Poll The BIG DEBATE (Part 2) - BMW 7 Series (G70) vs Mercedes S-Class (W223)


BMW 7 Series vs Mercedes S-Class - which is better

  • BMW 7 Series (ICE)

  • Mercedes Benz S-Class


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I have to say, I've never had a problem with the direction the 7-er has taken aesthetically (in terms of the exterior), and I accept why people struggle finding it a 'good-looking' car, but now having seen a few more out and about, I'm really liking it a lot more, certainly in my top three 7-ers. I'll still lament the loss of proper flagship versions, but admittedly, for now the relative novelty of the M70 is intriguing, though perhaps somewhat hamstrung on power in order to not outshine the ICE versions too much.

Whereas there's been some blithering on about stuff like the Citroen C4, I can very honestly say the only car I've confused for a G70, was a Rolls-Royce Spectre - on the road it is powerful, it has that level of presence.

The interior, from the drivers seat, I'm still not a fan of. This isn't so much a comment on the design choices of the interior as much as just lamenting the loss of driver focused interiors in favour of lounge style interiors and screens. As far as the back seat goes, I still have no problem with the big screen of the door screens, and it's ample in terms of comfort.

In the real world, the reasons for not buying one are plentiful, but they also apply to all it's competitors - hence, outside of a Euromillions win, it would never even enter into my mind how it would be to own one* - but I think crucially, it is desirable enough that I would buy one, if the circumstances were correct - that's something I legit can't really say about the much more attainable 3-series, for example.
*the day to day practicalities and pros versus cons don't favour such cars for me.

Outside of daydreaming about Euromillions, in the actual real world, I've obviously seen quite a few 7-ers, but disregarding those seen in service around Goodwood, or those around BMW facilities in Munich, I've only seen a couple in the wild (both in London). Surprisingly I don't think I've seen many more S-Classes - again, a couple driving around London (the ratio of G-Class to S-Class being about 3:1 in my personal experience), the W222 being a relatively much more common sight. I'm saying this obviously as a BMW fan, but seeing the 7 feels like an event, it's a bit like seeing a proper Alpina for me (the cruel irony being obvious).

I've even come to be more tolerant of the two tone colour schemes. I saw a Rolls-Royce Ghost Black Badge with a two-tone Black and Blue scheme which looked great, I think the 7-er works best with solid colours when two tone and I wouldn't be against such a thing...

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... the two-tone schemes with the Oxide Grey upper all look pretty terrible in my humble opinion.

And having said all that, I don't have much to say about the S. It doesn't move the needle for me. I think the Hyperscreen is a wasted opportunity on the EQS, and though it's execution probably leaves the interior worse off it could introduce some value to the S, but again, as with the 7, as much as anything I'm just not keen on the current direction of interiors.

Both cars make me appreciate the 3-box saloon, something to be treasured before everything goes the way of blobs and EV's. edit: I meant blobs and SUV's.


edit: I've now edited this post 6 times, man I need more sleep :D
 
Errrr it's a forum. Ofcourse they are personal opinions. Just like it's your personal opinion that you like x, y and z BMW.

Also that the 7 is huge on the outside and not roomier than the S on the inside is actual fact.

That the 7 is vulgar is also actual fact. Hahaha.
This I think:
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Pictures more than a thousand words

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The Mercedes looks surprisingly the more sportier car with its lower and sleeker stance,

I saw a black S-class recently out in the wild. It was parked in the back of a parking lot with no other cars around it, which allowed me to take in its profile from close up and at a distance without any interference. For a big car, it looks relatively low-slung. For some reason, the general profile shape reminds me of a modern-day Alfa Giulia that has been XXL-ed. It takes after more in the vain of the W220 rather than the W126, W140, or W222.

Still haven't seen a G70 7er out in the wild, so I'll reserve my thoughts until I see one. I've been meaning to stop by the nearest dealer, but the nearest dealer is so far out of my way. Plus I'm just lazy these days.
 
The W223 is the best S-Class and maybe even the best luxury car I've ever driven. If it wasn't for the awful brake regen setup on the S500 I'd say it's pretty much the perfect car. Certainly a far better car than our company's EQS 580.
Steering is just right, suspension is out of this world, no longer feels like a boat and yet rides even better, as easy as a C-Class to drive.
You really can't go wrong with the W223.
 
The W223 is the best S-Class and maybe even the best luxury car I've ever driven. If it wasn't for the awful brake regen setup on the S500 I'd say it's pretty much the perfect car. Certainly a far better car than our company's EQS 580.
Steering is just right, suspension is out of this world, no longer feels like a boat and yet rides even better, as easy as a C-Class to drive.
You really can't go wrong with the W223.

You are spot on. The ride and handling balance is beyond exemplary, the steering beautiful and the refinement astounding.
 
Kudos to BMW for elevating itself and accomplishing by far the most difficult task in the industry and more than anything for who the rival is.

Nice read - Top Gear
Battle of the barges: BMW i7 vs Mercedes-Benz S-Class

Since Karl Benz himself was in lederhosen, Mercedes has built the world’s best luxury saloon. Can BMW finally upset the Apfelkarren?

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"After thoroughly evaluating both vehicles, Top Gear concludes that the BMW i7 emerges as the new champion in the luxury sedan world. Despite the S580e’s impressive performance, it falls slightly behind the i7 in terms of overall driving dynamics and rear-seat experience. However, Top Gear acknowledges that the Mercedes-Benz S580e remains an exceptional choice within the S-Class lineup, offering a perfect balance between luxury and green technology. With its significant electric range and powerful hybrid powertrain, the S580e is an enticing option for those seeking both performance and sustainability."

 
These quotes from the Top Gear comparaison, summarize what some of us say and constantly without arguments is tried to undermine by others, perhaps coming from where this text comes from, they can open their minds a little

"It's the anti S-Class. Finally. At long last. I mean how many years, decades, has it taken BMW, Audi et al to realize that mimicry doesn't work? That merely copying the S-Class, the plutocrat's totem-in-chief, isn't enough? OK, BMW has done controversial before. The 2001 7 Series was a square, chiseled bangle block. That was the car that introduced iDrive to the world, and set the tone for all in-car infotainment until the touchscreen came along. Its influence was massive, but despite that it was never a better car than the S-Class."

"The new one is. Truly. Game given away early, but traditional car classes rarely give up on their idols; these are sectors built and molded around the cars that symbolized them: the Golf, Range Rover, BMW 3 Series. And yes, the Mercedes-Benz S-Class.

Shooting one down almost never happens (the Golf scuttled itself). Because you don't build a better car by copying it."
 
First comparison I've read to claim the BMW has superior driving dynamics.
There have only been three that I know of so far, still very rare, but the 7 series beat it in two of them (autogefühl is the other one), there may be more that I'm not aware of
 
Do you have links to these?
1 - The report + a video for the 7er
2 - A video for the S
3 - A tie video
What I don't know if there is another comparo of the i7 vs S-Class

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https://youtu.be/mDfiXnam3eY
 
1 - The report + a video for the 7er
2 - A video for the S
3 - A tie video
What I don't know if there is another comparo of the i7 vs S-Class

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https://youtu.be/mDfiXnam3eY
Thank you. I'll check these out this weekend.
 
Kudos to BMW for elevating itself and accomplishing by far the most difficult task in the industry and more than anything for who the rival is.

Nice read - Top Gear
Battle of the barges: BMW i7 vs Mercedes-Benz S-Class

Since Karl Benz himself was in lederhosen, Mercedes has built the world’s best luxury saloon. Can BMW finally upset the Apfelkarren?

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1691497589553.webp

1691497614766.webp

1691497652989.webp

1691497677354.webp

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"After thoroughly evaluating both vehicles, Top Gear concludes that the BMW i7 emerges as the new champion in the luxury sedan world. Despite the S580e’s impressive performance, it falls slightly behind the i7 in terms of overall driving dynamics and rear-seat experience. However, Top Gear acknowledges that the Mercedes-Benz S580e remains an exceptional choice within the S-Class lineup, offering a perfect balance between luxury and green technology. With its significant electric range and powerful hybrid powertrain, the S580e is an enticing option for those seeking both performance and sustainability."


Top Gear acknowledges the confronting looks of the 7. At this price range a vehicle needs to be a thing of beauty IMO. The S is clearly the beauty queen here.
 

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