Future of BMW's M Division

[jack]

its really awesome what you did to the car
huge respect

So if bmw does not make it the only way is to make it youre self.

i guess that this is also what they are aiming at
it has worked in the mini scene for years, so bmw is probably just starting with their performance line up

 

[Human]

Awesome! And very neat indeed

This is how one are suppose to enjoy a Bimmer

 

[AdvEvo]

Yes the 130i is awesome. Also as a street car it is awesome. But with some tweaks an 130i is easy made into a trackcar.

I also have had a 135i but i sold after 3 mounts ownership. Could not get used to the turbolag. And saw the engine temp rising when driven to hard.

I still think the atmo 3.0 engine alu mag is the best and strongest engine in the bmw lineup today for use on track which is stil affordable.

The M3 V8 engine is also great. But the M3 base is to heavy to begin with to convert a road m3 to a track M3. That s why i started off with a 130i.

I saw my E90 M3 standing next to e30 3 series. I could not help it i was laughing. I said to my friends i bought a 5 series with a 3 series badge.

I always love the smaller cars with the 6 cil atmo s in it. They are just fantastic to throw around corners.

I also have driven the M3 CSL that s one of my fouvorites too.

I have driven porsches too gt3 etc. But i always come back to bmw. But if bmw does not make good atmo engines anymore then the only way to go is GT3 route and that s with pain in my hart.

 

[Mr Robert]

Everybody is asking for a CSL but then you have 450hp car and also 1400kg it won t help.

All you need is a light car with a high rev 6 cil atmo engine. Make it about 320hp and 1200kg for the road that wil give you more fun in driving than a csl with 450hp and 1400kg.

I can t get why bmw ///M does not see this.

The 1 series is the best base for a thru M car. Everything else in the line up is too heavy or to big to begin with.

This is so very true. The perfect base for an M-car today would be the 1-series coupe. Very strange that we don't get the 1-series coupe with the 265 hp I6.

That is the kind of CSL we are asking for. But based on the input you have provided elswehere in this thread, such a car would kill the M3 straight off... we can't have that, now can we?

 

[AdvEvo]

yes maybe.

But it will be thru image maker which you will see lots of tracks following porsche GT3. The ring would be full of those bmw.

I have a bmw E90 M3 but when i go to the nurburging for a few laps. I take my wifes 130i street car. I think that says enough.

 

[Cashmere]

do you have any track videos? btw, have you fitted a limited slip diff?

 

[AdvEvo]

yes i have

here is a qualify lap on zandvoort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx6sE6Ww8co

Car has drexler limited slip diff.

Also drove the 500 hp v8 E90 here is a movie of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJsNsKqq63A&feature=fvw

Do a search of ADVEVO in youtube you get all my movies.

 

[martinbo]

LOL - I dig the one comment on the YouTube board.

"Gaat lekker"! Inderdaad - gaat baie lekker!

Thanks for sharing AdvEvo. You're a very quick driver.

 

[bmwownage]

The 135i coupe itself can be said to be on M3 terms in terms of performance, if they did build a 1series M, well, that thing will probably smoke the M3? I guess BMW is not ready for that, the current M3 is perfect, but then 1series shares something like 90% of parts with the 3, with a lighter weight, it would be a M3 killer.

I just think M should ditch making X5M and X6M. Those things are not part of "committed to providing enthusiasts with the type of dynamic, track-ready and fun-to-drive cars"... come on, using electronics to make the car "feel" lighter by playing tricks on power/torque distribution is not dynamic and track-ready... Glad that a M7 is ruled out, but why Z4??? Isn't this ridiculous? The most sporty BMW model that rivals Porsches will not get a M version..??????? And hope they won't waste time building stuff like 3/5seriesGT M, those things are people movers, and if someone wants a fast one simply get one with a big V8, not the M treatment right? I dont' see the point of having a 5series GT being proper "track-ready", and standard BMWs themsevles are fun enough to drive. Spend the money on a 1series hatch M and Z4M instead!

 

[Mr Robert]

That looked like a lot of fun! Please send the video to BMW.

 

[Mr Robert]

I just think M should ditch making X5M and X6M. Those things are not part of "committed to providing enthusiasts with the type of dynamic, track-ready and fun-to-drive cars"... come on, using electronics to make the car "feel" lighter by playing tricks on power/torque distribution is not dynamic and track-ready... Glad that a M7 is ruled out, but why Z4??? Isn't this ridiculous? The most sporty BMW model that rivals Porsches will not get a M version..??????? And hope they won't waste time building stuff like 3/5seriesGT M, those things are people movers, and if someone wants a fast one simply get one with a big V8, not the M treatment right? I dont' see the point of having a 5series GT being proper "track-ready", and standard BMWs themsevles are fun enough to drive. Spend the money on a 1series hatch M and Z4M instead!

People who buys BMWs are apparently only after the brand image, what they seem to really want is a Mercedes.

 

[klier]

I love your Dutch Martin

 

[martinbo]

I love your Dutch Martin

LOL - I'd imagine my Dutch is a dog's breakfast. Sorry - it's the Afrikaans that's creeping in there!

 

[Poverty]

Turbo s are good for gti lads and seat cupra s drivers with baseball caps on there heads.

Turbos are also good for getting my 20k SEAT to beat a 45k e92 m3 down the drag strip, nevermind the e46 m3 after spending 2k on engine mods (I have only spent £670 so far)

Turbos are the future, dont forget that a remapped 335d also beats the e92 m3 down the drag strip also

The trouble with the bmw 3 litre twin turbo engine is that its pretty new and bmw have not yet perfected it. Loads of guys having trouble with that engine, and it makes me laugh, bmw call themselves the ultimate driving machine, but their twin turbo 3 litre struggles with heat soak after a short while of aggressive driving and likes to go into limp mode when remapped. The VAG 2.0TFSI can be tuned up to 380hp on the standard turbo for peanuts and we dont have those same issues as a remapped 335i running 400hp with two turbos and a whole extra litre of capacity and two extra cylinders.

 

[Zafiro]

Turbos are also good for getting my 20k SEAT to beat a 45k e92 m3 down the drag strip, nevermind the e46 m3 after spending 2k on engine mods (I have only spent £670 so far)

The difference is that Adevo is a track addict so he doesn't care much if he gets beaten in a dragrace. Turbo is the future, depends on who you asking.

 

[Poverty]

The difference is that Adevo is a track addict so he doesn't care much if he gets beaten in a dragrace. Turbo is the future, depends on who you asking.

A turboed lump in his car could very well make him faster which is my whole point. Trouble is the 3 litre straight six tt lump has quite a few issues, however bigger intercooler and better intake breathing from a aftermarket manufacturer as forge motorsport should get rid of the bmw flaws. But then hazarding a guess the 3.0 TT is probably noticeably heavier too.

Turbo is the future, a turboed car if setup for the purpose can rev as high as a NA with the added bonus of much greater torque. Then when not driving flat out the turbod car still returns great mpg.

 

[ACE]

LOL - I'd imagine my Dutch is a dog's breakfast. Sorry - it's the Afrikaans that's creeping in there!

Only 1 word wasn't Dutch, Martin. The Afrikaans word "baie" is from Malay. The Dutch would have said "heel". South Africans in the Netherlands figure that one out pretty quickly.

Great lap of Zandvoort in the 130i, AdvEvo. Thanks for posting.

Turbo's are the future of performance oriented road going cars (like M division vehicles), emissions regulations will make sure of that. Naturally aspirated performance cars will become rarer, but the niche will still exist, imo. I suspect that BMW, Porsche and others will still cater for this niche.

 

[AdvEvo]

LOL@the seat man.

Guys like you always want to have dragrace on the street with the ///M models.

When the corners arrive i can t even the find the dragracers anymore.

Please only type in this thread if you know were you talking about. You drive a fwd tuned turbo car. It s nice if you if you enjoy that. But a tuned fwd driven car without an lsd is for me as boring as a 120kg bitch with tits hanging on the floor.

Go drive a car with such high nm with RWD and a limited slip diff. Try to trail the throttle midbend to get on the limit of under and oversteer. Then the only way to go is an atmo engine with a fantastic throttle response.

 

[Poverty]

LOL@the seat man.

Guys like you always want to have dragrace on the street with the ///M models.

When the corners arrive i can t even the find the dragracers anymore.

Please only type in this thread if you know were you talking about. You drive a fwd tuned turbo car. It s nice if you if you enjoy that. But a tuned fwd driven car without an lsd is for me as boring as a 120kg bitch with tits hanging on the floor.

Go drive a car with such high nm with RWD and a limited slip diff. Try to trail the throttle midbend to get on the limit of under and oversteer. Then the only way to go is an atmo engine with a fantastic throttle response.

Bla bla bla. Typical bmw rwd snob. Tell me, why is it that the DIESEL fwd SEAT Leon touring cars beat the rwd bmw touring cars. Infact it came to the point where the ruling bodies had to put sanctions on the SEAT.

LSD is to come in my car, and there are plenty of FWD cars that come with an LSD as standard.

Ultimately RWD and 4wd will kick the crap out of a FWD car round a track, but not at the relatively low power you are running.

So turbo cars dont have fantastic throttle response mid range? Dont know what turbo cars you have been driving. Perhaps such powerful cars are beyond the limits of your ability, as if im not mistaken some of the fastest cars in the world are powered by a turbo?

The proof is in the pudding. Turbos are the way forward, its been evident from the grp B rally car days, and the turbo F1 era. And its following the same trend in the mainstream mass manufacturerd vehicles, to the niche vehicles.

Dont get me wrong, I am a opened minded guy unlike some round here and can acknowledge that a highly sprung NA lump is tremendous fun round the track,260hp @ 9600rpm in someting not weighing much more than a mosquitos arse is bound to be a blast and is really involving in the drive (reminiscing about my friends type-r here), but for out and out performance that wont cost the world and require a larger capacity engine, turbos are the way forward.

To just dismiss turbos for baseball cap wearing, street racers is complete and utter foolishness.

 

[Mr Robert]

Bla bla bla. Typical bmw rwd snob. Tell me, why is it that the DIESEL fwd SEAT Leon touring cars beat the rwd bmw touring cars. Infact it came to the point where the ruling bodies had to put sanctions on the SEAT.

Because there is a tremendous difference between a tuned streetcar and a purpouse built racecar?

SEATs beating BMWs, why not? It does not happen in our tuoring car series but I have no hard time seeing it happen, it all comes down to the regulations of the series. Here, the RWD cars are seriously weighted down not to dominate.

Efficiency is important on a racetrack. In a race series there is no place for such soft values as how rewarding a car feels to drive, it just has to go fast. Turbo + FWD + high-ish power output will result in a less rewarding drive than with a N/A engine and RWD. At least that is how I feel about it, but then again, this being soft values, anyone can have an opinion...