Vs W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series vs Lexus LS

[SDNR]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

And I'm sorry to say but the AMG S-class look byfar destroys any car in it's class by comparison.

That is very much a matter of personal taste.

I, for one, have always thought the AMG package makes the S class look like a Yakuza-mobile -- not exactly the formal impression Mercedes used to prefer for the S class.

 

[Deutsch]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

Yakuza-mobile

I like that. LoL. German VIP style for the politically correct.

 

[SDNR]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

^ Don't get me wrong, I think the S65 is absolutely awesome ....its just that I would prefer the S class to be a little less bland without the AMG package.

 

[Sayyaaf]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

That is very much a matter of personal taste.

I, for one, have always thought the AMG package makes the S class look like a Yakuza-mobile -- not exactly the formal impression Mercedes used to prefer for the S class.

Yes Rob I agree , I think a good design wouldn't need such kind of make up kits to overcome design flaws ... and am not saying this because the 7er doesn't offer one .. because IT IS the case for BMW with the 5 series ...

One side note Rob, I never saw you commenting or at least interested in how cars really drive, like performance figures or lap times , may I ask why ?

 

[SDNR]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

^ I am very interested in those things .....but it is not my expertise. I do comment of those things occasionally but I know my limitations in these discussions.

 

[Mr Robert]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

The S-class rarely looks good in light colours. Although the front bumpers needs to be revised the car looks fine and pretty in darker colours with the contours all nicely accentuated by light and shadows.

As for the 7er it not very seductive all it, mostly due to the very weak front end bumper design which gives the front end a very soft appearance. Just like the S-class it is in need of a new front bumper.

Most importantly there is nothing about the F01 that makes it way more attractive than the S-class. Sure the rear end is attractive but that's about it, not very exciting if you don't appreciate the E65. The front end is too evolutionary and conservative, and the same applies to the interior which heavily mimics the X5 and 3er. Not much is strikingly new.

I think silver is the best colour for the S-class, followed by black, of course.

I find the 7-series quite interesting, maybe because it is an indication on what will come in later 5-series and 3-series but mostly because it is such a fresh start for the 7. BMW did not bring that much from the E65, which is a car I liked. The one thing that I did not like about the E65 was the front and even if this one is not perfect is is way better. Like I said before, the front has shades of Maserati (with a touch of mr Springsteen on account of that accentuated lower part of the bumper) and that can't be a bad thing now can it?

Some might find the 7 a bit pale but then one has to ponder about what one had expected. It looks great. Simply does. We still don't know if it will be a better car than the S-class, the fans have made up their minds already but I think that is just a tad early. I don't think it will soundly beat the S-class in every category but as always BMW does some things better than Mercedes and I don't think that will have changed this time around. In the looks department, comparing standard cars, the 7 wins. It is fresh, sporty (one could wonder why) and interesting.

 

[SDNR]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

That is absolutely correct dr Dunkel ....nobody should be decaring it or the S class "The Winner" untill we have seen the driving tests.

 

[Mr Robert]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

That is absolutely correct dr Dunkel ....nobody should be decaring it or the S class "The Winner" untill we have seen the driving tests.

The same goes the other way around. It is the 7 who has everything to prove. This is after all the segment defined by the S-class.

 

[merve_extreme]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

No Body in this segment gives more than a penny's thought about how good the cars look.Where the 7 falls behind the S is in the interiors.It does not look as luxurious or special as the S.The interior is a mix and match job of the 3er and X6 interiors.Sure it looks well built but that doesn't cut it.

About the technology part,there is nothing innovative except if you call the Integrated manual innovative,just older technologies sandwiched together,heck they even put a S-class like IC and suspension on it,but it's to be expected.It has a 6-speed auto on lesser models,may i ask why? Mercedes has the 7-speed standard on all the S models(except those that it can't handle)

Overall the 7er comes short on all grounds where it was expected to trump the S.It may actually drive good and handle better but its no masterpiece.

PS: BMW fans should cut it on how Mercedes fans bemoan the new 7,i'm not sure any of them actually feel threatened that the 7 will overthrow the S.If they feel the critism is unfair then they should prove the critics wrong.

 

[SDNR]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

No Body in this segment gives more than a penny's thought about how good the cars look.

What do you mean by that?

The E65 attracted a whole wave of new buyers, due, in part, to its innovative design ...making it the best-selling 7er ever.

Or do you think these new buyers were lured away from Mercedes by iDrive?

 

[merve_extreme]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

What do you mean by that?

The E65 attracted a whole wave of new buyers, due, in part, to its innovative design ...making it the best-selling 7er ever.

Or do you think these new buyers were lured away from Mercedes by iDrive?

Are you sure the E65 actually tooks many buyers away from Mercedes ?

Sure,the looks may attract a few people but people look at more important things like image,ride,comfort,quality,ability,technology(its not the details but the perception that its a technological masterpiece) than pure looks when buying a luxo barge.

 

[SDNR]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

Well the record-number of buyers who bought a 7 series obviously chose it over the "class leader" for some reason.

BMW used the 7er to completely change its corporate image -- this was a brave move choosing the most conservative model in the range to herald in such a dramatic change of direction.

Of course you are completely right about the all the other aspects (ride, comfort, technology, etc) but remember, the E65 was originally competing against the W220 ....it made a huge impact when it was launched ..mostly because of its appearence -- it really was a love it or hate it situation.

 

[merve_extreme]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

It actually was helped by the fact that the W220 was not the best Mercedes could come up with.IMO looks are very subjective and hence may not be a deal breaker for luxury car.

 

[SDNR]

Re: W221 S-class vs F01 7-Series

^ I totally agree with all of that

 

[siko]

S-Class is all around nice
LS is boring and uninspired
7er is not boring but ugly**







** I reserve the right to reverse my opinion once I see the car in the metal!

 

[martinbo]

The stock standard S-Class is the epitome of style and elegance - an image befitting its class and target market. As a (relatively) young man I certainly can't deny that the AMG range of S-Classes has massive presence. But unfortunately it's a look too brash and boastful for the executive car park of a large multi-national.

The stock S-Class in the metal is a fabulous, genteel and elegant statement - those wheel arches don't look nearly as overwrought as they do in the pics. I can't fault a single detail on the S-Class.

The same can't be said for the F01. It's unquestionably the sleeker - more BMW-like - of the two but time will have to soften some of those details that irk me. So the long-established status quo is preserved and the S-Class retains its crown as the king of the luxury saloon segment by virtue of its well measured appropriateness and fit-for-purpose image. It's always been that way now hasn't it?

 

[EnI]

F01 is a stunner. Believe me.
It has a huge presence, and it looks utterly modern.

Yes, exterior & interior are familiar to the lines we already know from other BMW models, but that doesn't make F01 less impressive & stunning.

It looks nothing like E60 5er in person.

I'm just as confident as I were in X6 look case, or M3 first drive case. When people started to cry how horrible the X6 looks, or how M3 completely lost its edge.


*****

A8, S-class & LS are excellent cars but ...

When compared with F01 IRL in comparable trim F01 looks the most formidable & serious, very sporty & classy elegant.

LS looks sporty but conservative.
S-class classy but bloated.
A8 still has that sporty+classy feel, but it looks completely dated. The new Mk will adddress that. But it still looks less modern in the overall appearence than F01.

E65 lost its modernity edge quickly since it hadn't many flame surfacing elements - elements so distinctive for other BMW models. That change a bit after FL, but not enough.

F01 is very different. It will look modern for many more years than E65 did. The look is not as daring & controversial as E65 when debuted, but there are still some design details which will be deal-makers / deal-breakers.

Like I said before: it's love or hate thing all over again. People who hated modern BMWs will hate F01 as well. People who love modern BMWs will like F01. People who find E65 too controversial will love the F01. People who love E65 for its controversiality will find F01 boring & predictable. Etc etc.


*****

So, ... Until the new A8 comes F01 7er will be in the center of spotlights. Not even the W221 & LS facelifts can change that. I'm very eager to see how far Audi will go. My sources told me new A8 design will be VERY evolutionary (no surprises at all) inside & outside, yet some exterior details will make the car a bit to sporty looking. Like having S-line kit standard. Some are afraid Audi is going a bit to far with this aggressive sporty look on new A8.

But it seems Audi tries to beat BMW in sporty image & appearence at any price.

 

[SDNR]

In glamorous publicity shots, the S class really does look magnificent ...but often, when you see them on the street, they are quite underwhelming.

 

[LaArtist]

F01 is a stunner. Believe me.
It has a huge presence, and it looks utterly modern.

Belive YOU?
We rather belive our eyes..

 

[EnI]

Belive YOU?
We rather belive our eyes..

Eh ...