Vs Mercedes S-Class vs. BMW 7-series

[nikola1984]

"I'm sorry, I don't speak german"
Bat you probably learned in school numbers. .

 

[SKY]

Yeah sales never matter when the other cheerleader's brand isn't the one selling the most. Typical.


M

Of course. And same goes with test drives and so on IMO. Of course, the S-Class has been the car that has ever sold the most here. And I don´t think it is because customers are stupid and simply go with it. But it does not have to mean every S-Class is better than its rivals. I am pretty sure the W220 outsold the A8 D3. And, as far as I know, that car was vastly superior to the W220 (probably the only time an A8 has been better than the equivalent S-Class).

What about those quality reports some fans here use to post? JD or something like that no? I would rather use that as a measure to know which car is better than simply sales figures.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Not sure how sales really matter. At the end of the day it is just an excuse for some dudes on the internet to cheerlead about his/her brand.

Sales does matter in an other way. The more cars are sold, the more profit goes to the company. The more profit, the more money for development and high quality. The more money for development/high quality etc. the better for us, the customer.
Speaking on a personal note: I don't give sh!t which car outsells the other. I'd rather have the S-Klasse was a bit more "special", not a 100.000 units per annum seller. If I were consequent I should be driving a Maserati or some other exotic product. But those don't offer what my S-Klasse offers me day in, day out.

 

[montana]

"I'm sorry, I don't speak german"
Bat you probably learned in school numbers. .

You think a car is just about numbers? All right then..

 

[Merc1]

Of course. And same goes with test drives and so on IMO. Of course, the S-Class has been the car that has ever sold the most here. And I don´t think it is because customers are stupid and simply go with it. But it does not have to mean every S-Class is better than its rivals. I am pretty sure the W220 outsold the A8 D3. And, as far as I know, that car was vastly superior to the W220 (probably the only time an A8 has been better than the equivalent S-Class).

What about those quality reports some fans here use to post? JD or something like that no? I would rather use that as a measure to know which car is better than simply sales figures.

Oh for sure, the W220 was a Shremp era car, and it was pretty piece of near-junk IMO. A total embarrassment.

M

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Oh for sure, the W220 was a Shremp era car, and it was pretty piece of near-junk IMO. A total embarrassment.

M

W220 was even more felt as an obvious lesser S-Klasse, because the difference in perceived and real quality between it's predecessor the W140 and W220 was enormous.

 

[MercFan]

What exactly makes the 7-Series better?

M

7 series has a better suspension and ride quality. That's enough to call it a better car.

 

[Merc1]

7 series has a better suspension and ride quality. That's enough to call it a better car.

Nope. Nonsense. I've seen other reviews where they still say the S rides better and ride quality by no means makes one car better than other. Otherwise I can get a Kia or Hyundai that rides "better", i.e. softer and call it a better car.

M

 

[Matski]

Sales does matter in an other way. The more cars are sold, the more profit goes to the company. The more profit, the more money for development and high quality. The more money for development/high quality etc. the better for us, the

I feel this is greatly over simplifying things. There's an old saying that turnover is for vanity, and profit is for sanity. Just because a company sells more, it doesn't mean it makes more profit... and to confuse things further, Audi is supported by R & D and purchasing power by VW, BMW have an additional revenue stream from MINI and Rolls Royce, Mercedes generates significant profits from the commercial vehicles division. Throw all this in to the mix and the difference in unit sales between these three brands starts to seem less important.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Oh for sure, the W220 was a Shremp era car, and it was pretty piece of near-junk IMO. A total embarrassment.

M

No doubt, the pre FL W220 was a quality disaster. But it's advancements in technology, ride and refinement should not be discounted. It was a technical tour de force when it launched beyond anything it's rivals could muster. And it was a visual knock out.

Yes we can hate on the W220 for its shitty build. Hell my dad had to sell his 2.5 years into ownership because we were so worried about its reliability once the 3 year warranty was up, but my my did it ride superbly and look special. It would draw looks everywhere it went.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

I feel this is greatly over simplifying things. There's an old saying that turnover is for vanity, and profit is for sanity. Just because a company sells more, it doesn't mean it makes more profit... and to confuse things further, Audi is supported by R & D and purchasing power by VW, BMW have an additional revenue stream from MINI and Rolls Royce, Mercedes generates significant profits from the commercial vehicles division. Throw all this in to the mix and the difference in unit sales between these three brands starts to seem less important.

I'm talking about S-klasse: the ultimate milkcow of Mercedes-Benz. There's no other car in the portfolio that throws off more profit. It won't be much different for BMW's 7er

 

[DblPen]

No doubt, the pre FL W220 was a quality disaster. But it's advancements in technology, ride and refinement should not be discounted. It was a technical tour de force when it launched beyond anything it's rivals could muster. And it was a visual knock out.

Yes we can hate on the W220 for its shitty build. Hell my dad had to sell his 2.5 years into ownership because we were so worried about its reliability once the 3 year warranty was up, but my my did it ride superbly and look special. It would draw looks everywhere it went.

Thats a bit strong i would say

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Thats a bit strong i would say

Let's see:
-DISTRONIC
-Keyless Go
-Pre-Safe
-TV + Videotext - whilst driving also for the backseat passengers
-COMAND from Sep/2002 16:9-Format
-Active Body Control
and that's only an enunciative list. I'm sure @Wolfgang can ad a few.

 

[DjordjeC63]

Not sure how sales really matter. At the end of the day it is just an excuse for some dudes on the internet to cheerlead about his/her brand.

Maybe these guys think this is GermanEconomicForum?

 

[klier]

Let's see:
-DISTRONIC
-Keyless Go
-Pre-Safe
-TV + Videotext - whilst driving also for the backseat passengers
-COMAND from Sep/2002 16:9-Format
-Active Body Control
and that's only an enunciative list. I'm sure @Wolfgang can ad a few.

Are we seriously going to start with inventions from both brands again? Pffff....

 

[Zafiro]

Now we now why S-class is a better seller than 7er


Earlier on Friday, Germany's Manager Magazin reported that Uber had placed an order for at least 100,000 Mercedes S-Class cars, citing sources at both companies.

The top-flight limousine, around 100,000 of which Mercedes-Benz sold last year, does not yet have fully autonomous driving functionality.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-daimler-uber-idUSKCN0WK1C8

 

[klier]

Now we now why S-class is a better seller than 7er


Earlier on Friday, Germany's Manager Magazin reported that Uber had placed an order for at least 100,000 Mercedes S-Class cars, citing sources at both companies.

A better taxi. Yes, but we all knew that already.

 

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[klier]

 

[MAJESTIC]

^ Wow the S-Class looks absolutely regal and elegant, even in that poor lighting. I honestly believe Mercedes could keep it as-is for the remainder of its lifespan and it would still look as fresh as the new and upcoming "competition".