Poll BMW 5 Series vs Mercedes E Class


Which has the best overall design ?


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wtf, the screen has a screen?

This was my first complaint about the E when it first debuted.
I would pass on the passenger screen option and go with a full wood layout. It looks so much better. There is a certain level of ambiance about this interior IRL, the same can be said for the 5-Series to tell you the truth.

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I recently received a call invitation by BMW of North America to test-drive the G60 5-Seies.

The models I drove were the I5-eDrive40, and the 590hp i5 M60 xDrive. (This will be a quick driving impression, I have already covered my take on the interior quality and space, I am still quite impressed.) First off, BMW deserves first place for coming up with a classy yet sporty interior design for the 5er as an EV/ ICE vehicle. This is one of the very few EVs that does not come across as a disposable appliance on 4-wheels IMO. It comes across better than a host of other EVs in this regard. Finally sitting in the driver seat, you sit deep in this car. The driver position is excellent as most journalists have noted. The new I-Drive 8.5 is an improvement over 8.0. The system is comprehensive, snappy, and easy to use once you get the learning curve. The only downside of this system is there still seem to be a fair bit of menu diving. The very basics seem to be a little more improved compared to 8.0 with graphics and ease of use. One element took me by surprise. The steering wheel adjustment seems fine but the seat controls have a slow molasses response to them. You take your hand off the desired position and for a split second the seat continues to slow then comes to a stop. It reminded me of a very old Mercedes in this aspect.

I am going to start with the i5-eDrive40 because this is the one I drove first. in Comfort-Mode.
Pulling off the lot into the street, I could not believe the weight I was feeling. This is the very first EV I have ever driven and Lord did it feel heavy! It weighs in at 4916lbs (2229kgs) and I felt every bit of it. Wafting around the streets, still in Comfort Mode.

The i5 eDrive 40 seemed to move around under me which did not inspire any sort of confident sporty driving.
After a bit, I finally put it in Sport Mode. It felt more confident and a little more sure-footed in city driving. The throttle response around town and on the freeway comes on strong but there seems to be a delay in tip-in for safety measures so you don`t feel like you are losing control. Power comes on great at any speed. It feels like it has way more than the listed 340hp. The i5 eDrive 40 has a nice steering weight to it going through a series of turns but like the previous 5-Series, there is little feedback information coming through the steering. In Sport Mode you almost don`t miss the steering feedback because the whole car, as big as it is, is letting you know what's going on, it is almost telepathic in this regard.
Driving the i5 M60 compared to its eDrive40 is a night and day difference!
This car might be 333lbs (151kgs) heavier but the way it masks and manages its weight is quite an achievement. In Comfort Mode, it instantly felt for more tied down than the eDrive 40. In Sport Mode, it felt almost athletic. The seat bolsters pump out and the steering sharpens up. The ride quality on both the cars are quite similar, supple and firm without being floaty. I finally got to drive it on the freeway and boy is the M60 quick with neck-snapping acceleration! The brakes felt twice as capable as the eDrive40 and the overall experience is much more dynamic, controllable, and just fun. For its weight of 5249lbs (2380kg) The i5 M60 is a surprisingly capable driving tool, around town and on the highway. It is positively entertaining.
Reguarding the appearance, the new 5er doesn`t look as bad in the metal as it does in photos IMO.

The new 5er is a capable, well-rounded great driving car in general that certainly checks all the boxes in driving pleasure, and most other key areas. If you want pure driving thrills in a luxury sports EV sedan, get the i5 M60. The i5 eDrive 40 felt like something your father would drive in comparison.
 
I suppose that it would be an effort in futility to determine which of these cars is "better". They are competing in the same target segment and both have loyal customer bases that provide a stable foundation in terms of unit sales for their respective manufacturers. In essence, avoiding splitting hairs and focusing on aspects that are more subjective "feel good" factors (personal perceptions of comfort, material and fit quality, usability, responsiveness and curb/driveway appeal) are what ultimately decide. Some things are measurable, but many others are not. In having said that, I'm left more impressed by the new E-Class range for reasons that are for the most part subjective. I personally like the way it looks inside and out, I personally like the way it "feels" on the inside and although I have yet to drive one, I'm confident that it will be a pleasant experience. The new 5 series simply isn't really my cup of tea. Not because it is an inferior vehicle. I simply prefer the E-Class in the sum of the attributes that I am familiar with.
 
I can assure you, it is.
Mick I was really impressed by your driving impressions on the new E-class. Have you also driven the new 5-series? I would be interested to hear from you on your comments of how they compare.
 
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I recently received a call invitation by BMW of North America to test-drive the G60 5-Seies.

The models I drove were the I5-eDrive40, and the 590hp i5 M60 xDrive. (This will be a quick driving impression, I have already covered my take on the interior quality and space, I am still quite impressed.) First off, BMW deserves first place for coming up with a classy yet sporty interior design for the 5er as an EV/ ICE vehicle. This is one of the very few EVs that does not come across as a disposable appliance on 4-wheels IMO. It comes across better than a host of other EVs in this regard. Finally sitting in the driver seat, you sit deep in this car. The driver position is excellent as most journalists have noted. The new I-Drive 8.5 is an improvement over 8.0. The system is comprehensive, snappy, and easy to use once you get the learning curve. The only downside of this system is there still seem to be a fair bit of menu diving. The very basics seem to be a little more improved compared to 8.0 with graphics and ease of use. One element took me by surprise. The steering wheel adjustment seems fine but the seat controls have a slow molasses response to them. You take your hand off the desired position and for a split second the seat continues to slow then comes to a stop. It reminded me of a very old Mercedes in this aspect.

I am going to start with the i5-eDrive40 because this is the one I drove first. in Comfort-Mode.
Pulling off the lot into the street, I could not believe the weight I was feeling. This is the very first EV I have ever driven and Lord did it feel heavy! It weighs in at 4916lbs (2229kgs) and I felt every bit of it. Wafting around the streets, still in Comfort Mode.

The i5 eDrive 40 seemed to move around under me which did not inspire any sort of confident sporty driving.
After a bit, I finally put it in Sport Mode. It felt more confident and a little more sure-footed in city driving. The throttle response around town and on the freeway comes on strong but there seems to be a delay in tip-in for safety measures so you don`t feel like you are losing control. Power comes on great at any speed. It feels like it has way more than the listed 340hp. The i5 eDrive 40 has a nice steering weight to it going through a series of turns but like the previous 5-Series, there is little feedback information coming through the steering. In Sport Mode you almost don`t miss the steering feedback because the whole car, as big as it is, is letting you know what's going on, it is almost telepathic in this regard.
Driving the i5 M60 compared to its eDrive40 is a night and day difference!
This car might be 333lbs (151kgs) heavier but the way it masks and manages its weight is quite an achievement. In Comfort Mode, it instantly felt for more tied down than the eDrive 40. In Sport Mode, it felt almost athletic. The seat bolsters pump out and the steering sharpens up. The ride quality on both the cars are quite similar, supple and firm without being floaty. I finally got to drive it on the freeway and boy is the M60 quick with neck-snapping acceleration! The brakes felt twice as capable as the eDrive40 and the overall experience is much more dynamic, controllable, and just fun. For its weight of 5249lbs (2380kg) The i5 M60 is a surprisingly capable driving tool, around town and on the highway. It is positively entertaining.
Reguarding the appearance, the new 5er doesn`t look as bad in the metal as it does in photos IMO.

The new 5er is a capable, well-rounded great driving car in general that certainly checks all the boxes in driving pleasure, and most other key areas. If you want pure driving thrills in a luxury sports EV sedan, get the i5 M60. The i5 eDrive 40 felt like something your father would drive in comparison.
Any idea why the M60 feels more agile? aggressive torque vectoring and rear axle steering?
 
Any idea why the M60 feels more agile? aggressive torque vectoring and rear axle steering?

This particular model did not feature the 4-wheel axle steering. However, it did feature Dynamic Brake Control DBC
and Corner Brake Control CBC. Adaptive suspension was also included.
 
Mick I was really impressed by your driving impressions on the new E-class. Have you also driven the new 5-series? I would be interested to hear from you on your comments of how they compare.
I've sat in it a few times. Next to the driver for about 20 minutes. So I haven't driven it myself. What caught my attention is the use of nasty, cheap plastics throughout the interior.
My impression is described pretty well in this video.
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I'm sorry it's in German. But if I'm not mistaking your German, Rolf, is rather good.
 
Not enough stars.

Not enough pixels, either.
I am a friend of humor, but I do think it's rather sad at what rate perceived interior quality, in a visual and haptic sense, is deteriorating throughout the whole German car industry. All brands suffer form this, Porsche. Mercedes, BMW, Audi, you name it.

Maybe the quality is acceptable/good, from a professional, car industry point of view. But I don't care for that point of view, as customer I only care for my own.
 
I am going to start with the i5-eDrive40 because this is the one I drove first. in Comfort-Mode.
Pulling off the lot into the street, I could not believe the weight I was feeling. This is the very first EV I have ever driven and Lord did it feel heavy! It weighs in at 4916lbs (2229kgs) and I felt every bit of it. Wafting around the streets, still in Comfort Mode.

The i5 eDrive 40 seemed to move around under me which did not inspire any sort of confident sporty driving.
After a bit, I finally put it in Sport Mode.

The eDrive40 appears to not be in M Sport trim. I test drove an i5 eDrive40 M Sport (with the passive M Sport suspension) a few months ago and was blown away by how much it disguised its weight, and how much faster it felt than the figures would suggest. I was very impressed altogether by the way it drove. I was so impressed, in fact, that I ordered one and will be collecting it in three weeks.

In the last few days I've been binge watching YouTube reviews of the i5 eDrive40 for the first time, building my excitement for my new arrival, and it's quietly reassuring when every review has concurred with my own experiences of the drive.
 
The interior is very poor. The 5 series worst in history.

No, that is not the case at all.
sure there are some budget details but it's simply not enough to warrant that the 5er has a bad interior IMO. I have been in 3 now. All three samples were drum-tight with zero rattles or squeaks.
I went to my local AutoShow twice this year, (I have not done that in a long time) to see the new 5er and the E-Class back to back. I can tell you the 5er feels unquestionably more premium than the E-Class. The E is really good this time and has a bit more luxury occasion but the 5er feels better put together as a package. The E has a bit more space but the 5er has slightly better seats.

The eDrive40 appears to not be in M Sport trim. I test drove an i5 eDrive40 M Sport (with the passive M Sport suspension) a few months ago and was blown away by how much it disguised its weight, and how much faster it felt than the figures would suggest. I was very impressed altogether by the way it drove. I was so impressed, in fact, that I ordered one and will be collecting it in three weeks.

In the last few days I've been binge watching YouTube reviews of the i5 eDrive40 for the first time, building my excitement for my new arrival, and it's quietly reassuring when every review has concurred with my own experiences of the drive.

The i5 eDrive40 Sport with the passive M suspension was the one I experienced at the AutoShow. I was hugely impressed with just riding in it.
Congrats on your order.
 
No, that is not the case at all.
sure there are some budget details but it's simply not enough to warrant that the 5er has a bad interior IMO. I have been in 3 now. All three samples were drum-tight with zero rattles or squeaks.
I went to my local AutoShow twice this year, (I have not done that in a long time) to see the new 5er and the E-Class back to back. I can tell you the 5er feels unquestionably more premium than the E-Class. The E is really good this time and has a bit more luxury occasion but the 5er feels better put together as a package. The E has a bit more space but the 5er has slightly better seats.



The i5 eDrive40 Sport with the passive M suspension was the one I experienced at the AutoShow. I was hugely impressed with just riding in it.
Congrats on your order.

When you say it feels more premium, are you talking about the finish or just the build? The 5 has felt more solid than the E since the W213, but the E seems to impress more with finishes and design.
 
I've sat in it a few times. Next to the driver for about 20 minutes. So I haven't driven it myself. What caught my attention is the use of nasty, cheap plastics throughout the interior.
My impression is described pretty well in this video.
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I'm sorry it's in German. But if I'm not mistaking your German, Rolf, is rather good.

Quite a different perception to @GTA45E. How would you compare it to the E Mick?
 

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