The Perennial Favourite: Japanese Vs. German Engineering.

[Sunny]

Yes. I strongly agree with you. A slight majority of people out there are forgetting. Outside of this website, a lot of Skyline fans whined when I tried to flog their beloved car real hard. I compared it with:

1. McLaren F1 LM
2. Ascari A10
3. Porsche Carrera GT
4. Pagani Zonda F
5. Mercedes Benz CLK-GTR Strassenversion

In terms of:

1. Engineering (ie how it stands as an engineering masterpiece)
2. Track performance
3. Desirability (is it a passionate car to own? how does it feel to own one? how does it feel to drive one?)

4. Collectibility (ie how it stands as a collectible)
5. Future Value
6. Exotic factor
7. Rarity

I think you just helped make the point by comparing the GTR to a bunch of half a million dollar worth exotics. Try compareing the GTR to a European car costing the same, and in everything but 'appeal to brand snobs', the GTR will thrash the opposition.

And I wasn't going to vote, but I just voted for Japanese just to spite those stupid snobs.

 

[BMD_999]

Simple, Germans got the formula! I appreciate & respect Japanese work but still, not near Germans!

Agreed. Just compare the Skyline series with the 911. Examine the entirety of their histories. Try to unwrap the sushi and the wurst. You will see that the former is not as passionate as the latter. The Skyline does not stir emotions as lovely as the 911.

 

[ateekt]

^^^ Imo, 911 is more executive & sporty than a Skyline! However, Skyline's history is full of success marks!

 

[BMD_999]

I think you just helped make the point by comparing the GTR to a bunch of half a million dollar worth exotics. Try compareing the GTR to a European car costing the same, and in everything but 'appeal to brand snobs', the GTR will thrash the opposition.

And I wasn't going to vote, but I just voted for Japanese just to spite those stupid snobs.

I perfectly got your point. I have noticed that trend through the years.

 

[NarutoRamen]

Agreed. Just compare the Skyline series with the 911. Examine the entirety of their histories. Try to unwrap the sushi and the wurst. You will see that the former is not as passionate as the latter. The Skyline does not stir emotions as lovely as the 911.

What the f__k are you talking about? Do you even know the history of Skylines? Dude, I get it that you don't like japanese cars, but please not compare to cars that have nothing to do with each other. Also, you need to stop stating your opinions as facts. It is exactly this kind of Brand (in your case rigion) snobbery that Sunny is talking about. It's sad that people like you can't seem to see beyond your own biases and look at things objectively.

 

[BMD_999]

^^^ Well said, however, for some reasons (imo) 911 is more executive & complete performer than Skyline!

Yes. The Skyline and the 911. The sushi and the wurst. That was and this still is an analogy. Now with the bite. The wurst has that crunchy-bite-intro ("krrwk"). And once you're inside, those tasty fillings are sure to satisfy even if you eat it without sauces or anything beside it. The sushi? The introductory bite is the exact opposite. The fillings are almost tasteless unless you dip it into a sauce loaded with wasabi just like the Skyline needs to be soaked with wasabi-sauce type of modifications in order to squeeze in some 1000hp+. All of these are made just to add some taste into the Skyline because it simply lacks flavour. The true flavour is revealed when you strip it bare with no add-ons whatsoever.

 

[Sunny]

Yes. The Skyline and the 911. The sushi and the wurst. That was and this still is an analogy. Now with the bite. The wurst has that crunchy-bite-intro ("krrwk"). And once you're inside, those tasty fillings are sure to satisfy even if you eat it without sauces or anything beside it. The sushi? The introductory bite is the exact opposite. The fillings are almost tasteless unless you dip it into a sauce loaded with wasabi just like the Skyline needs to be soaked with wasabi-sauce type of modifications in order to squeeze in some 1000hp+. All of these are made just to add some taste into the Skyline because it simply lacks flavour. The true flavour is revealed when you strip it bare with no add-ons whatsoever.

Dude, bad analogy. And if you need wasabi to enjoy sushi, you need to find a better sushi place.

 

[BMD_999]

i would still have to say that the germans are more respectable.

i mean the japanese are fantastic at taking things and improving them, to every possible end. it's very possible that they make the best value, most reliable, most fuel effecient/ for power cars in the world.

but i just can't respect them as much as the germans because they haven't really innovated anything major.

the germans invented the car, and so on

Same thing goes with me. The list goes on...Traction control, the first true stability control. The Japanese are respectable but not as respectable as the German ones. Yes the Japanese are good--in copying. And sometimes, they try to improve upon the existing technologies. And with it comes some success. But then again, the Japanese did not make a significant impact on automotive history.

 

[VroomVroom]

Skylines and Subarus Imprezas are just modern day quattros....

Simple as.

You can try and deny it, but you would be wrong.

 

[BMD_999]

What the f__k are you talking about? Do you even know the history of Skylines? Dude, I get it that you don't like japanese cars, but please not compare to cars that have nothing to do with each other. Also, you need to stop stating your opinions as facts. It is exactly this kind of Brand (in your case rigion) snobbery that Sunny is talking about. It's sad that people like you can't seem to see beyond your own biases and look at things objectively.

Yes, I admit that I am not a Japanese car lover. But you know, I love a selected few: The Subarus especially the Imprezas and of course, the Honda NSX-R (2002).

 

[VroomVroom]

Yes, I admit that I am not a Japanese car lover. But you know, I love a selected few: The Subarus especially the Imprezas and of course, the Honda NSX-R (2002).

My personal favorite was the p1 22b and the r33 Skyline

 

[NarutoRamen]

Dude, bad analogy. And if you need wasabi to enjoy sushi, you need to find a better sushi place.

Damnit!! Now I want sushi. There is an awesome place by my house, it's cheap and delicious!!

Same thing goes with me. The list goes on...Traction control, the first true stability control. The Japanese are respectable but not as respectable as the German ones. Yes the Japanese are good--in copying. And sometimes, they try to improve upon the existing technologies. And with it comes some success. But then again, the Japanese did not make a significant impact on automotive history.

Every company has copied the next. Most companies don't develop the tech used in their cars, rather, they purchase it from different companies. Dupont paint, Bosch electronics, Bang & Olufsson sound system, Delphi components, Brembo Brakes, HELLA lighting, ZF transmissions, etc. The list goes on man.

Yes, I admit that I am not a Japanese car lover. But you know, I love a selected few: The Subarus especially the Imprezas and of course, the Honda NSX-R (2002).

You sure as hell don't sound like you like any japanese car. The way you're talking you make it seem like Japanese are second class citizens of the world because their car companies "copy" products.

 

[Cashmere]

Yes. The Skyline and the 911. The sushi and the wurst. That was and this still is an analogy. Now with the bite. The wurst has that crunchy-bite-intro ("krrwk"). And once you're inside, those tasty fillings are sure to satisfy even if you eat it without sauces or anything beside it. The sushi? The introductory bite is the exact opposite. The fillings are almost tasteless unless you dip it into a sauce loaded with wasabi just like the Skyline needs to be soaked with wasabi-sauce type of modifications in order to squeeze in some 1000hp+. All of these are made just to add some taste into the Skyline because it simply lacks flavour. The true flavour is revealed when you strip it bare with no add-ons whatsoever.

 

[NarutoRamen]

^^LOL, WT-f?

 

[BMD_999]

German Engineering!

Japanese engineering is only a copy German engineering

The Group B Rally days... The Audi is flying... Literally and Figuratively.
What about the boxer engines? Where did they came from?

 

[NarutoRamen]

The Group B Rally days... The Audi is flying... Literally and Figuratively.
What about the boxer engines? Where did they came from?

Boxer engine was first Patented by Karl Benz, what's your point? Guess who makes the best boxer engines in the world? Subaru. It still proves nothing. OMG, japanese are making cars...they are copying the europeans. /sarcasm

What are you trying to prove?

 

[BMD_999]

Damnit!! Now I want sushi. There is an awesome place by my house, it's cheap and delicious!!



Every company has copied the next. Most companies don't develop the tech used in their cars, rather, they purchase it from different companies. Dupont paint, Bosch electronics, Bang & Olufsson sound system, Delphi components, Brembo Brakes, HELLA lighting, ZF transmissions, etc. The list goes on man.



You sure as hell don't sound like you like any japanese car. The way you're talking you make it seem like Japanese are second class citizens of the world because their car companies "copy" products.

With the tone of my posts above, it will appear that I don't like any Japanese car. But I am seriously honest. I like Imprezas and the NSX-R.

 

[coolraoul]

I don't like all that "copy"-thing.
A car is not defined by the amount of equipments and gadgets fitted into it, neither is it defined by the type of motor it has. Neither by the design of its exterior.

We are talking about engineering here. A car is above all an engineering prowess, the assembly of thousands of pieces.

And in that matter, no one can deny the Japanese are making an outstanding job. Especially in terms of quality/price relation.

Japanses cars are extremely well engineered, extremely well priced, and very reliable. They might not be the most exciting, but are the most real-life-adapted.

Difference is that the germans are always aiming at the high-end market, therefore more exciting, whereas the Japanses's main market is the middle-class. So less nice innovations; but excellent relaibility, price, practicability.


Thing is: what is engineering? Is it the novelty, the innovations? Is it making the best compromises between price, reliability, customer needs?

Cars like the NS-X, Civic R-Type, Skyline GTR, GTR, Lexus LS400 are proving the Japanese can also enter a market they know nothing about and release a first attempt that can rival the established products. If that is not engineering first rate...

German products are always high-end products. Cars too.
Japanses products are more mass-market, middle-class products. cars too. And developping a nice car with a strict budget-limit is not necessarily easier than creating a high-end product with a big pricetag at the end.

Both are the best at what they do. Fantastic engineering.

 

[klier]

I'd say both. The 911 is awesome but so is the PS3.

PS3 isn't awesome, that's the whole point of the PS3. Right now, 'hardcore' gamers play Xbox360. Playstation used to be awesome. Playstation 2 used to be awesome. Playstation 3 isn't. Expensive and only a few games, most of them crappy.
Sony as a whole isn't what is used to be anymore. They used to be a big innovator of the industry, but aren't anymore. A Walkman has become an iPod, and a Playstation has become a Wii or 360. 2008 is the first time in 14 years they make a loss again @ Sony.
But I do understand your point Luw; 911 and Nintendo would've been better

Germans have pretty much invented everything in the 20th century, and the only Japanese car I really like is the new GTR.

Guess who makes the best boxer engines in the world? Subaru. It still proves nothing.

Eerrr....no...lol. Porsche makes infinitely better ones. Subaru has the first ever Boxer Diesel engine, but that's about it. Don't think it's even that good.

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AND ONE MORE THING:

Since I see Sushi all the time: The Japanese should stop eating freaking Sushi the whole day!!!! 85% off all Tuna fish in the Mediterranean sea are being exported to Japan, and the fish now almost is extinct. A gigantic shame!

 

[NarutoRamen]

Eerrr....no...lol. Porsche makes infinitely better ones. Subaru has the first ever Boxer Diesel engine, but that's about it. Don't think it's even that good.

Porsche only makes performance engines and wins awards for them, Subaru is making both performance and daily engines and winning award for them, not to mention advancing the technology into the Boxer Diesel engine category. Since they are advancing rather than refining, I'd give Subaru the tip of the hat for being ahead. It's not like they can't make powerful reliable performance engines, STi and WRC cars have something to say about that.