C-Class [Hot!] 2022 Mercedes-AMG C63S (W206)

[Gor134]

As expected, the G8X remains the king of the segment. The RS4's Competition Package performance has me quite optimistic for the next gen.. unless it gets too hampered by the PHEV weight like the C63 is.

 

[Tourbillon]

@leylandi you have any idea about deposits down on this car and/or presales? Ultimately that's what will determine whether Mercedes has got this right!

 

[Centurion]

@leylandi you have any idea about deposits down on this car and/or presales? Ultimately that's what will determine whether Mercedes has got this right!

The C63 will still sell. Some customers just want the latest Mercedes performance estate and will buy it regardless of engine. Furthermore orders for the M3 touring have a 12 month lead time and used ones are listed above list price.

 

[Tourbillon]

The C63 will still sell. Some customers just want the latest Mercedes performance estate and will buy it regardless of engine. Furthermore orders for the M3 touring have a 12 month lead time and used ones are listed above list price.

Sounds about right. My frame of reference is well let's just say 12 months plus.

 

[leylandi]

@leylandi you have any idea about deposits down on this car and/or presales? Ultimately that's what will determine whether Mercedes has got this right!

sorry companies do not disclose this type of data

 

[Rolf]

As expected, the G8X remains the king of the segment. The RS4's Competition Package performance has me quite optimistic for the next gen.. unless it gets too hampered by the PHEV weight like the C63 is.

The video for this test is out and it highlights some noticeable flaws with the new C63 S. The worst aspect for it as a performance car is the powertrain, the hybrid powertrain brings so many compromises to the overall abilities of the car.

1) The change to a 4-cylinder engine, brings a big downgrade in character, smoothness, noise and power characteristics compared to the previous V8
2) The synchronization of the batteries, electric motor and engine, doesn't seem to be very good, with gaps in power availability. The tester mentioned that at one moment the car had huge power and then a moment later it felt mediocre when stamping on the throttle.
3) The hybrid powertrain adds a massive 300kg to the mass of this car. If it was like the C43 without battery and electric motor, it would be much lighter.
4) The hybrid powertrain adds regen brakes, which doesn't provide progressive braking power with a dead spot on the first inch of brake pedal travel.
5) The battery eats up valuable boot and utility space, especially noticeable in the estate, where you got this block of battery compromising the through loading when you fold down the seats.
6) The consumption on this car is a paltry 19.1MPG, even worst than the 3.0 inline 6 in the M3 Touring (19.8MPG).

 

[Tourbillon]

The video for this test is out and it highlights some noticeable flaws with the new C63 S. The worst aspect for it as a performance car is the powertrain, the hybrid powertrain brings so many compromises to the overall abilities of the car.

1) The change to a 4-cylinder engine, brings a big downgrade in character, smoothness, noise and power characteristics compared to the previous V8
2) The synchronization of the batteries, electric motor and engine, doesn't seem to be very good, with gaps in power availability. The tester mentioned that at one moment the car had huge power and then a moment later it felt mediocre when stamping on the throttle.
3) The hybrid powertrain adds a massive 300kg to the mass of this car. If it was like the C43 without battery and electric motor, it would be much lighter.
4) The hybrid powertrain adds regen brakes, which doesn't provide progressive braking power with a dead spot on the first inch of brake pedal travel.
5) The battery eats up valuable boot and utility space, especially noticeable in the estate, where you got this block of battery compromising the through loading when you fold down the seats.
6) The consumption on this car is a paltry 19.1MPG, even worst than the 3.0 inline 6 in the M3 Touring (19.8MPG).

I'll be honest I've not read the test fully and I'm not watching the video just yet. It's not been too favourably accepted I guess is the best word, I believe. I think I'll await the client reviews after X months.

But Thank You for the summary.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

The video for this test is out and it highlights some noticeable flaws with the new C63 S. The worst aspect for it as a performance car is the powertrain, the hybrid powertrain brings so many compromises to the overall abilities of the car.

1) The change to a 4-cylinder engine, brings a big downgrade in character, smoothness, noise and power characteristics compared to the previous V8
2) The synchronization of the batteries, electric motor and engine, doesn't seem to be very good, with gaps in power availability. The tester mentioned that at one moment the car had huge power and then a moment later it felt mediocre when stamping on the throttle.
3) The hybrid powertrain adds a massive 300kg to the mass of this car. If it was like the C43 without battery and electric motor, it would be much lighter.
4) The hybrid powertrain adds regen brakes, which doesn't provide progressive braking power with a dead spot on the first inch of brake pedal travel.
5) The battery eats up valuable boot and utility space, especially noticeable in the estate, where you got this block of battery compromising the through loading when you fold down the seats.
6) The consumption on this car is a paltry 19.1MPG, even worst than the 3.0 inline 6 in the M3 Touring (19.8MPG).

So, in one word: it sucks.

 

[Merc1]

Is Mercedes going to care or take notice, that’s the million dollar question.

M

 

[Gor134]

Is Mercedes going to care or take notice, that’s the million dollar question.

M

It's not too late to rush out a V8 model tbh. ~2 year of additional development time, extend the end of production by 2-3 years like BMW did for the G20/G80, and boom, you have a business case for a 4-5 year run of a V8 C63 starting in 2025 (alongside a E63, pls MB)

 

[Serpens]

It's not too late to rush out a V8 model tbh. ~2 year of additional development time, extend the end of production by 2-3 years like BMW did for the G20/G80, and boom, you have a business case for a 4-5 year run of a V8 C63 starting in 2025 (alongside a E63, pls MB)

Now that’s wishful thinking

 

[Centurion]

It's not too late to rush out a V8 model tbh. ~2 year of additional development time, extend the end of production by 2-3 years like BMW did for the G20/G80, and boom, you have a business case for a 4-5 year run of a V8 C63 starting in 2025 (alongside a E63, pls MB)

If we are lucky, LCI could have the 6 cylinder drivetrain that the E63 will have. However this is pie in the sky thinking. This is a stop gap car, Mercedes would prefer that you buy their performance EVs.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Mercedes would prefer that you buy their performance EVs.

Why do you think so? I'm sure Mercedes prefer to sell a higher margin ICE vehicle instead.

 

[DeDe]

Auto Motor und Sport's test is out. Still meh.
Performance is also.

0-260 km/h in 31,4 seconds (M3 Touring: 27,0 s)

 

[Jonathan19]

Auto Motor und Sport's test is out. Still meh.
Performance is also.

0-260 km/h in 31,4 seconds (M3 Touring: 27,0 s)

Nearly 32s, that's not very good yes.... I guessed it was just under 30s. I've got to stop guessing things like that.

 

[J.E]

So, in one word: it sucks.

Yes, they f#cked it up.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Some bits and pieces from the automotorsport test (magazine 14, june 15. 2023).
- weight 2.171 kg, weight of it’s predecessor (C63 non S) 1.832 kg. The V8 of latter weighs only 45 kg more than the I4 cylinder base engine;
- test fuel consumption 12,7 l/100 km. Test fuel consumption C63 V8: circa 1 l/100 km less;
- braking distance 100 km/h - 0 km/h 34,5 (cold) 34,4 (warm). Mick: “I’m almost sure my S has better breaking distance figures”.;
- 0 - 100 km in 3,3 seconds. Truth be told, after a launch control start, it needs a short breather (one track lap) before it can do that again;
- it does have a small turbo gap (although it’s equiped with an electronic turbocharger;
- “although this 63er is quite a performer, it doesn’t give any joy” Jörn Thomas: Chief reporter;
- it’s grip is tremendously good;
- at higher speeds (> 230 km/h) it gets bouncy and fidgety;

During the test, the car broke down. The AMG on board computer forbid to drive any further and the car was towed. According to AMG there was no mechanical failure. Apparently two control units, responsible for the E-turbocharger couldn’t agree on a troubleshooting strategy.

 

[Tourbillon]

Some bits and pieces from the automotorsport test (magazine 14, june 15. 2023).
- weight 2.171 kg, weight of it’s predecessor (C63 non S) 1.832 kg. The V8 of latter weighs only 45 kg more than the I4 cylinder base engine;
- test fuel consumption 12,7 l/100 km. Test fuel consumption C63 V8: circa 1 l/100 km less;
- braking distance 100 km/h - 0 km/h 34,5 (cold) 34,4 (warm). Mick: “I’m almost sure my S has better breaking distance figures”.;
- 0 - 100 km in 3,3 seconds. Truth be told, after a launch control start, it needs a short breather (one track lap) before it can do that again;
- it does have a small turbo gap (although it’s equiped with an electronic turbocharger;
- “although this 63er is quite a performer, it doesn’t give any joy” Jörn Thomas: Chief reporter;
- it’s grip is tremendously good;
- at higher speeds (> 230 km/h) it gets bouncy and fidgety;

During the test, the car broke down. The AMG on board computer forbid to drive any further and the car was towed. According to AMG there was no mechanical failure. Apparently two control units, responsible for the E-turbocharger couldn’t agree on a troubleshooting strategy.

The Ferrari 296GTB also had some form of hybridity issues it just packed in, on Carwow.

I'm going off hybrids a little. Doesn't affect us anyway, but still.

I bet Porsche gets it spot on though.

 

[Tourbillon]

Nearly 32s, that's not very good yes.... I guessed it was just under 30s. I've got to stop guessing things like that.

No don't because it keeps the mind active.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

The Ferrari 296GTB also had some form of hybridity issues it just packed in, on Carwow.

I'm going off hybrids a little. Doesn't affect us anyway, but still.

I bet Porsche gets it spot on though.

For me hybrids are quite senseless. Either an EV or an ICE. Why should I be so stupid, to have two different powertrains in one car, with all the weight, potential technical problems, maintenance costs etc. that come with it?
If Porsche does any better, I don’t know, but doubt it. Because many of the hard- and software concerning the hybrid powertrain comes from companies like Bosch, Continental and Siemens, to name a few.