, better interior etc etc and i'm not even going to mention the better engine and performance into this mix as that is a ton better also, i would own E63 > E43. Hence why the price will be double too.
The E43 is just a diluting the AMG brand in my honest opinion too many glorified AMG models these days.

My humble opinion : Of course an E63 will be superior, otherwise it wouldn't exist ! But the question is who really needs it and why. I am unfortunately not in a position to buy such a car, but having had the occasion to drive on the road the current M3, I came to the conclusion that sometimes more is not necessarily the best for everyone.
My point is :
- Somebody wants the most power, the best of the best, the most luxury, to show that he is not like the others, has more money, then he gets the E63... good for him. Will he really benefits from it and uses all the additional stuff ? I doubt depending on which country he lives in, because not everywhere in the world you can you such cars at full power (living in France, I know it is almost impossible within the respect of law...). Will he drive it on a circuit ? I doubt as well. I am curious to know who really takes an E63 to a circuit ?
- You want a faster car with some sporty features but don't want to compromise everything (comfort in particular), then the E43 seems on paper to be the perfect match and I am sure it will get a good pannel of prospective buyers. I know that with the money to buy such a car and having a family, I would not compromise comfort above track performance. Poor riding comfort is a no go for me and that's what got me tired from the M3/M4 when I drove it. So, a comfortable E43 with more than decent performances would be for me the ideal car compared to the what could be the maximum perfomance E63. It will still outperform 99% of what is on the road... I don't care about the remaining 1%. I used to dream of the E63, but now that the E43 exists, I would rather dream of it. And I think you can get Designo interior if you want more exclusivity inside.
That's only my two cents on the issue...

 

[DjordjeC63]

What suspension type E63 W211/W212 and ML63 W164/W166 use? Air, combination of air and steel springs or just steel springs?

 

[lukeswiss]

I don't think they ever had air suspension, just steel, someone correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Wolfgang]

^ Some info from AMG.

E63 (W212)

All E 63 AMG models feature the AMG RIDE CONTROL sports suspension with electronically controlled damping system. The front axle employs a steel-spring suspension system, while the rear axle is fitted with a fully load-bearing air suspension system. Pressing the button marked with a shock absorber in the AMG DRIVE UNIT is sufficient to switch the electronics from "Comfort" to "Sport" or "Sport plus". The three-link front suspension has undergone further optimization for the S-Model and the E 63 AMG with all-wheel drive. In conjunction with the newly developed axle components produced in aluminum, these optimization measures result in markedly enhanced grip and agility combined with a high level of neutrality during fast cornering.


ML63/GLE63 (X166)

The combination of air suspension and the Adaptive Damping System ADS PLUS provides good ride comfort whilst also ensuring excellent driving dynamics both on and off-road. The damping at each wheel is adapted to the current driving situation, and can be set for more comfortable or sporty characteristics as required.

The AIRMATIC package at a glance:

• Air suspension combined with the Adaptive Damping System ADS PLUS for improvements in ride comfort and driving dynamics
• "Comfort" and "Sport" settings for a more comfortable or sportier setup
• Constant vehicle level irrespective of load thanks to pneumatic all-round self-levelling suspension
• Level can be raised on rough roads
• Automatic lowering to the sport level (-15 mm) from a speed of 80 km/h in "Comfort" transmission mode
• Lowering by -15 mm in "Sport" transmission mode and by -25 mm in "Sport+" mode compared with "Comfort" mode

Gliding through corners as if on rails – the active suspension stabilizers of the ACTIVE CURVE SYSTEM help reduce the rolling motion of the vehicle and so add to driving comfort when on the road. At the same time the system improves both agility and the fun of driving at mid-range speeds on country roads, as well as driving stability and straight-line running at high speeds on the motorway. In off-road situations, the greater degree of articulation improves traction.

The ACTIVE CURVE SYSTEM comprises the following elements:

• Active suspension stabilizers on each axle
• Hydraulic pump with oil reservoir
• Valve blocks front / rear
• Electronic control unit
• Pressure sensors and lateral acceleration sensor

 

[Sovereign]

For me it does not make any difference if Mercedes calls the car E43 or E450. IMO, these number based model designations are not as powerful in recognition as name based nomenclature like the Phantom or Mulsanne, or Corolla except maybe the 911 designation of Porsche. Instead MB should focus on making the AMG brand more exclusive. When the Mercedes brand has the cachet to sell higher priced cars and with sports package options, why put the AMG brand on every other model. And I am feeling that the same is going to happen with Maybach. After the E Maybach, maybe there is a C Maybach in the background.

 

[Wolfgang]

^ Haven't heard any C Maybach rumors yet.


Spy Shots: Mercedes-Benz E-Class Maybach is Almost Naked in China
PUBLISHED ON MARCH 16, 2016 BY TYCHO DE FEIJTER

Spectacular Spy Shots of the new Mercedes-Benz E-Class Maybach in China, showing a white example without much camouflage. The Maybach E-Class is the luxurious and stretched variant of the upcoming 2017 W-213 E-Class sedan.

The Maybach will be extended by about 20 centimeters. It seems to have a larger door than the regular E and it will have a partially enclosed third-rear window, just like the S-Class Maybach.

The car in front appears to be the new Mercedes-Benz E-Class L, the regular stretched E-Class for the Chinese market. The E-Class L will be extended by 14 centimeters. It will be manufactured in China by theBeijing-Benz joint venture.

The Maybach is essentially a stretched variant of the E-Class L, but it will only be made in Germany. The E-Class L will debut on the Beijing Auto Show next month, the Maybach is expected to debut on the Frankfurt Motor Show in September.

The E-Class Maybach will be available as E400 (333hp twin-turbo 3.0 six) and as E350e plug-in hybrid.

http://www.carnewschina.com/2016/03...enz-e-class-maybach-is-almost-naked-in-china/

 

[HUTSUTAo]

^ Haven't heard any C Maybach rumors yet.


Spy Shots: Mercedes-Benz E-Class Maybach is Almost Naked in China
PUBLISHED ON MARCH 16, 2016 BY TYCHO DE FEIJTER

Spectacular Spy Shots of the new Mercedes-Benz E-Class Maybach in China, showing a white example without much camouflage. The Maybach E-Class is the luxurious and stretched variant of the upcoming 2017 W-213 E-Class sedan.

The Maybach will be extended by about 20 centimeters. It seems to have a larger door than the regular E and it will have a partially enclosed third-rear window, just like the S-Class Maybach.

The car in front appears to be the new Mercedes-Benz E-Class L, the regular stretched E-Class for the Chinese market. The E-Class L will be extended by 14 centimeters. It will be manufactured in China by theBeijing-Benz joint venture.

The Maybach is essentially a stretched variant of the E-Class L, but it will only be made in Germany. The E-Class L will debut on the Beijing Auto Show next month, the Maybach is expected to debut on the Frankfurt Motor Show in September.

The E-Class Maybach will be available as E400 (333hp twin-turbo 3.0 six) and as E350e plug-in hybrid.

http://www.carnewschina.com/2016/03...enz-e-class-maybach-is-almost-naked-in-china/

i am confused. So there is a lwb(non maybach) and xlwb maybach available in China?

ps:The reveal of the maybach in China will be real soon based on the spy shots

 

[gmeup]

Yes, of course brakes etc blah blah. Do I have to write an essay when I'm tired? You get the point..

Its just i think E63 should be the only amg model in the e class range and everything else below should be an amg sport pack there are too many AMG models in the line up which in turn dilutes the premium and exclusivity of the brand.

 

[gmeup]

My humble opinion : Of course an E63 will be superior, otherwise it wouldn't exist ! But the question is who really needs it and why. I am unfortunately not in a position to buy such a car, but having had the occasion to drive on the road the current M3, I came to the conclusion that sometimes more is not necessarily the best for everyone.
My point is :
- Somebody wants the most power, the best of the best, the most luxury, to show that he is not like the others, has more money, then he gets the E63... good for him. Will he really benefits from it and uses all the additional stuff ? I doubt depending on which country he lives in, because not everywhere in the world you can you such cars at full power (living in France, I know it is almost impossible within the respect of law...). Will he drive it on a circuit ? I doubt as well. I am curious to know who really takes an E63 to a circuit ?
- You want a faster car with some sporty features but don't want to compromise everything (comfort in particular), then the E43 seems on paper to be the perfect match and I am sure it will get a good pannel of prospective buyers. I know that with the money to buy such a car and having a family, I would not compromise comfort above track performance. Poor riding comfort is a no go for me and that's what got me tired from the M3/M4 when I drove it. So, a comfortable E43 with more than decent performances would be for me the ideal car compared to the what could be the maximum perfomance E63. It will still outperform 99% of what is on the road... I don't care about the remaining 1%. I used to dream of the E63, but now that the E43 exists, I would rather dream of it. And I think you can get Designo interior if you want more exclusivity inside.
That's only my two cents on the issue...

Great points raised and I agree with you for the most part but i guess in answer to your question an E63 owner will choose this car even if they cannot track it or get the most top speed out of it, they will buy it because it is out of reach from most buyers and they want a model that is more exclusive and not to mention the top of the line model at any price point they are not budget conscious, they want performance namely from a V8 and should the V8 be phased out i know they would lose a lot of customers, they want the ultimate in luxury and practically of a 4 door sedan as well.

Bottom line they will pay what ever MB asks so long as they get the most exclusive product in the E-Class range.

 

[gmeup]

What suspension type E63 W211/W212 and ML63 W164/W166 use? Air, combination of air and steel springs or just steel springs?

w211 air, w212 front steel/back air w213 no one knows as yet

 

[Wolfgang]

i am confused. So there is a lwb(non maybach) and xlwb maybach available in China?

ps:The reveal of the maybach in China will be real soon based on the spy shots

Yes. The E-Class L might debut at the Beijing Auto Show next month, while the Mercedes-Maybach E 400 and electric Mercedes-Maybach E 350 e may follow later in the year, perhaps in Paris in September, according to Car News China.

 

[JLBM]

Its just i think E63 should be the only amg model in the e class range and everything else below should be an amg sport pack there are too many AMG models in the line up which in turn dilutes the premium and exclusivity of the brand.

You can get an AMG badged E200 with a four cylinder engine and all the external go-faster kit. Everybody knows the E43 has far sportier performance attributes in a number of areas from output to design. Everybody knows the number 43 sits far below the full-blown 63. AMG as a company is relatively new at Mercedes-Benz and its history was not just on track-focused cars. You could customise your AMG Mercedes just to have the body-kit, or mild suspension modifications, or go all out with the full monty. This is a ridiculous debate.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

Yes. The E-Class L might debut at the Beijing Auto Show next month, while the Mercedes-Maybach E 400 and electric Mercedes-Maybach E 350 e may follow later in the year, perhaps in Paris in September, according to Car News China.

This goes to show how far behind the E CLASS is behind its peers in terms of sales in China.

 

[Kowalski]

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[vios1]

http:///2016/03/der-erste-fahrtest-wo-man-sich-fahren-laesst-die-neue-e-klasse-generation/

Simply stunning...more photos and details at the link above.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

This goes to show how far behind the E CLASS is behind its peers in terms of sales in China.

And all the more reason why MB's growth prospects are so good. The Chinese market is their saviour in a struggling global climate. They're not even close to saturation point there.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

And all the more reason why MB's growth prospects are so good. The Chinese market is their saviour in a struggling global climate. They're not even close to saturation point there.

Sales boost from the e class will only be felt in the second half of the year

 

[Rainer271]

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