C-Class (W206) [Hot!] 2022 Mercedes-AMG C63S (W206)

[Sunny]

Just was emphasizing the insanity of BEV/ PHEV.

Ah, Mike, you are making the mistake of generalizing from one horribly shitty hybrid. With BEVs - the good ones - the batteries are good for far more miles. Current Tesla batteries are good for 300k-500k miles. Tesla and CATL will soon have million mile batteries. They are even researching batteries good for 4 million mile (link).

 

[Tourbillon]

The price of the new C63 S is absolutely ridiculously expensive at 114,800Euros, it is only 8000 Euros cheaper than the last E63 S W213 and with that 4 cylinder powertrain just doesn't justify that massive price. It is 14,500 Euros more expensive than the BMW M3 Comp X-drive., what the heck Mercedes.

Unfortunately that's the consensus even elsewhere. Definitely a technological marvel and mostly people say it's good looking.

Mercedes I think it's been awhile but we're saying emissions possibly fuel economies as a reason for the hybrid assistance, perhaps drive by noise levels too.

But the SL's have straight V8's that seemingly pass everything, actually they do, without any electric assistance so I don't know- doesn't add up of you look at it like that.

I'd need to backtrack and listen to the technology briefings again but there's not too much point because at £100K plus it's on the very expensive side.

They're are more attractive propositions.

I've always liked the Audi RS6 the current model from the get go, and that's possibly an option.

We'll see how sales progress I'm sure it'll sell but how well remains to be seen.

 

[GTA45E]

94 hp continually as long as the battery isn’t depleted. I’d be interested in a test between a AMG C43 and this C63 S E with a depleted battery. The C43 will destroy the C63 S E

The engine has a battery recuperation mode so it will charge the battery when it reaches 20-24%. Charging will start.
Matt from Carwow had a good sample of this in the caw-wow video. (The first 6-minutes)

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[Sunny]

The price of the new C63 S is absolutely ridiculously expensive at 114,800Euros, it is only 8000 Euros cheaper than the last E63 S W213 and with that 4 cylinder powertrain just doesn't justify that massive price. It is 14,500 Euros more expensive than the BMW M3 Comp X-drive., what the heck Mercedes.

If you hurry, for the money, you can buy a M5 comp. It is lighter, faster, more spacious. You have to be one dumb f#ck to opt for a new C63.

The engine has a battery recuperation mode so it will charge the battery when it reaches 20-24%.

The sheer f#cking idiocy of burning fuel to run an engine to turn a generator to charge a battery to run a motor to turn some wheels! 2nd law of thermodynamics says, "why, thank you".

 

[mini_cooper4]

If you hurry, for the money, you can buy a M5 comp. It is lighter, faster, more spacious. You have to be one dumb f#ck to opt for a new C63.


The sheer f#cking idiocy of burning fuel to run an engine to turn a generator to charge a battery to run a motor to turn some wheels! 2nd law of thermodynamics says, "why, thank you".

Yeah, most people also fail to understand that charging these batteries meant to give you "more" power actually take power from the engine to recharge. This application makes sense for day to day mundane driving but not on a spirited drive or at the track where you deplete at a much faster pace than you can recup.

The fact that this is M5 Comp money makes it one of the worst offerings in the current market.

 

[Tourbillon]

Yeah, most people also fail to understand that charging these batteries meant to give you "more" power actually take power from the engine to recharge. This application makes sense for day to day mundane driving but not on a spirited drive or at the track where you deplete at a much faster pace than you can recup.

The fact that this is M5 Comp money makes it one of the worst offerings in the current market.

Then why are the all the, although I'm unsure of Audi, German manufacturers pursuing this technology? Because the next BMW M5 is a PHEV right? Just saying.

 

[Gor134]

Then why are the all the, although I'm unsure of Audi, German manufacturers pursuing this technology? Because the next BMW M5 is a PHEV right? Just saying.

Hybrid tech is easier for more power and cheaper than investing in expensive lightweight materials to save weight instead. Also looks good to the media and a big part is that it reduces the overall fleet CO2 emissions

 

[Tourbillon]

Hybrid tech is easier for more power and cheaper than investing in expensive lightweight materials to save weight instead. Also looks good to the media and a big part is that it reduces the overall fleet CO2 emissions

Yes exactly that's what I was meaning. It's not just done for no reason. Emissions absolutely, fuel economies in "E" mode and I know for a fact one manufacturer stated the only reason they added electrical assistance was drive by noise levels- I'll see if I can find it.

So it's rules and regulations that are causing the shift and manufacturers have to comply.

The thing is V8 powertrain hybrid cars are absolutely not lightweight. The Porsche Panamera is an example that I know of.

This car would be nowhere near the top of my purchasing list, but I don't berate it either.

Because this segment will in time, grow.

 

[Gor134]

It's not just done for no reason. Emissions absolutely, fuel economies in "E" mode and I know for a fact one manufacturer stated the only reason they added electrical assistance was drive by noise levels- I'll see if I can find it.

Actually in Mercedes' case, they said emissions wasn't the reason, however.

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At the timestamp, he says that it wasn't forced by legislation and they chose for performance instead.. which is just so ironic.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Hybrid tech is easier for more power and cheaper than investing in expensive lightweight materials to save weight instead. Also looks good to the media and a big part is that it reduces the overall fleet CO2 emissions

Only on paper.

 

[Tourbillon]

Actually in Mercedes' case, they said emissions wasn't the reason, however.

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At the timestamp, he says that it wasn't forced by legislation and they chose for performance instead.. which is just so ironic.

Oh in that case it is, well I did say I'd go back and check, LOL! But somewhere else it did cause heated discussions.

Mercedes V8's are already are 2024 compliant with the AMG 55 and 63 model lines for the SL Class.

Hell even Aston Martin with the "707" AMG V8 engines have found a way.

So I don't know man, now I've written it down like that! Smh.

 

[Gor134]

Only on paper.

I agree. Same thing with turbocharged engines, the testing cycles rarely hit full boost but when you're driving in boost your MPG tanks (flooring it on an onramp or accelerating to change lanes or from a red light, etc)

All to look better on paper and favour the testing cycles, as opposed to real world behavior.

 

[mini_cooper4]

Then why are the all the, although I'm unsure of Audi, German manufacturers pursuing this technology? Because the next BMW M5 is a PHEV right? Just saying.

Because people these days buy cars based on paper stats, youtube videos and "Oh WOW! It's so different, high tech and new".
Second reason would be "lab tests" returning good results when it comes to emissions and even though the real world tells a different story these results will save the Corpo big fines.

 

[AndreB]

Only on paper.

If the battery would be good for 50 real km's in EV mode it would be a big plus IMO.
Around town I drive my hybrid Panamera mostly on electric but on the highway I carry a 300kg dead battery, still the V8 seems is pretty efficient at around 11l/km and 140-150km/h.

But maybe Mercedes really did something good with this hybrid otherwise it might consume more fuel than the V8.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

If the battery would be good for 50 real km's in EV mode it would be a big plus IMO.
Around town I drive my hybrid Panamera mostly on electric but on the highway I carry a 300kg dead battery, still the V8 seems is pretty efficient at around 11l/km and 140-150km/h.

But maybe Mercedes really did something good with this hybrid otherwise it might consume more fuel than the V8.

I’d be very interested in a test C63 new vs C63 old. My bet is, in real life fuel economy of the old one is better than that of the new one.

 

[klier]

The sheer f#cking idiocy of burning fuel to run an engine to turn a generator to charge a battery to run a motor to turn some wheels! 2nd law of thermodynamics says, "why, thank you".

The C63 is a complete and utter non event and a pure bred boulevard cruiser. Has nothing whatsoever to do with a sports car.

 

[Tourbillon]

Because people these days buy cars based on paper stats, youtube videos and "Oh WOW! It's so different, high tech and new".
Second reason would be "lab tests" returning good results when it comes to emissions and even though the real world tells a different story these results will save the Corpo big fines.

Well 30 years ago it was Autocar tests and the first thing we'd do when a new car came out would look up the index and compare the times. Obviously we had Top Gear on TV too but still.

As for laboratory testing I completely agree. Electronics are so sophisticated you can switch between performance and MOT and testing maps with a flick of the switch. So you're compliant to rules and regulations on testing day then as you leave your in Max Power mode. To be honest it's all a shambles.

 

[mini_cooper4]

Well 30 years ago it was Autocar tests and the first thing we'd do when a new car came out would look up the index and compare the times. Obviously we had Top Gear on TV too but still.

Valid point.

The car might be a sales hit too.
Just an example:
A dude parks the new C63 next to his co-worker's M3 at work... both dudes know sh!t about cars.
One dude feels proud his car "makes" 160HP more the other feels bad his car makes "no power".
Most won't even know what the weight of either car is and thankfully will never explore the cars near their limits.
A product doesn't need to be good to sell so I guess this car makes perfect sense from MB's perspective.

 

[Jonathan19]

Orders open on June 1st and im agree with peoples said, it's expensive.

 

[manuelf]

Most won't even know what the weight of either car is

I'm not sure ...
I do think, that the majority of buyers of real/full ///M or AMG vehicle do have a slight interest in the technology/topic.
Up to the point (at least in car forums), that they are over-emphasizing weight ... i.e. just looking at one dimension, instead of talking into account all aspects adding up to vehicle dynamics. ( BMW M being a good example ... G8x being 70-80 kg heavier than F8x albeit being superior in vehicle dynamics)