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Haha! Nah, the phone didn't hit it hard, but it was enough to scratch it.Still, I'd rather have a scratched iPhone 5 than a S3.
Hahaha. Amen to that.
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Hahaha. Amen to that.
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Haha! Nah, the phone didn't hit it hard, but it was enough to scratch it.
You guys will never give up on any opportunity to have a go at Samsung/Andorid. Fact is there are millions of people who bought the S3 and the iphone5, so just get over this childish baiting, however if you guys want to start round 2 then be my guest.Hahaha. Amen to that.
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Oh c'mon, I think by this point in the thread everyone would just assume it's innocent banter.... Or maybe releasing some negative energy in leu of all the go's Android fans have toward Apple products on about every Apple topic on the web.
P.S: Scott Forstall and John Browett got the can today, showing that Tim Cook ain't messing around. I can't believe Forstall is out, but reports have been circulating that he is very hard to work with and that executives have not been happy with him lately.
The GREAT news? Jony Ive is being named head of all Apple U/I. He is moving up in rankings and will have a leading position in determining all of Apple's upcoming asthenic attributes, both software and hardware wise.
This is epic news, especially considering Ive is every bit as "magical" as Steve Jobs. Ive has always been Apple's secret weapon.
I'm very interested to see what his creative control does for Apple going forward.
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Actually, even though it would appear as if I am a Apple/iPhone fanboy, I am not. At all. I happen to appreciate Samsung's products, there's a reason I bought the Galaxy S and the S II to my father in the first place (was actually about to buy one for my lil brother as well). Lots of my friends have either a S2 or S3, and I really do like the devices. It's just that I wanted to trying something new, and the iPhone, so far, works better for me than the Android phones ever did. Apps run smoother, and the device feels more expensive as well. Why wouldn't I pick the iPhone over the S3?
But who knows.. maybe Android for me next time. Though I doubt it.
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Big news. Scott Forstall is being let go. I've said it since I bought a WP7 Nokia, iOS is old and need serious updating and it seems like Apple are onboard with the reality that Android and Windows Phone are leaping ahead with innovation with iOS is stagnant.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3573226/scott-forstall-leaving-apple
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3573226/scott-forstall-leaving-apple
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Jony Ive will be head of ALL U/I of Apple going forward, which is amazing news. I've been hoping they would give him a leadership role for so long after Steve passed. With Jony holding the keys to all appearance of Apple going forward, I think we can expect some serious future products.
I think Forstall's work on iOS has been amazing but I think the reasons he's let go is because apparently he's impossible to work with, and has been butting heads with other Execs (Ive and Mansfield in particular) over creative and business stuff. Also, I think Tim Cook sensed stagnation coming from Forstall since Maps came out so "beta" when it wasn't supposed to be, and had to make a strong decision.
Regardless, Tim Cook put his stamp on the company yesterday, and I think Apple will be all the better for it. This is that "direct leadership" that people have been craving from Apple since Jobs left.
Ever since I heard Ive and Forstall were butting heads in a "him or me" kind of way, I've been paranoid that Ive would step down. Good to see that the opposite has happened. As I said before, Jony Ive has always been Apple's "secret weapon".
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It's not only about Maps. iOS has been on the back foot about things like notifications, Twitter/Facebook integration and a camera button that works without needing to unlock the phone. Surely iOS was untouchable between 2007-2010 but now it's lacking such as the multitasking feature on the iPhone which is no good compared to the one on WP7 and Palm OS.
When there is iOS on the iPad which makes terrible use of screen realestate. Why isn't there expose-like multitaking where I can get an overview of all opened apps or a Dashboard in OS X where I can have widgets and see things like a twitter feed, weather and other nifty things without having to open an app for absolutely everything. Not to mentioned the updated music player on the iPad which is a huge step backward from the previous design.
Maps was just Scott falling on his own sword. The writings have been on the wall for quite some time. I'm not sure whether Jonathan Ive is the right replacement since his expertise is more on industrial design and program architecture and UI. Hopefully he will hire someone whom he can balance out with and really give iOS the modern improvements it needs.
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Reading up about purported "information" about Forstall, it just sounds like this was a long time coming. Many Executives have apparently quit do to his pushing them out, and apparently as he was trying again, Cook put the cap on it. I think Cook is sending a message to executives that regardless of whether you were responsible for world-changing (i)OS, Steve's golden boy, etc., or not, you're only as good as your last piece of work. Also, apparently "insiders" say that he refused to sign the apology for Maps. Cook firing Forstall so bluntly is a very "Jobsidian" thing to do, as Steve was known to say that if you slip an inch, you're out.
IMO Ive running UI is the answer to any Apple doomsday-seekers wishes (or nightmares). He's been alluding to being "over" and unhappy with iOS's skeuomorphism for some time, and seems to be driven to propel it to new heights. Obviously he will have what is already a team of Software engineers reporting directly to him, but he will have the final say on design, which is where his brilliance resides.
I think what people are afraid of happening at successful companies who lose their iconic leaders, is what Tim Cook is very trigger-happy to prevent from happening. Instead of keeping Forstall on board until he alienated other Execs again, forcing them to leave or be disgruntled, and continue his purported "stuckness" on how he wants iOS to look and feel, Cook is nipping it in the bud. Also, firing Browett was an obvious quick mistake-correction by Cook. Mistakes are inevitable, it's in how quickly you fix them and show lack of pride by way of admitting fault and moving forward, that separates failure from success.
Me? I think iOS looks and feels great. I really don't see or notice any of these "drawbacks" that naysers have toward it, and I certainly don't think Windows Phone is the answer, nor do I like Android's UI in comparison. I think that Forstall's approach was that if it's "not necessary, we won't put it on there", for better or worse. I also am a fan of skeuomorphism as it always provided a warmth to Apple devices, but it seems lots of people are ready for a "revolution past it", and Ive is the man for that. In a perfect world I want the original "Steve team" intact, but if Forstall is standing in the way for ultimate harmony, then Apple has to move forward.
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I wouldn't cal them naysayers. Its really hard to see the short comings of iOS until you have tried a different platform for a few weeks. Bare in mind that that I have owned an iPod Touch in the past, into my second iPad and recently bought a Macbook Retina. So I am far from an Apple hater and neither am I an Apple fanboy, I'm just very open and rational about what I buy.
No OS is currently perfect. iOS is dated and stagnant, Android is streamlining and WP7 is growing up.The race between the three will ramp up aggressively the coming months, especially now that Google have launched a Nexus 4 for a mere $300 off contract which is absolutely incredible.
I am glad they offloaded John Browett because when I first heard of his appointment I couldn't understand why they wanted him. Thankful it seems like his ideas have been heard and strongly dislike especially in the area of staff pay, working hours and so forth.
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I wouldn't accuse you of being an Apple hater, because I know you're not, but I don't get how iOS can be "dated". I mean, it looks like the same format that it did when it came out, but isn't the ultimate idea of a UI to be easy, simple and instantly recognizable? What I like about iOS is how everything you need is right on the home page/s. Also, iOS is one system, it's not "fragmented" like Android, therefore your phone isn't at risk of becoming bested or irrelevant by one of the gazillions of Androids that flood the market seemingly every week. If you have an old Android, you're pretty much stuck with it unless you up and get a new phone, while with iOS, you can DL the newest versions instantly and be not feel shortchanged. I haven't lived with a Windows Phone, but from my quick playing with it, it just seems comparatively messy and jumbled, clunky, however I have a HUGE distaste for Windows products, some of the most non-intuitive I've ever used, so maybe the first "essence" of it just puts me off.
I'm not "tech savvy" in the least, so one of iOS's charms to me is how polished and refined it all works. Things like how nice and smooth the icons look, the virtual motions, etc. It shows a lot of attention to detail. In comparison, I find the home screen Mail, Phone, etc. icons on a phone like the GS3 to look more crude and less graphically charming. This might be preference stuff and small beans to some, but is really an overlooked charm that sucks people into the "Apple way", that I find Windows products and Android still can't quite grasp.
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Spot on. Planned obsolescence?This is EXACTLY how I felt with my android phones. On a side note, my mom's 4 still looks and feels good... at least not that "old" by any means.
Totally agreed. That's one reason why Android's usually have relatively poor resale to iPhone. My Mom has a 4 as well (as does my Girlfriend, until she gets a 5 soon enough), and I love that I can set up her phone and train her to understand it easily, since it has the exact same OS as my 4S, minus Siri.
To show that I won't not give any credit where it's due, I do like how Android's home page displays the weather along with a few key icons, however, again, Apple's approach is giving you as many App icons as possible on the homescreen, so it really streamlines the user experience in that particular regard, and I prefer that approach overall. Basically simply two different approaches.
I really think that people have gotten so used to how streamlined iOS is, that they take it for granted sometimes. I.e, you can have a 2 generation old iPhone, and have the newest OS. Software is the most important part of our phones if you really think about it, and having Apple support their customer base without planned-obsolescence, ensuring that if Sir Jony Ive's new UI design comes out by the time iPhone "6" does, those with their 4 and 4S and 5's can happily experience it as well, making their phones brand-spankin'-new all over again. Shows support for the customer. I also like how Apple has to approve Apps before you can get them in the store. Ensures we don't DL crappy corruptable Apps. I've heard of many stories of crashing Androids or "viruses", corrupted phones. iOS is essentially a "safer" experience, just like Mac OS is to Windows (don't get me started on Windows viruses and all the Norton crap you have to download to try and protect your computer when Mac's don't need anything of the sort.... just use and abuse it happily).
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Trust me. Upon getting my Windows phone, things were weird as I was taking a complete gamble buying something that's drastically different to what I loved which was iOS. The initial attitude was rejection and distrust but after sometime my mind relaxed and opened to a new interpretation of an OS. It's very natural not to want to like anything else if you are happy with what you've got.Windows Phone 7 is a massive leap from the traditional Microsoft software. Despite just having a single core CPU my phone is fast and fluid as a rocket and never ever lags at all. It's really impressive and something you wouldn't expect from a company that made Windows Vista.
iOS is as fragmented as Android. There is no Siri on the iPad 2 and neither does the iPad one support certain features. Fragmentation is impossible to avoid over time.
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iOS is verrrry slightly fragmented, but that isn't really anything more than some older products not having internals to support some of the stuff on the newer phones. Still, you have access to the newest OS version and a majority of its features. It is impossible to avoid, but Android's fragmentation is a mess with all their different phones out there. The second you buy one, some other random brand sporting yet another version of Android comes out with the newest iteration. iOS is much more controlled than that in that regard.
Slightly related, I just saw this:
Apple Chips Away at Android’s Dominance in US Thanks to iPhone 5
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Android may dominate the smartphone market in the U.S., but a new report suggests that Apple is catching up thanks in part to the release of the latest iPhone.
Kantar Worldpanel ComTech, a consumer research group, reports that Apple’s operating system accounted for 35.7% of the U.S. smartphone market as of Sept. 30, up an impressive 14.2 percentage points from a year prior. Android, on the other hand, saw its share of the U.S. smartphone market decrease from 66.4% to 57.5% in that same time period.
“While this latest data set only includes one week of iPhone 5 sales, we can see that in markets with a large number of existing Apple customers, sales have already seen a significant boost,” Dominic Sunnebo, global consumer insight director at Kantar Worldpanel ComTech, said in a statement.”We expect this momentum to be fully realised in the next set of results.”
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Soo, and interesting turn of events.
My last day to return my 4S was up, and now I'm locked in at Best Buy since my wireless plan has already matured, therefore the only way to keep this "30 day window of returns" alive was to return my 4S for an entirely new product (which would reset and give me another 30 days to return for another phone).
So, I went to Best Buy to check on my options. No iPhone 5's at any Best Buy but Hawaii which isn't even a 16 Gig version and is only black. I even called Apple stores near me, not even close, ALL SOLD OUT of iPhone 5's as the shipments are basically grabbed up before they even hit the shelves. The ONLY place that had iPhone 5 was an independent cell phone store in a smaller town not too far from me, but it was just black ones at 32 and 64 Gigs. Either way, I'm locked into Best Buy's selection right now anyway.
That's when I found out that if I return my 4S for another product entirely, I can "reset" the 30 day return process, with no restocking fee's or anything (and apparently my carrier won't charge me for switching phones while in contract which I really hope is true), and I can do this a total of 3 times.
I figured, why not just try something else to expand my horizons while I wait for Best Buy to finally meet demand with iPhone 5 supply (I'm sure in 30 days they'll hopefully have one for me) so I can finally exchange in and get one.... so I got a GS3 for the interim time being.
I'll quote myself from another thread on initial impressions for now:
GS3 is a great phone, and I will say the smaller screen of the 4S was a little disproportionate to a guy like me who's 6'4 so naturally has a bigger skeletal structure, and as ungainly huge as the GS3's screen is which makes it more difficult to live with in some circumstances (and just looks uglier to carry around/hold) , my eyes and structure do "fit" with it better than the 3.5" on the 4S. However, the phone is a bad joke of cheap plastic. It feels flimsy, the hideous "faux brushed aluminum" painted plastic on the sides I'm sure make Jony Ive (Apple's head designer) cringe massively that his work is even compared to it, and the plastic backing feels gross compared to being used to iPhone's build quality, and it gets iNSANELY greasy. We're comparing Rolex Hardware to Fischer Price here. I can't say how unfortunate it is when you go from a naked (case free) iPhone to a Galaxy, big downgrade in hardware, and I really miss the look and feel of the 4S to my eyes and in my hands.
Other than that, it is a great phone. I see why Android has "it's" fans, and why iOS has "its". iOS is a more elegant, simplified user experience. Lots of attention payed to icons shapes, fluid motions, and just an all around classy feel. Android is a little less refined and more jarring in its actually presentation, but it sure is a gamers/tech-geeks dream as there is so much you can do with it. I find it to be a little too cluttered for me, but at the same time, there's no shortage of things to take you attention and interest you. The Google Play Store is a busy mess though, it's cool looking but very cluttered, and IMO Apple's approach is just simple, "back to basics" as they're good at doing. Both Android and iOS certainly each have their own charms, and there are many reasons to prefer either. Hard to say one is universally better than the other, though there are tons of areas where one or the other outshines each other, it depends on who you are as to which is more important. I personally think iOS's approach is more soothing and "romantic", Android has this "flea market" feel, which again, I know is something that has its fans.
The keypad intuition and voice to text is frustratingly awful on the GS 3, what took me minutes on iPhone is taking me quadruple the time on this annoying thing.
A great thing about iOS is that you can literally just type gibberish but as long as you're fingers are in a general vicinity, the keyboard is so intelligent that it will figure out what you're trying to say, and will do proper capitalizations and punctuations. So far I'm finding the new Android keyboard to be much less intuitive and less intelligent.
other than that I'm happy to have some first hand experience with it during this interim period.
In closing, I'll say that I hate the fact that I have an "Android" as it's not a brand that I support knowing its history, style, and background so well, but I do like that I'm getting first hand experience with some of the worlds greatest technologies, by taking advantage of this return-policy rule.
My last day to return my 4S was up, and now I'm locked in at Best Buy since my wireless plan has already matured, therefore the only way to keep this "30 day window of returns" alive was to return my 4S for an entirely new product (which would reset and give me another 30 days to return for another phone).
So, I went to Best Buy to check on my options. No iPhone 5's at any Best Buy but Hawaii which isn't even a 16 Gig version and is only black. I even called Apple stores near me, not even close, ALL SOLD OUT of iPhone 5's as the shipments are basically grabbed up before they even hit the shelves. The ONLY place that had iPhone 5 was an independent cell phone store in a smaller town not too far from me, but it was just black ones at 32 and 64 Gigs. Either way, I'm locked into Best Buy's selection right now anyway.
That's when I found out that if I return my 4S for another product entirely, I can "reset" the 30 day return process, with no restocking fee's or anything (and apparently my carrier won't charge me for switching phones while in contract which I really hope is true), and I can do this a total of 3 times.
I figured, why not just try something else to expand my horizons while I wait for Best Buy to finally meet demand with iPhone 5 supply (I'm sure in 30 days they'll hopefully have one for me) so I can finally exchange in and get one.... so I got a GS3 for the interim time being.
I'll quote myself from another thread on initial impressions for now:
GS3 is a great phone, and I will say the smaller screen of the 4S was a little disproportionate to a guy like me who's 6'4 so naturally has a bigger skeletal structure, and as ungainly huge as the GS3's screen is which makes it more difficult to live with in some circumstances (and just looks uglier to carry around/hold) , my eyes and structure do "fit" with it better than the 3.5" on the 4S. However, the phone is a bad joke of cheap plastic. It feels flimsy, the hideous "faux brushed aluminum" painted plastic on the sides I'm sure make Jony Ive (Apple's head designer) cringe massively that his work is even compared to it, and the plastic backing feels gross compared to being used to iPhone's build quality, and it gets iNSANELY greasy. We're comparing Rolex Hardware to Fischer Price here. I can't say how unfortunate it is when you go from a naked (case free) iPhone to a Galaxy, big downgrade in hardware, and I really miss the look and feel of the 4S to my eyes and in my hands.
Other than that, it is a great phone. I see why Android has "it's" fans, and why iOS has "its". iOS is a more elegant, simplified user experience. Lots of attention payed to icons shapes, fluid motions, and just an all around classy feel. Android is a little less refined and more jarring in its actually presentation, but it sure is a gamers/tech-geeks dream as there is so much you can do with it. I find it to be a little too cluttered for me, but at the same time, there's no shortage of things to take you attention and interest you. The Google Play Store is a busy mess though, it's cool looking but very cluttered, and IMO Apple's approach is just simple, "back to basics" as they're good at doing. Both Android and iOS certainly each have their own charms, and there are many reasons to prefer either. Hard to say one is universally better than the other, though there are tons of areas where one or the other outshines each other, it depends on who you are as to which is more important. I personally think iOS's approach is more soothing and "romantic", Android has this "flea market" feel, which again, I know is something that has its fans.
The keypad intuition and voice to text is frustratingly awful on the GS 3, what took me minutes on iPhone is taking me quadruple the time on this annoying thing.
A great thing about iOS is that you can literally just type gibberish but as long as you're fingers are in a general vicinity, the keyboard is so intelligent that it will figure out what you're trying to say, and will do proper capitalizations and punctuations. So far I'm finding the new Android keyboard to be much less intuitive and less intelligent.
other than that I'm happy to have some first hand experience with it during this interim period.
In closing, I'll say that I hate the fact that I have an "Android" as it's not a brand that I support knowing its history, style, and background so well, but I do like that I'm getting first hand experience with some of the worlds greatest technologies, by taking advantage of this return-policy rule.
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K-A going Android and BMW. What the hell is happening?
Nah, the S3 is a great phone, by all means. But believe me, when you get the 5 you'll especially notice the build quality (like you said, Rolex vs Fischer). But the S3's screen is VERY smooth, one of the things I really like about the phone.
Nah, the S3 is a great phone, by all means. But believe me, when you get the 5 you'll especially notice the build quality (like you said, Rolex vs Fischer). But the S3's screen is VERY smooth, one of the things I really like about the phone.
I've been avoiding any form of reply to this thread (albeit reading it every so often). Reason I've been avoiding it is because I had nothing constructive to add, outside of me being very anti-Apple. Why? Because Apple is one of the most anti-competitive companies in the industry today. Examples of anti-competitive nature include their Lightening connector which has an inbuilt chip to prevent 3rd party cables (and overcharging for first-party equivalents), preventing other browser engines within the iOS environment (all browsers must use Webkit) and their insistence not to use microusb despite it being mandated within the EU. I could go on. Why they haven't been taken to task over their anti-competitive nature beats me, especially when Microsoft has been fined for the exact same browser issue in its Windows operating system.
In any case, I'm replying to this thread because this comment is blatantly wrong.
Security starts with the user. There is no software in the world that you can 'use and abuse' and assume its going to keep you safe. Part of being a security conscious user is to actually acknowledge that everything is open to attack (regardless of what operating system you use) and actually install antivirus software and a firewall. Now getting down to facts, Mac OS is one of the more insecure operating systems in the world. It's said that Microsoft is 10 years ahead of Apple when it comes to security (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/...s-behind-microsoft-in-terms-of-security/11706). Microsoft has a bad wrap for being insecure and maybe justifiably so. Prior to Windows XP SP2, security was never a priority. But they learned from it the hard way, and the silver lining is that it brought security to the forefront of a users. This caused people to actually install antivirus and a firewall, which is a good thing. Going without is like going without a condom during a one night stand and hoping you won't contract an STD. Heck, I've used Linux several times in the past and always enabled IPTables and a basic antivirus program.
Further to this point. As of a few days ago Kaspersky released their latest software vulnerability list (http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...ct-on-kasperskys-top-10-vulnerabilities-list/). Please note MS product is no longer in the top 10 anymore. They used to fill the list, but their attention of security over the past few years have paid dividends. Please also note that Apple has two pretty high profile products in that list. Also turns out the IE10 is also quite secure (https://www.nsslabs.com/reports/bro...ve-analysis-socially-engineered-malware). So please don't spread mis-information
Why am I harking on about the above? Because it's my job to advise users and business the best thing they should be doing for their computer systems and IT environments. When I say it's my job, I mean it literally is my day job.
In any case, I'm replying to this thread because this comment is blatantly wrong.
Security starts with the user. There is no software in the world that you can 'use and abuse' and assume its going to keep you safe. Part of being a security conscious user is to actually acknowledge that everything is open to attack (regardless of what operating system you use) and actually install antivirus software and a firewall. Now getting down to facts, Mac OS is one of the more insecure operating systems in the world. It's said that Microsoft is 10 years ahead of Apple when it comes to security (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/...s-behind-microsoft-in-terms-of-security/11706). Microsoft has a bad wrap for being insecure and maybe justifiably so. Prior to Windows XP SP2, security was never a priority. But they learned from it the hard way, and the silver lining is that it brought security to the forefront of a users. This caused people to actually install antivirus and a firewall, which is a good thing. Going without is like going without a condom during a one night stand and hoping you won't contract an STD. Heck, I've used Linux several times in the past and always enabled IPTables and a basic antivirus program.
Further to this point. As of a few days ago Kaspersky released their latest software vulnerability list (http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...ct-on-kasperskys-top-10-vulnerabilities-list/). Please note MS product is no longer in the top 10 anymore. They used to fill the list, but their attention of security over the past few years have paid dividends. Please also note that Apple has two pretty high profile products in that list. Also turns out the IE10 is also quite secure (https://www.nsslabs.com/reports/bro...ve-analysis-socially-engineered-malware). So please don't spread mis-information
Why am I harking on about the above? Because it's my job to advise users and business the best thing they should be doing for their computer systems and IT environments. When I say it's my job, I mean it literally is my day job.
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K-A going Android and BMW. What the hell is happening?
Nah, the S3 is a great phone, by all means. But believe me, when you get the 5 you'll especially notice the build quality (like you said, Rolex vs Fischer). But the S3's screen is VERY smooth, one of the things I really like about the phone.
Haha. I'm losing my mind!
Yeah, the screen on the GS3 is great, it really is. I wish there was a way to have this screen size like magically appear when I need it, but have the smaller form factor of the iPhone. The phone is so big it's a pain to put in my pockets or carry sometimes. Yeah, screen aside, the GS3 is a very unsexy build. I cringe when I look at that hideous plastic painted "faux aluminum" on the sides with that horrid fake "brushing", when I was used to such al elegant iPhone before. I loved pressing iPhone's aluminum buttons, you can feel Steve Jobs and Jony Ive's fanatical attention to detail in the solid and weighted feel, compared to GS3's flimsy plastic buttons. I'm really picky when it comes to material objects, tactile feel, and design, especially on something that I touch so much. iPhone 5 is indeed such a beautiful piece of hardware, that alone makes it worth it to me.
Also, "S-Voice" does pretty much many of the things that SIRI does (though not as extensive and not as creative), but she just isn't as charming, and reviewers have noted this as well. My Girlfriend (who was actually getting jealous of SIRI
) even noticed that right away. "S-Voice" sounds like some 80's robot computer, while SIRI actually had a charm and personality to "her". S-Voice is capable enough, but I really miss Siri.It really is a great device though, as you say. One thing that's driving me nuts is the lack of "Swipe text" like iPhone has. This Keyboard is utterly stupid in comparison to iPhone's. I'm trying to get the "Swype" to work but I have to give up the Google keyboard with the new voice-text if I do, and even then, the Swype wasn't as good as iOS's. So far, iOS's keyboard is vastly superior since you get Swipe along with SiRI voice control. Also, I like the buttons on iOS's keyboard better (more elegant).
Funny thing is my good friend just tracked down and nabbed an iPhone 5 (Black, 32 Gig as that's all they had available). Him and I were on the phone having a faux-Fandroid VS iFan war.
We'll probably have fun playing with our phones and comparing all kinds of things on them like a couple of dorks when we see each other.
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Tim Cook dropped in too.
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Well I never expected K-A to even want to use any android device for more than a day or two, good to know that you are willing to try again, and please, make that YOU MUST download Apex launcher from the play store. Don't use that touchwiz crap from Samsung.
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