Future of BMW's M Division

[klier]

Poverty's SEAT is not mechanically modified in such a way that it is fundamentally different from its originally engineered state. As is the case with turbocharged cars, a little bit o' power is easier to come by through ECU remapping. If that, somehow, results in detonation and pushing a connie through the block then that's his prerogative.

It doesn't matter that a turbocharger makes the E46 M3 another beast, since Poverty seems to be all about straight line drag races. A 550 hp turbocharged E46 M3 is not expensive to mod like that, and will eat a FWD 300 hp Seat for breakfast in a dragrace.

 

[Mr Robert]

Why can't we just shove the SEAT talk somewhere else, it is not the least bit interesting for those of us interested in the future of the M brand. This old "I have killed all the good cars with my tuned hatch" was boring even the first time it came around in 1921.

 

[martinbo]

Fine then - this debate is going nowhere. Enough about modded SEATs vs. BMW.

Back on topic please...

Is the advent of turbocharging in the M Division such a bad thing for performance BMW's? AdvEvo justifiably - considering his experience and actions - seems to feel it is.

I, on the other hand, don't think it's the end of the world - but it does fundamentally alter the unique appeal of M Division cars...

 

[Mr Robert]

I think one of the few good things about turbosharging M-cars from the factory (people with tuned hatch mentality have been doing this for years) is that now we will have a much bigger after market scene, since everything will be much cheaper. On second thaught, that might actually be a bad thing...

 

[Human]

Naturally aspirated M engines made one proud of one's favourite brand being able to crush the turbo-charged competition...it showed BMW's genius as an engine builder...

The same goes for BMW's twin-turbo tech! So it does not matter as long as it's a BMW made engine WHO CARES!?

BMW has no choice really....EU legislation is to blame for the whole sustainability thing - a war BMW is winning already!

 

[Mr Robert]

BMW has no choice really....EU legislation is to blame for the whole sustainability thing - a war BMW is winning already!

This is true. Another problem is the EC cycle used in measuring the fuel consumption. I read a very interesting article in one of the latest EVO regarding this. It seems like cars with automatic gearboxes are very much favoured in the cycle, or rather, manual gearboxes are not allowed to be used in the best way for the engine to run as cheap as possible.

 

[Sayyaaf]

Unless M provides a car with turbo and AWD that is as amazing as the GTR, I am not fan. and I don't mean it in terms of lap numbers and stuff .. i mean the Huge RWD bias (98-2), the rear wheel spin at any speed. The rest are granted IMO.

 

[AdvEvo]

Things why i buy bmw M

is bmw M diff
Is more than 8000 rpm.
Is throttle response.

This all in a package for daily use.

A turbo can t deliver 8400 rpm. A turbo can t deliver throttle response like atmo.

So there is my answer.

 

[Mr Robert]

Unless M provides a car with turbo and AWD that is as amazing as the GTR, I am not fan. and I don't mean it in terms of lap numbers and stuff .. i mean the Huge RWD bias (98-2), the rear wheel spin at any speed. The rest are granted IMO.

...and that the rear bias is fixed.

But then again, why on earth put AWD in a car that is about the thrill of driving? And by that I mena the type of thrill of driving a BMW usually deliver, not the type a Audi or a Mitsubishi does.

 

[mini_cooper4]

AdvEvo can you compare the e46M3 and M3 CSL in few sentences, because it's hard to me to find and drive a CSL at the moment (There isn't a single one in my country)

Sorry for the off-toppic

AdvEvo I see you've driven lots of cars some of them are in my wishlist.
What about TVR Sagaris and Tuscan? Is it worth it. I know that if you've liked it I'll probably too. As I can see you're a driver too

 

[AdvEvo]

I think i would like tvr s. Never drove them. But the way they think is good way.

that s lightweight and good chassis.

only thing with tvr lots of car have problems tvr is a small brand not like bmw were they do a lot of testing.

CSL is awesome every thing is ok beside s the brakes if used on track and i dislike smg gearboxes. But that s personal taste.

The best car i have driven in my life is a 997 gt3. That s just plain awesome. A csl comes close but 997 GT3 is a little bit better. But i still would choose a CSL because of the daily use.

A GT3 has the problem that s it s no day to day car and everybody is watching you. With CSL youre more stealty that suits me more.

I have done driftdays with a CSL i had a smile on my face all day long they could not punched it away with a sledgehammer. Just pure sex.

If you can find one it s much better in racing way than a e46 m3. The sound alone is worth it.

I hope this says enough.

 

[NarutoRamen]

Just don't get involved in a battle like this. It's utterly pointless.

LOL, I'm not getting involved. Just pointing something out. I'm not from England, never been there and don't watch British shows. So, the only things I know about English culture come from Top Gear.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

LOL, I'm not getting involved. Just pointing something out. I'm not from England, never been there and don't watch British shows. So, the only things I know about English culture come from Top Gear.

I am from England, so trust me, BMW's are not seen as being driven by people who smoke pipes and wear slippers.

 

[Wunderkind]

I am from England, so trust me, BMW's are not seen as being driven by people who smoke pipes and wear slippers.

I'll keep my opinion short and succinct.

The M division will become the Marketing division of BMW. BMW has no motorsport activities to fall back on unless they get themselves back into DTM. They have said a number of times that they will quit WTCC when the new rules come into effect.

 

[Mr Robert]

I'll keep my opinion short and succinct.

The M division will become the Marketing division of BMW. BMW has no motorsport activities to fall back on unless they get themselves back into DTM. They have said a number of times that they will quit WTCC when the new rules come into effect.

Is not BTCC going to ban RWD cars? I think due to making the series cheaper. Such things are not good for BMW posibilities to market itself through motorsport.

 

[Wunderkind]

Motorsport maybe ingrained in BMW's DNA. But so is quitting when they are uncompetitive.

Pathetic!

 

[klier]

^ Eni's the only one I ever heard about this V6 thing. And maybe Scott. Haven't read anythng about a V6 anywhere else. Not in mags and not on the net.....which is weird...

 

[south]

^ Eni's the only one I ever heard about this V6 thing. And maybe Scott. Haven't read anythng about a V6 anywhere else. Not in mags and not on the net.....which is weird...

Well, there was an interview with the ///M head who said that they haven't decided which layout to use yet. That's quite a statement. Though, we should just listen to the trustworthy bit of information here and leave the idea of an V6 M3 behind.


Best regards,
south

 

[SKY]

Well, there was an interview with the ///M head who said that they haven't decided which layout to use yet. That's quite a statement. Though, we should just listen to the trustworthy bit of information here and leave the idea of an V6 M3 behind.


Best regards,
south

That what I was going to say, all the V6 claim comes from that interview.

 

[Mr Robert]

That what I was going to say, all the V6 claim comes from that interview.

BMW fans have recently learned to always expect the worst.