GT (C190) [Spy shots] Mercedes-Benz AMG GT (C190)

[W201]

Very elaborate post.

But, this got me thinking: let's say that you are right, and that AML will become one of Daimler's ultra-luxury brands. Do they (DAI) know how to manage that kind of portfolio? We saw how Maybach was mismanaged... Even the brand itself was destroyed. Also, in the long term - is there a possibility that Bez will replace Zetsche at the helm of DAI when the time comes? And what about Lagonda brand coming back to life? Would it make sense that Lagonda is a more direct competitor to the RR and Bentley, at least in UltraLux-SUVs and UltraLux Sedans?

Anyways, as a fan M-B, I'm happy about this agreement, but I still want DAI to be leader in new technologies (whether is it the materials, powertrain, or e/e), rather than have a nice portfolio of brands.

 

[Kilcrohane]

Very elaborate post.

But, this got me thinking: let's say that you are right, and that AML will become one of Daimler's ultra-luxury brands. Do they (DAI) know how to manage that kind of portfolio?

- you're over complicating. All it is essentially is AM badges stuck on £150k+ variants of the AMG SLC/GT, and, more importantly to Daimler, AM or AM Lagonda badges stuck on £150k+ rebodied versions of the ML/GL/MLC etc.. That's all it is.

We saw how Maybach was mismanaged... Even the brand itself was destroyed. Also, in the long term - is there a possibility that Bez will replace Zetsche at the helm of DAI when the time comes?

- no. Bez must be about the same age as Zetsche[nope, he's 69! - but looks younger than Zetsche!] - near to compulsory retirement[well past] in German board structures. A company like Daimler doesn't acquire a financially failing, sub 4,000 units a year outfit, and then appoint its boss as boss of the whole concern. This is Bez's final curtain call/swan song; and an excellent way to bow out, having secured the best that could be got from the otherwise finished AM operation, for the future.

Anyways, as a fan M-B, I'm happy about this agreement, but I still want DAI to be leader in new technologies (whether is it the materials, powertrain, or e/e), rather than have a nice portfolio of brands.

- they are a leader - see 'MBC' on the S-Class for just one - and yes, they now have a shiny new brand name with which to brand engineer their soccer mom SUVs into Arab/Russian oligarch playthings.[/quote]

 

[Pagani]

er, it's the other way round. Aston Martin gets the use of the 'C190' platform. A giant like Daimler's Mercedes-Benz division doesn't get hand-me-downs from a two bob, effectively bust outfit in the boondocks of rural England. Jesus. Sorry, but the level of naivety is astonishing.

My "naivety" is from what I read in this quote: "Our insider told us that the first product to benefit from the replacement for the VH platform won't even be an Aston, but the upcoming 2015 Mercedes-Benz Baby SLS, codenamed C190." The article does a hatchet job of putting forth what you are now pointing out it says. I read it to say that basically Aston is contributing something to the deal of electronics and engines. Replacement to me meant the next generation from the same producer, aka tiny Aston contributing the next generation of VH.

 

[W201]

- you're over complicating. All it is essentially is AM badges stuck on £150k+ variants of the AMG SLC/GT, and, more importantly to Daimler, AM or AM Lagonda badges stuck on £150k+ rebodied versions of the ML/GL/MLC etc.. That's all it is.

What exactly is overcomplicated in my post?

And I don't see what does AML taking DAI's platforms have to do with my question, which is - do they know how to manage that portfolio, considering they didn't not so long ago.

 

[Wolfgang]

A new title appeared which may give some new insights?

Making Aston Martin by Ulrich Bez

 

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

I'd take the front engined SLC over a C2S - I just hope it looks good. If the SLS is a hint at what this thing is going to be, I expect it to blow the competition away. The only thing that hurts this SLS is the Twin clutch that hesitates on upshifts. I have my eyes on MB as my next car.

 

[marley71]

Beautiful profile...and rear 3/4...now just keep the weight down.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/1130821...ied-testing-again-at-nurburgring/highphotos#1

 

[tennmb]

I don't know. Just not into another long nosed GT. Would love to have seen MB with a true mid-engine, behind the driver.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Mercedes should make this the iconic shape for their sports car just as Porsche does with the 911.

 

[Levi68]

I don't know. Just not into another long nosed GT. Would love to have seen MB with a true mid-engine, behind the driver.

There are too many mid-rear engine cars, very few mid front engined cars. There should be choice for all tastes.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Can anybody list the mid-engined MB cars from down the years? Are there any?

 

[DjordjeC63]

CLK GTR

 

[Sunny]

I don't think there were any mid engined production cars from Mercedes (at least not post war). There was the C111 concept car which was mid engined.


Edit-

CLK GTR

Yea good one.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

CLK GTR

Yeah, thanks. You are obviously correct but I believe there were just 25 production cars made of the CLK-GTR.

Other than the CLK-GTR, can anybody think of any other models?

 

[Wolfgang]

Dieter Zetsche explained it a while back.

When Volker Mornhinweg left AMG in April 2010 to head up Mercedes' van division, the advanced plans for a mid-engined coupe/roadster positioned below the SLS suddenly stalled. When asked about the mid-engined car Daimler chairman Dieter Zetsche replied, 'Such a model is not among our top priorities. After all, a mid-engined layout is not part of our DNA.'

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/Mercedes-SLC-the-compact-SLS/

 

[bum-man]

Can anybody list the mid-engined MB cars from down the years? Are there any?

This one if you do not count the GTR:

http://www.germancarforum.com/commu...-the-mercedes-benz-150-sports-roadster.32007/

Of course Mercedes has several concepts/test vehicles from the 60's to 90's.

C112 Looks like it could have been put into production.

 

[Wolfgang]

Fusing two A45 AMG engines for the new 4.0 liter V8 AMG?

The upcoming AMG sports car, codenamed C190, is still having various pre-production prototypes gunning it on the old Nurburgring circuit, the latest one being caught by our spy photographers just yesterday.

We know this is a different prototype than the others that have been caught out in the open so far because the camouflage on the body is a bit different and the car depicted in these latest images has a different license plate.

As we reported before, the baby-SLS will feature a 4-liter twin-turbocharged V8, with around 480 hp in its basic version, with a more powerful 500+ hp Black Series version to be launched later on.

Some rumors say that the entirely new engine will be made essentially fusing two M133 four cylinders from the A 45 AMG together, giving the V8 a theoretically achievable and safe power of 700+ hp while keeping most of the internals untouched.

Whether or not that proves to be true, we do know that a version of the new 4-liter will also power the AMG version of the upcoming W205 C-Class and all its future body variants. In the long run, different versions of the engine will also be used on most of the AMG range of higher-end models.

The most unexpected information about the upcoming long hooded AMG sports car is our take on the platform it will use, which it might share with the entire future Aston Martin lineup instead of the current VH. Stay tuned for more info in the upcoming months, but meanwhile you can check the latest spy shots of the car in the gallery bellow.

http://www.autoevolution.com/merced...-on-the-nordschleife-photo-gallery-65516.html

 

[GTA45E]

Fusing two A45 AMG engines for the new 4.0 liter V8 AMG?

Love the idea, (clean and efficient.)
If it`s true AMG is working on a proper engine note to go along with it.
Love how the SLC is shaping up. There should be a roadster version in the pipeline...

 

[Merc1]

AMG puts out engine after another, must be tiring, but fun work.

Since the M3 and ATS-V and the like are going to 6-cylinder power I hope Mercedes make the C-Class lighter than those cars, but with superior V8 power. That would be the way to do it.

Still don't know what to make of this car though. Another semi, but not quite sports car just isn't needed. If this is a true 911 competitor it is going to have to drive much better than the SLS ever did (aside from the Black Series version), because the basic SLS is something of a mess in the handling department if the press is anything to go by. I also don't want a mini SLS in styling either. Time to break out and do something different.

M

 

[mini_cooper4]

How would you fuse two I4 engines to make a V8 one?
2 x VR4 for a W8... OK! 4 x VR4 for a W16... OK!
2 x VR6 for a W12... OK! But an I4 to V8... by "fusing" !?