5 Series (G60) [Renders] BMW 5 Series G60 2023

[dalab]

Aren’t you surprissed you are the only one liking it?

Not at all, here the opportunity to oust without reason is common currency, they don't even look at the photo, it's a disgusting leak, which only gives a basic idea, but 8 or 10 people can't wait because it's fashionable, they are in all their right, but what will they say when it is officially revealed and they have to retract?

As @leylandi said in the 7 series thread, out of 100,000+ GCF members only two like it, (220 pages thread), but what he says is always true.

What I don't understand is that it's the strangeness of what I said that it has the swing of the 7 series, which is evident, and I'm delighted with this new design philosophy, I hope it meets my expectations, not like the boring G30 or the still more boring and practically exact to the previous generation new E-Class about which there is basically almost nothing to say other than it is a deep LCI

 

[Gor134]

Agreed, the F10 is still aging gracefully in both pre and post-LCI forms. Especially, if they are well maintained. Also, I think this generation is the last time where 5 Series has a proper lean body before getting a bit bloated by the time that pre-LCI G30 has been released which thankfully the LCI version has sharpened and tightened up on some of the bloatedness from an original design.

Agree with this as well. The tight and crisp lines of the F10 aged it a lot better while looking athletic and slim, and the simpler/slimmer lighting elements on the G30 LCI definitely helped with the bulkier body styling of it.

 

[Gor134]

"But that overhang on the Bimmer..."

Meanwhile...

I keep saying: What passes on this forum for design opinion is just hot air passed by the layman.

BMW designs try to change (if not break) the mould of the traditional sedan, at least––if not entirely successfully. For people who can't see that, there is always the safe comfort of the familiar. I wouldn't worry about any so-called design opinions concerning any aspect of this car, not until we see the final thing.

That's a skewed side view of the S Class lmao

Either way, the S-Class's front overhang is shorter, not sure what it even has to do with this discussion of the 5-series though. The S-Class is a full size sedan, so even if it had an overhang as long as the 5er, it would be more proportionate due to how long the overall car is.

Similarly, the new 7er has a longer front overhang than the S-class as well that's been talked about multiple times.

 

[Matski]

That's a skewed side view of the S Class lmao

In fairness, so is that.

 

[dalab]

That's a skewed side view of the S Class lmao

It is an official publicity photo

 

[klugscheisser87]

Comparing a nearly compact 5er to S-Class? Take on the E-Class and back to topic.

Comparing to the E-Class the G60 already stays miles behind with that rised 1er profile and Camry rear. Anyway still not sold on the W214 front, especially in non classic grille spec, but overall it will be hard to beat.

What is still to see is the 5er front end, but I wouldn’t expect too much based what is already leaking.

 

[Gor134]

It is an official publicity photo

Yes but it's not a direct side view. It's angled so you see slightly more of the front than the rear.

 

[dalab]

Comparing to the E-Class the G60 already stays miles behind

Have you seen it? Has it been completely filtered or has the official presentation been brought forward? Please give us the link, otherwise what the hell are you talking about?

 

[SCOTT27]

If that’s it? Then it could be quite decent. Look at how the lights are implemented on the 7/i7. Especially up close compared to How they published in photographs where they lose the three-dimensional effect. But up close we can see the sculptural effect and detailing in full play.

We always see these (low-res) scoops from inside Chinese plants edited to tease but never do we see the actual confirmed evidence
It’s like some kind of narrative is in play.
I guess what we are saying is…

 

[duesy]

That's a skewed side view of the S Class lmao

Either way, the S-Class's front overhang is shorter, not sure what it even has to do with this discussion of the 5-series though. The S-Class is a full size sedan, so even if it had an overhang as long as the 5er, it would be more proportionate due to how long the overall car is.

Similarly, the new 7er has a longer front overhang than the S-class as well that's been talked about multiple times.

Doesn't matter. Line up the 5er next to this shot or the new E and I am not going, "wow, won't you just look at that overhang on the Bimmer."

The larger point, therefore, is that there's no concept or consistency to the commentary on design. People are partisan in their views and often completely bewitched by brand names. Literally, the first gut reaction is what we get on most cars in this forum as a design opinion, and that is often expressed through words such as "beautiful" or "ugly"—when not every car is designed according to that 19th century dichotomy for visual sensibilities.

 

[dalab]

Doesn't matter. Line up the 5er next to this shot or the new E and I am not going, "wow, won't you just look at that overhang on the Bimmer."

The larger point, therefore, is that there's no concept or consistency to the commentary on design. People are partisan in their views and often completely bewitched by brand names. Literally, the first gut reaction is what we get on most cars in this forum as a design opinion, and that is often expressed through words such as "beautiful" or "ugly"—when not every car is designed according to that 19th century dichotomy for visual sensibilities.

I agree, Mercedes is exaggerating a bit with the overhangs lately...

 

[Jacke]

Comparing a nearly compact 5er to S-Class? Take on the E-Class and back to topic.

Comparing to the E-Class the G60 already stays miles behind with that rised 1er profile and Camry rear. Anyway still not sold on the W214 front, especially in non classic grille spec, but overall it will be hard to beat.

What is still to see is the 5er front end, but I wouldn’t expect too much based what is already leaking.

Front overhang is nearly identical

 

[Gor134]

Doesn't matter. Line up the 5er next to this shot or the new E and I am not going, "wow, won't you just look at that overhang on the Bimmer."

Well that's your opinion then. But clearly, multiple people including me have issues with the front overhang, maybe you don't and that's fine, no reason to shut down discussion on a forum just because you disagree with a fairly common opinion.

The larger point, therefore, is that there's no concept or consistency to the commentary on design. People are partisan in their views and often completely bewitched by brand names. Literally, the first gut reaction is what we get on most cars in this forum as a design opinion, and that is often expressed through words such as "beautiful" or "ugly"—when not every car is designed according to that 19th century dichotomy for visual sensibilities.

And I don't know what's this about inconsistency to commentary on design. You do seem to understand that design isn't just a black and white where we either think it's beautiful or ugly, so not sure why you also say commentary on design is inconsistent.

I prefer shorter overhangs, like the F10 5er and current G20 3er especially, however longer overhangs can be tolerated with a longer car, that can proportionally mask that extra length with the rest of the car, not including other factors like the hood and a-pillar sloping. That's a very consistent commentary on design I would say, and it changes based on proportions... The new 5er's overhang is clearly longer, and the rising hood definitely contributes to making the overhang look longer than it is, as opposed to a flatter hood.

On an off-topic note, something I always like to compare is the 2009-2014 Subaru STI vs the 2015-2021 STI... both have very long overhangs, but the 09-14's looks significantly better due to the flatter hoodline combined with the more upright A-pillar and the way the wide fender flows into the bumper.. the point I'm trying to make is there's many factors that affect how a car looks more than just proportions and length, and judging what we can see from the 5er, I think it's fair to make the statement that the front overhang does look too long.

 

[Gor134]

Front overhang is nearly identical

Is this a joke? LMAO. The front wheels aren't even aligned in these photos to judge the front overhang length.

 

[Jacke]

Is this a joke? LMAO. The front wheels aren't even aligned in these photos to judge the front overhang length.

Cant match the wheels as the E-Class seems to be larger than the 5-ser,you can clearly see the fron overhang dont have that much of a difference

 

[Gor134]

Did my best to align both of these photos.

 

[duesy]

Well that's your opinion then. But clearly, multiple people including me have issues with the front overhang, maybe you don't and that's fine, no reason to shut down discussion on a forum just because you disagree with a fairly common opinion.


And I don't know what's this about inconsistency to commentary on design. You do seem to understand that design isn't just a black and white where we either think it's beautiful or ugly, so not sure why you also say commentary on design is inconsistent.

I prefer shorter overhangs, like the F10 5er and current G20 3er especially, however longer overhangs can be tolerated with a longer car, that can proportionally mask that extra length with the rest of the car, not including other factors like the hood and a-pillar sloping. That's a very consistent commentary on design I would say, and it changes based on proportions... The new 5er's overhang is clearly longer, and the rising hood definitely contributes to making the overhang look longer than it is, as opposed to a flatter hood.

On an off-topic note, something I always like to compare is the 2009-2014 Subaru STI vs the 2015-2021 STI... both have very long overhangs, but the 09-14's looks significantly better due to the flatter hoodline combined with the more upright A-pillar and the way the wide fender flows into the bumper.. the point I'm trying to make is there's many factors that affect how a car looks more than just proportions and length, and judging what we can see from the 5er, I think it's fair to make the statement that the front overhang does look too long.

Yes, it's "your opinion" for sure, which is precisely that and nothing else, not even remotely.

This is "beautiful". One of Manet's Waterlillies. Goes for $45 mills and you hang it, if you can afford to leave it on a wall, in your spa or villa. It is, according to aesthetic theory, "beautiful", because it intimates harmony with the familiar, pleasurable and likable. Any guest can relate to this stuff.

This is a 1969 Franci Bacon Triptych, for about $165 mills. If you can afford to hang it on a wall, you put it in your corporate boardroom or personal library to project violence or provoke your visitors. In aesthetic theory, the concept for it is not "beautiful" or "ugly" but the "sublime" and "grotesque." Its aesthetic function is not to imitate or intimate but to shock, thrill or even confuse the viewer, so as to invoke/free deeper, repressed reactions--and it is not for everyone; the average Joe would call it "ugly" or whatever.

So yes, there is a great deal more to opine about than the "black and/or whiteness" of an aesthetic experience. People pay millions more for such nuances.

 

[duesy]

Did my best to align both of these photos.

Wow! Look at that overhang on the Bimmer. It's sooooo different from the Merc's. Unforgivable how long it is. Let's go back to praising the Merc.

 

[Merc1]

That's a skewed side view of the S Class lmao

Either way, the S-Class's front overhang is shorter, not sure what it even has to do with this discussion of the 5-series though. The S-Class is a full size sedan, so even if it had an overhang as long as the 5er, it would be more proportionate due to how long the overall car is.

Similarly, the new 7er has a longer front overhang than the S-class as well that's been talked about multiple times.

Gotta love it. Delusional BMW fanatics.

M

 

[Merc1]

Now you should wait to give your opinion on the design, but in the mean time I'll give you mine, said the long time forum BMW mouthpiece. Then lets find a made up picture to prove something that doesn't exists about overhangs. As if that will make the BMW look any better. It's a tough job forcing yourself to like any and everything your fav brand shites out.

M