C-Class (W206) [Hot!] 2022 Mercedes-AMG C63S (W206)

[Tourbillon]

For a bot you can not comprehend everything. I wrote 30 000 pure electric kilometre. Which translates to 150 -180 000 overall kilometres.

Who you calling "bot?" "bot" what? Articulate yourself in English.

I don't give care about your "numbers" in any shape or form because now you're quoting 50-80K more than the manufacturers are willing to certify?

Give it a rest and bore someone else. I'll stick to Mercedes Benz. I'm sure they know their own numbers LOL!

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Who you calling "bot?" "bot" what?

I don't give care about your "numbers" in any shape or form because now you're quoting 50-80K more than the manufacturers are willing to certify?

Give it a rest and bore someone else. I'll stick to Mercedes Benz. I'm sure they know their own numbers LOL!

you are bot, as is "nevera", "tuatara" and some others very active recently members

 

[Tourbillon]

you are bot, as is "nevera", "tuatara" and some others very active recently members

My name has changed from Striker to Nevera with administration and panel approval? The same account?

I chose another which is more appropriate. I'll change it again if I feel like it and IF they approve it?

So how's that any of your business? And how does that concern you? Pray tell?

And what does have to do with C63 batteries?

And I'm unaware of any other active members, you take your grievances to them directly. Do NOT involve me in any of that.

And your "strange" behaviour is noted.

 

[Matski]

Can anyone enlighten me, what 6 years and 100.000 km have to do with sustainability?

What's the powertrain warranty on the last pure ICE S-Class you bought? I'd imagaine it's a similar scenario - just because that's the guarantee, doesn't mean that's all you get.

After this happens, expect some 20 - 25 000 Euro for the replacement battery.

That seems on the high side...

From elsewhere on the web...

Mercedes hybrid battery replacement cost
Mercedes C350e battery replacement cost: £7,000 - 15,000

One of the biggest names in luxury vehicles, Mercedes offers many of their cars with a hybrid powertrain. Combining the complexity of an electrical drive system with the Mercedes' reputation for expensive parts may be a recipe for disaster for your wallet.

In addition to the parts being more costly than other cars, the labour charges at Mercedes dealerships are among the most expensive too.

Hybrid Battery Replacement Costs
Toyota
Prius: £1,500 - £6,000
Yaris Hybrid: £3,000 - £5,000
C-HR : £3,000 - £5,000
BMW
330e Hybrid: £4,000 - £9,000
530e Hybrid: £4,000 - £9,000
X5 Hybrid: £4,000 - £11,000
Mercedes
C-class Hybrid: £7,000 - £15,000
GLA PHEV: £5,000 - £12,000
E-class Hybrid: £7,500 - £15,000
MINI
Countryman Cooper: E £5,000 - £11,000
Cooper: E £5,000 - £11,000
Mitsubishi
Outlander PHEV: £4,000 - £7,000
Ford
Focus: 1.0 mHEV: £4,000 - £6,000
Fiesta: mHEV: £4,000 - £6,000
Puma: ST-Line Hybrid: £5,000 - £7,000


Also, Lexus batteries fit well within this range too...

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www.hybridrepairservice.co.uk

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I'll make myself more concrete, despite the risk of boring somebody. A battery pack consist of cells. The most common cells used today have the capacity to accumulate about 20 W, equal also to 0,02 kW. A Li Io cell normally has a life of 1000 cycles in ideal conditions. In normal conditions it is closer to 700 cycles. So during its life a cell can receive and give 14 kW. Multiply this by the number of cells in one particular battery and you receive the life of the pack. Most hybrids today have a pack of about 500 cells. So the life of this pack is 7 000 Kw, devide this by a consumption of 25 kW per 100 km (electric, only ICE are not counted) and you have a life of app 28 000 km.
Of course in hybrids battery life can not be calculated in km, because no one knows how much km are going to be in EV only , combined or only ICE. The correct way is to calculate the battery life in energy.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

What's the powertrain warranty on the last pure ICE S-Class you bought? I'd imagaine it's a similar scenario - just because that's the guarantee, doesn't mean that's all you get.



That seems on the high side...

From elsewhere on the web...

Mercedes hybrid battery replacement cost
Mercedes C350e battery replacement cost: £7,000 - 15,000

One of the biggest names in luxury vehicles, Mercedes offers many of their cars with a hybrid powertrain. Combining the complexity of an electrical drive system with the Mercedes' reputation for expensive parts may be a recipe for disaster for your wallet.

In addition to the parts being more costly than other cars, the labour charges at Mercedes dealerships are among the most expensive too.

Hybrid Battery Replacement Costs
Toyota
Prius: £1,500 - £6,000
Yaris Hybrid: £3,000 - £5,000
C-HR : £3,000 - £5,000
BMW
330e Hybrid: £4,000 - £9,000
530e Hybrid: £4,000 - £9,000
X5 Hybrid: £4,000 - £11,000
Mercedes
C-class Hybrid: £7,000 - £15,000
GLA PHEV: £5,000 - £12,000
E-class Hybrid: £7,500 - £15,000
MINI
Countryman Cooper: E £5,000 - £11,000
Cooper: E £5,000 - £11,000
Mitsubishi
Outlander PHEV: £4,000 - £7,000
Ford
Focus: 1.0 mHEV: £4,000 - £6,000
Fiesta: mHEV: £4,000 - £6,000
Puma: ST-Line Hybrid: £5,000 - £7,000


Also, Lexus batteries fit well within this range too...

New Hybrid Batteries For Sale | Hybrid Repair Sevice

Best quality new hybrid vehicle batteries for many vehicle types at great prices and long warranties

www.hybridrepairservice.co.uk

I would gladly see here the price of an AMG battery.

 

[Tourbillon]

you are bot, as is "nevera", "tuatara" and some others very active recently members

So nothing to say then? No proof no nothing? Exactly.

Keep it to yourself next time.

 

[Matski]

I would gladly see here the price of an AMG battery.

Yeah but that's going to be an issue irrespective of ICE, Hybrid or BEV. If parts costs are an issue, it's not a case of avoiding Hybrids, it's a case of avoiding premium German cars.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Yeah but that's going to be an issue irrespective of ICE, Hybrid or BEV. If parts costs are an issue, it's not a case of avoiding Hybrids, it's a case of avoiding premium German cars.

The discussion was in respect to C63 against M3

 

[GTA45E]

So I’m getting 4 cylinders less, have to pay circa € 30.000 more compared to the previous C 63. All that for a car that delivers 476 hp (when the battery is empty), where the previous one delivers more than 600 hp, permanently…

The rear E-Motor with the battery pack of the new C63 is said to produce 94hp continually, in addition to the 476hp engine.
So according to Mercedes AMG that 94hp is always being generated to assist the M139 4-banger's 476hp. (that is 570hp)

The full 201hp from the E-Motor is available for a 10-second burst of power, for a maximum of 671hp and 752lb-ft.

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94 hp continuous output and 201 hp peak output

The high-performance battery offers a capacity of 6.1 kWh, a continuous output of 94 hp and a peak output of 201 hp for ten seconds. The low weight of only 196 lbs (89 kg) helps to deliver the very high power density. Charging takes place via the installed 14V on-board charger with alternating current at a charging station, wallbox or household outlet. The battery is designed for fast power delivery and draw rather than longest possible range.

source--->> https://media.mbusa.com/releases/the-new-mercedes-amg-c-63-s-e-performance-the-dawn-of-a-new-era

 

[AndreB]

Another issue is the life cycle of the battery. It can sustain up to 1000 cycles of charging. Having in mind that this is at ideal conditions (right temperature and speed of charging) in real life this is reduced to 700-800.

There are 200k kms Teslas with original battery and still 80% battery capacity so I won't be so concerned about the battery life. Most likely that over stressed 4 cyl engine will break first.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

There are 200k kms Teslas with original battery and still 80% battery capacity so I won't be so concerned about the battery life. Most likely that over stressed 4 cyl engine will break first.

Tesla Model S has 5000 cells, which equals to 70 000 kW life, devided by 22 kW per 100 km (pure EVs consume less energy than hybrids in electric only mode), equals to more than 350 000 km life. Again the life of the battery depents almost entitely on its size (capacity). Hybrids have small batteries=short life in ev mode, bigger battery=longer life.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

The rear E-Motor with the battery pack of the new C63 is said to produce 94hp continually, in addition to the 476hp engine.
So according to Mercedes AMG that 94hp is always being generated to assist the M139 4-banger's 476hp. (that is 570hp)

The full 201hp from the E-Motor is available for a 10-second burst of power, for a maximum of 671hp and 752lb-ft.

That’s new to me. Care to share the source?

 

[Mick Briesgau]

What's the powertrain warranty on the last pure ICE S-Class you bought? I'd imagaine it's a similar scenario - just because that's the guarantee, doesn't mean that's all you get.

New Hybrid Batteries For Sale | Hybrid Repair Sevice

Best quality new hybrid vehicle batteries for many vehicle types at great prices and long warranties

www.hybridrepairservice.co.uk

Two years (on the whole car) without any mileage limit. In my case 125.000 km.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

The rear E-Motor with the battery pack of the new C63 is said to produce 94hp continually, in addition to the 476hp engine.
So according to Mercedes AMG that 94hp is always being generated to assist the M139 4-banger's 476hp. (that is 570hp)

The full 201hp from the E-Motor is available for a 10-second burst of power, for a maximum of 671hp and 752lb-ft.

94 hp continually as long as the battery isn’t depleted. I’d be interested in a test between a AMG C43 and this C63 S E with a depleted battery. The C43 will destroy the C63 S E

 

[GTA45E]

@Mick, I edited my original post.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Does anybody know how much should be waited after these 10s of usage of the whole power, in order to be able to use again those 204 ps for another 10s?

 

[Tourbillon]

 

[Merc1]

Killer looking C63. A V8 would have been a proper send off to ICE not this terrible 4 cylinder hybrid crap.

M

 

[Rolf]

The price of the new C63 S is absolutely ridiculously expensive at 114,800Euros, it is only 8000 Euros cheaper than the last E63 S W213 and with that 4 cylinder powertrain just doesn't justify that massive price. It is 14,500 Euros more expensive than the BMW M3 Comp X-drive., what the heck Mercedes.