S-Class (W223) [Spy Shots] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Spy Shots and Info

[empower77]

Mercedes wanted to push the Maybach S560 so that meant killing S600. Plain and simple.

Not sure that makes sense. Both targeting different customers. In the western world, I don’t think people would pick a Maybach over say a flying spur. Where I live there are tons of S classes (even a lot of AMGs) than Maybachs. I think I have seen more CFS and Ghosts than Maybachs.

the Maybach brand is more prevalent in Asian countries because they are perfect chauffeur driven cars. But with the advent of the LWB Range Rover, X7 and even the GLS, I’m not sure how the S Maybach will fare

 

[Rolf]

It would be great if they had a S650 LWB Sclass with the 635PS V12 and not just in the Maybach would be a nice gap filler between the 525PS S580 and 816PS S63e

 

[TATE]

It would be great if they had a S650 LWB Sclass with the 635PS V12 and not just in the Maybach would be a nice gap filler between the 525PS S580 and 816PS S63e

the gap in between the s580 and the amg s63 is tremendous. That's why i should say that another car will be placed In between.
JESM said some days ago that 2 rear e engines could be adopted for the amg s class.
S63 with v8 plus 135hp e engine and s73 ,or whatever they call it, with the same v8 plus a 204 hp e engine. In my opinion they are right.
Remember, the w222 had s63 and s65.... So i am convinced that there will be 2 amg s class w223.

 

[Grosser]

The price in the US was around $160-170K, and some people did buy them. So a buyer may spend $180-190K for a car. Given it is simply an optioned S-Class with items available for the base car why not offer it? I believe you can get almost all if not all of what the S600 has on a S500 except the V12 which I believe will still be available through the Maybach.

I have never seen W222 S600 but I did see Maybach's & S63/S65 so many times. Still believe that S600 is a poor seller

 

[hannaz]

the Maybach brand is more prevalent in Asian countries because they are perfect chauffeur driven cars. But with the advent of the LWB Range Rover, X7 and even the GLS, I’m not sure how the S Maybach will fare

Inspite of all these larger SUVs in market Maybach was doing pretty well and is a big success for the simple reason that a limo is much more elegant and valued over any SUVs. Hence RR still have Phantom as their flagship.

As rightly mentioned Maybach is meant for chauffeured market, but even the LWB S-Class are used as chauffeured in many of the western world market.

 

[Serpens]

The price in the US was around $160-170K, and some people did buy them. So a buyer may spend $180-190K for a car. Given it is simply an optioned S-Class with items available for the base car why not offer it? I believe you can get almost all if not all of what the S600 has on a S500 except the V12 which I believe will still be available through the Maybach.

It was a poor seller in the U.S. Much easier to make selling the V12 worth it by pushing those "gotta have it" buyers to a Maybach.

 

[MAJESTIC]

What is the S680? I bet the S63 will have a base near or above $150K.

Why is this so alarming? The current S63 starts at $152,000.

 

[Merc1]

All I want to know is what the base S will be in the U.S. I think this time it should be the S500 (435hp), instead of a S450.

M

 

[empower77]

All I want to know is what the base S will be in the U.S. I think this time it should be the S500 (435hp), instead of a S450.

M

I hope the starting price is still <100K. Big sedans are not doing as well as even 10 years ago. People prefer the likes of the GLS/ X7 / RR to the S/7/A8

 

[Max D]

Why is this so alarming? The current S63 starts at $152,000.

Absolutely. For that tech with 800+HP the price should be much closer to S65's $180,000 or even higher. I'd be very surprised if the price is below $170,000.
And I think it could be a problem, in sales count sence, for Mercedes if they have realy decided to push to the markets the only one AMG model.
Look at this...

the gap in between the s580 and the amg s63 is tremendous. That's why i should say that another car will be placed In between.
JESM said some days ago that 2 rear e engines could be adopted for the amg s class.
S63 with v8 plus 135hp e engine and s73 ,or whatever they call it, with the same v8 plus a 204 hp e engine. In my opinion they are right.
Remember, the w222 had s63 and s65.... So i am convinced that there will be 2 amg s class w223.

The power and tech gap is realy huge. And I can't believe the price gap could be small in that case. The S63 with V8 and 600-650 HP (without P3 e-motor, like GT63 4-door) seemed to be the perfect filling for that gap. But now I'm not sure what the strategy Mercedes has chosen. Today rumors contradict with my intuition. Maybe some hidden factors like average model line CO2 emission fines or hybrid pure electric distance come into the play. Don't know.
But in the same time I don't believe in simultaneous existence of S63e (with M177+135hp P3-motor) and S73e (with M177+204hp P3-motor).
204hp -135hp = 69 hp. Is that all the tech difference between two AMG models? Too close. I do not see any sence in this.
'... 2 rear e engines could be adopted for the amg s class'. Yes, believe it. But absolutely sure S73 in 223 generation (at least pre-facelifted) get one e-motor in the rear. The same powertrain as in GT73 4-door, the teaser of which we have already seen. One P3 motor is placed before rear differential. Two motors in the rear (P3 or P4?) are placed after differential. It's obvious another construction. And do not forget that Moers announced using of 2-speed transmission for that P3 e-motor. Yes, it could be just a sun gear set, but it comprises gears, clutch, housing. And it is not a simple task to duplicate and relocate motor-transmission pair in the rear axle.

 

[AHall42631]

Why is this so alarming? The current S63 starts at $152,000.

What is alarming or the reason I give it a thumb down is because I want to pay less. I understand s600 is low volume with few sales, but as stated above I do not see how it is an added expense for Mercedes. I could be wrong but is is not like just ordering an S500 with all the options and an upgraded engine? Just label it as the S600 option/package. Where is the added cost for Mercedes?

I do not see how you can get an S without all the goodies offered. Rear wheel steering, executive seating, HUD display and quilted seats are must haves, right???

When I think of the S500 or higher I feel like it should have a V8. I know things are changing and maybe ICE are headed out, but for now I need the V8.

 

[TheDeadMan]

As rightly mentioned Maybach is meant for chauffeured market, but even the LWB S-Class are used as chauffeured in many of the western world market.

In Maybach's biggest market China,I don't know the rare S 680(what the S 650 was called here),but most of those models below which are actually being driven by owner themselves.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

S350d 286 hp, OM656
S400d 330 hp, OM656
S450 367 hp+20 hp, M256
S500 435 hp+20 hp , M256
S580 525 hp+20 hp, M177
S580e 367 hp+143 hp, M256
S680 612 hp, M279
S63e 612 hp+204 hp, M177

S350 299hp, M256(Asian market, already in last batch of W222 in China)

 

[Rolf]

S350 299hp, M256(Asian market, already in last batch of W222 in China)

Wow you get a W222 S350 with a 299PS M256 in Asian market. Are you sure its not the older V6? I know they wont put the 4cylinder in the Sclass it would be blasphemous haha

 

[TheDeadMan]

Wow you get a W222 S350 with a 299PS M256 in Asian market. Are you sure its not the older V6? I know they wont put the 4cylinder in the Sclass it would be blasphemous haha

It's the L4,even the G wagon will pack that engine that appears as G 350.

 

[J.E]

If MBUSA is ought to follow BMW USA "footsteps", then the S580 will be 4Matic only.

 

[S600]

I know they wont put the 4cylinder in the Sclass it would be blasphemous haha

remember the 221 S250 CDI

 

[HUTSUTAo]

It's the L4,even the G wagon will pack that engine that appears as G 350.

No, it is a detuned m256 in line 6 in the s350 that is for sale in China now. I know they used to put a m264 L4 engine in the s350 before this but MB China gave it a new engine for the 2020 model year.

I know it is confusing as the s320 in my market(Singapore) uses a m276 v6 engine that produces 268hp.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

Mercedes’s engine nomenclature is extremely confusing. The same model nomenclature can be totally different engines in different markets. For instance, the E200 is currently offered in the 1.5 L4(China, Japan, etc )and 2.0 L4(Singapore).

Another example will be the s450. Some markets receive the new L6 while the American market receives the old v6.

 

[TheDeadMan]

No, it is a detuned m256 in line 6 in the s350 that is for sale in China now. I know they used to put a m264 L4 engine in the s350 before this but MB China gave it a new engine for the 2020 model year.

I know it is confusing as the s320 in my market(Singapore) uses a m276 v6 engine that produces 268hp.

Yea,my bad,I meant the M264,the entry level 223 definitely will pack this L4.