C-Class (W205) [Spyshots] 2015 Mercedes-Benz C-Class (W205) Spy Photos

[Gianclaudio]

I see old people in the three cars you mentioned. Well, except the C class coupe which also looks cheap. An Evoque is another good example: aimed at young people and looks very nice.

Regards!

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Actually, I feel the C-Coupe has none of those cunning characters of the new Benzes, as it's an older design, and looks very "old man" for a Coupe, that's part of my problem with it. The E Sedan and Coupe I feel both look far more youthful and dynamic than a 2-Door C-Class.... which should be the quintessential youthful Benz.

That Accord/Sunfire greenhouse, huuuuge rear window, and generally non sexy shape make it lack in the "youthful" department when you compare it to slicker and sexier cars like the E92 and A5. That's why it annoys me.

KA, if you think the E looks more youthfull than the C-coupe, you need to go get your eyes checked. I fear you've been staring at the lines on you E too long and may be having trouble focusing.

 

[K-A]

The E's got much sharper and more cunning lines. It's a much more aggressively and dynamically formed design. Though, yes, it looks more mature, stately and expensive, but that doesn't mean "old" or not "youthful" to me. The C Sedan is a youthful looking, yet not goofy Sedan. The C Coupe doesn't look youthful to me. It looks like an old persons Coupe, and not a "rich old person" for that matter. Just because it's a 2-Door doesn't give it a youthful appearance to me. To me, a Coupe is ALL about the greenhouse, which is essentially what makes a Coupe, a Coupe, and the C Coupe's looks like it's going for the Pontiac Sunfire demographic.

Hot Ice: I know what you mean, but I don't think M-B's current lineup looks any more youthful compared to the cars around it than old M-B's did compared to the cars around them. Sure, they may compared to older M-B's, but I don't think that's a fair comparison (and hard to justify, anyway, considering the time period differences). M-B slashing weird lines everywhere doesn't make a car look more youthful to me (more goofy, possibly ). M-B's always looked fresh for their times. I think with M-B, people mix up a stigma of "old" with what it always is and always should be: MATURE/CLASSY!

As for the C Coupe, it doesn't follow any of those extraverted aspects you mention that are apparently taking M-B into a more "youth focused" game, anyway. The Design is very upright and straight forward, maybe the most basically designed M-B on the market right now, IMO.

Gian: Once again, agreed.

M-B has ALWAYS had kids fawning over them. It has ALWAYS been the ultimate dream car! Why do you think Rappers and young Celebs always buy and bought them first? Because they were kids who made enough money to get them. The reason BMW has always been seen as a more youthful company is because their flagship is the 3-Series. M-B has always been the brand where you want the big boy, the most expensive one, and only older people could usually afford that.

 

[GTA45E]

K-A you got to realize this is MBs first C-Coupe for entery-level production. That alone should tell you thay are not going to "nail" the design first off the batt!

I actually feel the way you do about the E-coupe in a slight way. To me it`s actually more confused, design wise than the C-Coupe because it has a number of clashing design details that don`t blend quit well and therefore is not a complete success. Remember though, both of these coupes are trying to build off their sedan counterparts with coupe-like themes and that is a challenge. The C doesn`t have as many angles and creases like it`s sedan brother. It`s not perfect but come across as a cleaner design than the E-Coupe imo...

I can imagine the second generation of both coupes will be much more seccessful than the first attempts. This is usually the case.

 

[Gianclaudio]

K-A you got to realize this is MBs first C-Coupe for entery-level production. That alone should tell you thay are not going to "nail" the design first off the batt!

I actually feel the way you do about the E-coupe in a slight way. To me it`s actually more confused, design wise than the C-Coupe because it has a number of clashing design details that don`t blend quit well and therefore is not a complete success. Remember though, both of these coupes are trying to build off their sedan counterparts with coupe-like themes and that is a challenge. The C doesn`t have as many angles and creases like it`s sedan brother. It`s not perfect but come across as a cleaner design than the E-Coupe imo...

I can imagine the second generation of both coupes will be much more seccessful than the first attempts. This is usually the case.

First attempt excuse?

They nailed with the first gen CLS.. at the first attempt. Same with the W208
And don't forget Mercedes have been making timeless, beautiful coupes out of their sedans since ages: W111, W112, W115, W123, C124, C126, etc, etc

I agree with you: e coupe is too fuzzy, and IMO C coupe is too cheap looking. But I can't see the first attempt excuse, I mean, is Mercedees Benz, the oldest car maker..... They used to know how to make proper looking cars, but 2 years ago something changed and now we have these "exotic beauty" things.

Regards

 

[K-A]

K-A you got to realize this is MBs first C-Coupe for entery-level production. That alone should tell you thay are not going to "nail" the design first off the batt!

I actually feel the way you do about the E-coupe in a slight way. To me it`s actually more confused, design wise than the C-Coupe because it has a number of clashing design details that don`t blend quit well and therefore is not a complete success. Remember though, both of these coupes are trying to build off their sedan counterparts with coupe-like themes and that is a challenge. The C doesn`t have as many angles and creases like it`s sedan brother. It`s not perfect but come across as a cleaner design than the E-Coupe imo...

I can imagine the second generation of both coupes will be much more seccessful than the first attempts. This is usually the case.

I agree about the E Coupe as well. To be honest, I think M-B has 2 failed Coupe designs with the C and E, considering what I'd expect and what BMW and Audi are putting out as Coupes in that segment. I think the E Coupe's problem is that the proportions are too compact for it to pull off such a fuzzy and confused, overly busy design, as it at least needs a true E platform to have an elegant length and presence (see 6-Series, at the same dimensions as the 5-Series).

Fortunately, the C and E Sedan variants are about perfect to me.

 

[GTA45E]

First attempt excuse?

They nailed with the first gen CLS.. at the first attempt. Same with the W208
And don't forget Mercedes have been making timeless, beautiful coupes out of their sedans since ages: W111, W112, W115, W123, C124, C126, etc, etc

I agree with you: e coupe is too fuzzy, and IMO C coupe is too cheap looking. But I can't see the first attempt excuse, I mean, is Mercedees Benz, the oldest car maker..... They used to know how to make proper looking cars, but 2 years ago something changed and now we have these "exotic beauty" things.

Regards

Yes. but the CLS and CLK were (are) free standing coupes... Thay were not modeled after sedans. The older ones you mentioned were,.. but think about it. The designs of the 124 E-Class sedan for example was so simple and clean
it was very easy to create a coupe from that sedan body style. The designs of the 2011 E-Class and C-class are quit complex and in my opinion are a bit of a challenging to nail in the purity of a coupe.

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Just for kickers... the 1993 Mercedes Coupe Concept is what begat the 4-lens face on the E-Class sedan.

The facts

Vehicle: Coupe concept
When: March 1993
Where: Geneva Motor Show
What: Four-seater coupe with new Mercedes face and fastback tail
Powertrain: Four-stroke eight-cylinder gasoline engine, 5.0 liter displacement, 235 kW (320 hp), rear-wheel drive, automatic transmission

Technical highlights

•Four-headlamp face -> introduced 1995 in the E-Class (W 210)

•Fastback tail -> introduced 2000 in the C-Class sports coupe (CL 203)

•Gray-tinted all-glass roof -> introduced 2002 in the E-Class (W 211)

•Step-in light

•Front seats with asymmetrical head restraint mounting ("Ergo Wing seats“)

1993 Mercedes-Benz Coupe Concept -

 

[Merc1]

I don't get what all this about concerning the C-Class coupe. It looks just like sedan with 2 less doors. That is what Mercedes coupes have been up until the CLK came out. The C124 300CE was a 300E with 2 less doors, the C126 560SEC followed the same prinicple to a lesser degree. The C123 Coupe was the same as the C124. The C140 was the same. This is what Mercedes stated that they were going back too. They actually stated this in a press release, that they were going back to what made their coupes famous, for the 2-door C-Class. The car looks exactly as it should. All this about it being a failed design and not fully developed is some of the most ridiculous BS I've read here in some time. Look at the C124 Coupe and the C-Class Coupe, they both follow the same principle, a 2-door version of the sedan. Why is that so hard to grasp here? Its a C-Class coupe not a CL or SL, what do you want Mercedes to do here?


M

 

[K-A]

The old Coupes didn't have hideous door frames, though. This looks like a "paste" job to me, i.e it just doesn't appear developed with proper care. I never imagined M-B could make a greenhouse so anti-elegant, especially a Coupe's. The Hoffmeister kink, the gigantic rear window, the cheap-Coupe door frame, the un-sexy way the A-Pillar and roof sweep, it's all just not looking too hot to me.

The C124 was a Sedan based Coupe as well, but they did some heavier engineering clearly, by not only taking off a door frame, but designing it with no B-Pillar (I'm okay with and actually prefer a B-Pillar, but the door frame totally ruins it, Coupe's shouldn't have that).

 

[Merc1]

Its a C-Class, clearly cost is an issue here. If they went all out with the C-Class Coupe then would would be the point of the E-Class coupe when its based on the same chassis? All this about it isn't developed with proper care and lack of engineering is sheer and utter nonsense K/A. What in the world about the car isn't "engineered" right? You're talking about styling, nothing more. No one here has any insight on the way the car was actually "engineered", only the way it was styled. Its a 30K car, not a 60K one. For the price of the old 300CE was back in 1988 (like 55-60K) it should have been done the way it was. The C-Class is entry level, you can't hold it to same standard as the E or CL coupe designs.

M

 

[Gianclaudio]

And how BMW manage to make the 3er coupe look special (at least, much more than a C coupe)? And it's also a "30k" car....

 

[GTA45E]

And how BMW manage to make the 3er coupe look special (ate least, much more than a C coupe)? And it's also a "30k" car....

^
Thats all personal taste.. The 3-Series to me doesn`t look any more special than the C. It`s older and a little more developed looking.


Good points Merc1 but how did BMW manage to give the 1-Series coupe frameless doors without driving up costs. It still looks kind of silly with the B-pillar there imo.
(I can only imagine the C-coupe has a stronger roof and is better engineered than the 1er.)

 

[Merc1]

The 3er Coupe looking more special than the C-Class is a matter of opinion/taste. I happen to agree though the 3 is a better looking car.


Don't know how BMW gave the 1er what it has. Mercedes would have gone pillarless also if they didn't do framed doors. That is reserved for their more expensive cars. I doubt a 190E coupe back in the day would have been pillarless either.

M

 

[Gianclaudio]

BTW, when I say "special" I mean different from the sedan. The 3er coupe have many distinctive details compared to the 3er sedan. And A5 to an A4 even more. The C class coupe doesn't.
That's why I mean it doesn't feel special.

Regards

 

[GTA45E]

^
Ok, that clears thing up a bit. If your going to look at it this way, the Audi A5 is the clear winner.


I still like the C-coupe though... I indicated last-week in another thread that I spoke to a Mercedes salesman from a dealer in my area about the C-coupe... he says thay are flying off the shelf, with orders are backed up about 3-months.
He said singles (40 and under) are it`s customers.

Another look at the sales chart.

 

[klier]

The 3er Coupe looking more special than the C-Class is a matter of opinion/taste. I happen to agree though the 3 is a better looking car.

M

No, wrong.
The 3er coupe IS more special (or different, if you will) from a 3er sedan. Every body panel has different proportions, the lights are different and the grille is different. It's not a simple sedan with two doors cut off. And it has never been. 3er coupe has always been a fully individual design. A true coupe that mimics the sedan design the best it can.

Audi did right in copying that with the A5. And they did even better with naming it A5 instead of A4 coupe (what it really is), because we now have a lot of people like GTA who actually believe an A5 is more premium than an A4.
They did this so well even, that BMW might drop the 3er coupe badge and rename it 4er. Sad but true.

Don't know how BMW gave the 1er what it has. Mercedes would have gone pillarless also if they didn't do framed doors.
M

1er doesn't have a pillarless design. B pillars will always be there in a BMW coupe (and yes, the 8er pillarless was a mistake).
And I don't think doors without framed windows are much of a cost issue. If you are going to design new doors for a coupe (that are much longer than a 5 door hatch or 4 door sedan), you might as will give it frameless windows. The 1er 3-door has frameless doors too, and the 1er hatch is the most budget BMW on sale.

 

[Merc1]

No, wrong.
The 3er coupe IS more special (or different, if you will) from a 3er sedan. Every body panel has different proportions, the lights are different and the grille is different. It's not a simple sedan with two doors cut off. And it has never been. 3er coupe has always been a fully individual design. A true coupe that mimics the sedan design the best it can.

Audi did right in copying that with the A5. And they did even better with naming it A5 instead of A4 coupe (what it really is), because we now have a lot of people like GTA who actually believe an A5 is more premium than an A4.
They did this so well even, that BMW might drop the 3er coupe badge and rename it 4er. Sad but true.




1er doesn't have a pillarless design. B pillars will always be there in a BMW coupe (and yes, the 8er pillarless was a mistake).
And I don't think doors without framed windows are much of a cost issue. If you are going to design new doors for a coupe (that are much longer than a 5 door hatch or 4 door sedan), you might as will give it frameless windows. The 1er 3-door has frameless doors too, and the 1er hatch is the most budget BMW on sale.

Is is that you just choose not to read what you're responding to or do you simply feel the need to respond because its BMW? Half-baked, ridiculous rebuttals to an argument that isn't even there?

At no point anywhere did I post anything different or disputing anything different from what you said? Can you read or not Klier?


I didn't say anything about nothing you're posting about Klier. If the 3 was special or not or why, whether or not the 1er has a pillarless design, or anything of that you just posted. SMH.



M

 

[klier]

Wow, lol. It's becoming a trend to be awfully rude here these days. Maybe I should just join the bandwagon as it appears to be ok.
If anything, you can see I misunderstood you with my reply. So instead of attacking me like I'm some random idiot, you could have taken the time instead to say what you did mean.

My post was not a troll post nor was I attacking the beloved Star. That reply was uncalled for.

 

[GTA45E]

^
OT

Maby it`s your style... you tend to swing from one big extreme to another with rock like impacting force, without being aware of it.

You needs to collect yourself better and cool down a bit. Your not the only one.. I have to catch myself as well doing that...


You guys are funny as Hell, cheers!

 

[Merc1]

Wow, lol. It's becoming a trend to be awfully rude here these days. Maybe I should just join the bandwagon as it appears to be ok.
If anything, you can see I misunderstood you with my reply. So instead of attacking me like I'm some random idiot, you could have taken the time instead to say what you did mean.

My post was not a troll post nor was I attacking the beloved Star. That reply was uncalled for.

You're saying "No, Wrong" to something that wasn't even being argued or disputed. That is where the response came from you. You never seem to grasp what is going on and then come in mid-conversation without knowing what is being discussed or what you're talking about.

Nothing was being disputed about the 3er or 1er was my point.


M