911 (991) [Official] 2014 Porsche 911 GT3

[savage-It]

Last interesting pic found .Same source..
That huge wing. ....

 

[Sunny]

918 style steering wheel.

 

[Porsche Guy]

Bigger, faster, stronger. I like all of those things on paper and none of them in the real world when I find my shiny new RS heading off track towards the nearest wall at Nurburgring lap record speeds. Beyond awesome but too much car for me.

 

[PC Valkyrie]

Bigger, faster, stronger. I like all of those things on paper and none of them in the real world when I find my shiny new RS heading off track towards the nearest wall at Nurburgring lap record speeds. Beyond awesome but too much car for me.

Yes, but you don't have to drive the car beyond your limits if you don't want to.

I look forward to seeing the final spec of this supposed "GT3 RS". Just how much faster and how much more hard core will it be compared to the 991 GT3? It will be interesting to see what Porsche comes up with.

 

[Porsche Guy]

Yes, but you don't have to drive the car beyond your limits if you don't want to.

True but driving at the car's limit is where all the fun is at and the limit of this car is going to be insanely high (and fast).

 

[savage-It]

True but driving at the car's limit is where all the fun is at and the limit of this car is going to be insanely high (and fast).

there is another possibility: find a track that is well below the car possibilities. And drive her hard there. You will feel an hero since you will reach the race track limits without to reach the car limits.
It functions, I assure you..

 

[savage-It]

Last interesting pic found .Same source..
That huge wing. ....

I imagine this car with summer tires and so, larger and taller ones with special race oriented wheels (21" rear tires as supposed?)...
I imagine this car with special colors too...I imagine too much..I know..

 

[Porsche Guy]

there is another possibility: find a track that is well below the car possibilities. And drive her hard there. You will feel an hero since you will reach the race track limits without to reach the car limits.

There is no track limit, only the limits the driver and the car. Which of those two do you think it typically lower?

 

[savage-It]

There is no track limit, only the limits the driver and the car. Which of those two do you think it typically lower?

I think that exist different levels of race tracks.And that the combinations between them, car's and driver's limits are multiple.
For sure when you drive a GT3 at the Ring or Monza you risk proportionally much much more than when you drive the same car in a much slower track. This is what I meant . And when you drive a car with about 900 kg behind the rear wheels and you are not expert enought, sure you will get more benefits by using her in a slower race track."But" using the Gt3 in a slower race track translates at the same time in an huge satisfaction for the medium driver since at that moment the huge traction and the lower inertia of the car will trasform you in an quite good pilot since the limits of the car will be much higher than the limits of the driver.We are speaking at the end, about a fantastic tool, the Gt3, and who tested the car on race tracks probably agrees.Gt3 has fantastic traction, fantastic brakes and fantastic handling during a turn.All these factors combined with the trail braking tecniques, give really the feeling to the driver to be part of the party and not just a spectator of the events.This specific car on twisty roads or slower race tracks delivers huge satisfaction...without to risk too much,this is the point in my opinion .I can assure you that it is much more confortable and safe to race with this car than with an M3/M4 for example.I would like to know the opinions of other Gt3 drivers here. This is just my specific experience of medium driver with "some" experience on different race tracks.

 

[kingjr9000]

I wonder if they'll say what it's downforce is so we can compare it to the upcoming mclaren 675 based only on numbers.

 

[kingjr9000]

There are a few rumors swimming around on rennteam, if any on you have any info on these as well, please chime in.

(Quote)I was told the next 960 is the base for the next race car ( like ferrari 458 gt3 and audi R8 lms etc...) the cayman GT4 is a new way for a race car ( championship etc..)

and he say me the 991 GT3 RS is the last gt3 (big surprise for me...) all the 991 GT3 RS finish delivered in september....because euro N6 rules start in September. (End quote)

(Quote)
Putting all the rumors and facts from the past weeks together,

991.2 will get turbo engines,

no 911 will ever get 4 cyl. engines, according to a Auto Motor und Sport interview with Wolfgang Hatz,

992 Turbo is about to be a plugin Hybrid, according to some rumors here and Hatz confirming in the interview mentioned above, that next Gen 911 will be ready for a hybrid drivetrain.

The end of the GT3 seems very unlike to me, but in one case:

960 will be developed at the Motorsports department and therefore they need as much capacity as possible. So they have developed a GT3 class 991 GT3 that will debut this year with the coming GT3 RS as homologation basis. The Cayman GT4 is developed and its potential race version will become the successor of the GT3 Cup cars in Carrera Cup and Super Cup.

For 2017, maybe even 2016 (but this seems very unlike), GTE regulations are set to change, so Walliser already had to decide how to go on in GT racing and for many reasons the 960 is the best option IMO. Now it seems likely to develop road car and race car in the same process as Corvette and Viper did with their GTE cars. (End quote)

 

[kingjr9000]

This is from rennlist.

Quote:
Originally Posted by brake dust

Eduardo, great posts - as usual. Should start a sticky thread on the 960.

Interesting that Porsche may be going to a flat 8 vs. a V8 in the 960. Thought they would use the 918 lump. What is the likelihood of the flat 8 being used in a 911RSR? The current 911RSR is not very competitive - even with a full factory effort. Or are we seeing the end of the 911 being raced in top flight endurance racing in favor of the mid engine 960. (End quote)


Thanks, brake dust. All good questions re: the motor! I think that Porsche is looking at all options but turbocharging appears the most likely to be used since it's the most fuel efficient. That will give Porsche a 'politically correct' engine in these 'Green-Era' of the motorsports without resorting initially to a heavier Hybrid solution (like they did with the 918). But it all will depend on what final agreement is reached by the FIA-ACO regarding future gt racing regulations since that is the targeted 'class' where Porsche must compete and, hopefully, dominate!

http://sportscar365.com/gt/gt-convergence-called-off/

So at present the 911RSRbanner is being kept alive by an all-out effort of the factory team, which includes Porsche Motorsports & Porsche-controlled Manthey Racing! The independent/privately-owned Porsche teams, which had been the mainstay of Porsche competition racing in past years (e.g. Flying Lizard, TRG, et al.), have mostly now abandoned Porsche. That is perhaps the best indication we have that the Porsche 911-based gt motorsport program is presently in serious trouble, since they have few paying customers for new race cars or replacement parts & engines! Financially, that will eventually spell the end to the Porsche motorsport program unless they can make it profitable again by having a competitive model that attracts, as in the past, a large number of 'private' racing customers world-wide. So Porsche needs a competitive sport car in this category for 'prestige' & keeping up its 'winning reputation'. But as importantly, they also need a profitable racing/production model that will be in wide demand and add to their bottom line!

So who/what is coming to the rescue? My bet is that 'the-great-white-hope' will be totally new competition model - the Fe-Fi 960/988!


Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/756646-2017-porsche-960-is-there-a-market-for-it-9.html

 

[Porsche Guy]

So at present the 911RSRbanner is being kept alive by an all-out effort of the factory team, which includes Porsche Motorsports & Porsche-controlled Manthey Racing! The independent/privately-owned Porsche teams, which had been the mainstay of Porsche competition racing in past years (e.g. Flying Lizard, TRG, et al.), have mostly now abandoned Porsche. That is perhaps the best indication we have that the Porsche 911-based gt motorsport program is presently in serious trouble, since they have few paying customers for new race cars or replacement parts & engines! Financially, that will eventually spell the end to the Porsche motorsport program unless they can make it profitable again by having a competitive model that attracts, as in the past, a large number of 'private' racing customers world-wide. So Porsche needs a competitive sport car in this category for 'prestige' & keeping up its 'winning reputation'. But as importantly, they also need a profitable racing/production model that will be in wide demand and add to their bottom line!

Porsche Motorsport has been focused on developing the 918 and 919 over the last 3-4 years. The 911 GT3 Cup and RSR variants have been somewhat neglected as a result. I read an article in Christophorus, a Porsche propaganda magazine, which interviewed the head of Porsche Motorsports department and he confirmed this. Wonder why the 991 GT3 Cup still runs the last generation Mezger instead of the 991's 9A1? With 918 development finished and the 919 in its second season, more resources can be directed to the GT3 cars.

I do not see Porsche abandoning the 911 in motor sports. It is tremendously profitable for Porsche. The Porsche GT3 Cup has multiple race series (North America, Europe, Middle East & Asia), Until I see a single spy photo of this supposed 960, I don't believe those rumors. Do you honestly think Porsche is going to develop a new flat 8 in the midst of the incredibly strict emissions standards arriving over the next decade? That doesn't make any sense. I am fairly certain there will be a NA flat 6 991.2 GT3. Beyond that, I am willing to bet everything with be forced induction and/or hybrid.

 

[Sunny]

Every time a new RS is about to be released, these rumors emerge about how the coming one will be the last. Dealers use it to good effect to charge exorbitant mark ups. Few people payed around $180k for 997.1 RS based on how it was the last RS.

I have no inside information what so ever. But I will bet a good bottle of scotch that -

Porsche will continue to make GT3 and GT3 RS. Unlike 996 versions when their main motivation was homologation, they are money makers now in both direct sales and image. They are not going to ditch it anytime soon. GT4 will exist in parallel and do the same for the Cayman line. The fact they are also making a GT model for Cayman should tell you the GT line up is getting stronger, not weaker.

Most 991.2 models will probably go turbo, but 991.2 GT3/RS will remain NA.

992 GT3/RS will also likely remain NA + hybrid like 918.

They will also continue to race 911 RSR and Cups. They might not be the outright fastest, but they never were and yet somehow win races.

960 is just vapor ware at this point. There is not even a prototype running around. Even if they make one now, it is probably 4-5 years away.

 

[klier]

992 will also likely remain NA + hybrid like 918.

That would be perfect.
BMW should take notice.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Every time a new RS is about to be released, these rumors emerge about how the coming one will be the last. Dealers use it to good effect to charge exorbitant mark ups. Few people payed around $180k for 997.1 RS based on how it was the last RS.

I have no inside information what so ever. But I will bet a good bottle of scotch that -

Porsche will continue to make GT3 and GT3 RS. Unlike 996 versions when their main motivation was homologation, they are money makers now in both direct sales and image. They are not going to ditch it anytime soon. GT4 will exist in parallel and do the same for the Cayman line. The fact they are also making a GT model for Cayman should tell you the GT line up is getting stronger, not weaker.

Most 991.2 models will probably go turbo, but 991.2 GT3/RS will remain NA.

992 GT3/RS will also likely remain NA + hybrid like 918.

They will also continue to race 911 RSR and Cups. They might not be the outright fastest, but they never were and yet somehow win races.

960 is just vapor ware at this point. There is not even a prototype running around. Even if they make one now, it is probably 4-5 years away.

You really think that the 992 GT3 will go hybrid? If that's the case, this is one of those instants I had a buttload of money so I can land the 991 GT3.

BTW, I am just perfectly content with a 10-year Laphroaig or a Macallan's 12...none of that hoity-toity stuff for me.

 

[Sunny]

You really think that the 992 GT3 will go hybrid? If that's the case, this is one of those instants I had a buttload of money so I can land the 991 GT3.

Yea, I think so, but just an educated guess. Even a wishful one, cause I think that is the only chance for GT3 to still continue to use a NA engine and not go the dreadful route of turbos. Heck, I think it would even need it to be competitive against the onslaught of hybrid and/or turbo sports cars - NSX, next GTR, 458M...

And I don't think it will be a bad move either. 918 has got a lot a accolades. I would think or wish the GT3 would get a "less frills, more hardcore" version of it with probably no "electric only" mode to reduce the amount of batteries and weight. And as far as driving involvement goes, a well executed hybrid system, like the LaFerrari has shown, would be transparent and would be even less of a jump than say the move from manual to PDK .

And don't forget, a GT3 hybrid even has a racing precedence. Porsche campaigned a hybrid 997 GT3 R Hybrid couple of years ago.

BTW, I am just perfectly content with a 10-year Laphroaig or a Macallan's 12...none of that hoity-toity stuff for me.

Make that a 15 year Glenlivet .

 

[kingjr9000]

From rennteam,

According to Andrew Frankel, the GT3 RS will have a NEW engine:

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[PC Valkyrie]

It is highly unlikely that a completely brand new engine is going to be used in the upcoming 991 GT3 RS. More than likely, it will be a derivative of the existing 9A1 engine in the 991 GT3.......perhaps a slightly bigger sized version (like 4.0L) to generate more power. Without forced induction, there are only so many ways to produce more power........it is likely the 9A1 engine in the 991 GT3 is already close to the maximum of what it can produce given its natural aspiration while maintaining a reasonable reliability rate.

 

[Soup]

From rennteam,

According to Andrew Frankel, the GT3 RS will have a NEW engine (Autocar)