Defender [Renders] 2019 Land Rover Defender

[DjordjeC63]

Lada Niva is unibody.

 

[Serpens]

Lada Niva is unibody.

So is one of America's beloved off road tools of the past, the Jeep Cherokee. A lot of the remaining ones are living out the rest of their lives like this:

 

[DjordjeC63]

Well Cherokee has some sort of chassis, they call it uniframe. Bars are attached to body, not body to bars/frame.

 

[Centurion]

Then it's of no interest.

I have no interest for a unibody Defender as I always regarded it as a tool.

I've got some experience in proper off-roading from my years working as site engineer, when we used to have a few Suzuki Jimnys and Samurais, a couple of 4x4 Navaras. All those vehicles would perform exceptional under the conditions. The most impress...

JLR have said that the new Defender will be the most off-road capable land rover ever. Do you think that won't be possible with a unibody?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

JLR have said that the new Defender will be the most off-road capable land rover ever. Do you think that won't be possible with a unibody?

It is more a matter of durability. The unibody is not that strong and it flexes too much which greatly decreases its lifetime when used hard.

 

[Centurion]

It is more a matter of durability. The unibody is not that strong and it flexes too much which greatly decreases its lifetime when used hard.

Durability will be a concern for Defender enthusiasts who love the predecessor for its simplicity and easy-to-replace parts.

 

[DjordjeC63]

It is more a matter of durability. The unibody is not that strong and it flexes too much which greatly decreases its lifetime when used hard.

They could make it stronger than that old Defender design, right...

 

[Giannis]

JLR have said that the new Defender will be the most off-road capable land rover ever. Do you think that won't be possible with a unibody?

It's exactly what CrunchSlaughtered wrote below.

It is more a matter of durability. The unibody is not that strong and it flexes too much which greatly decreases its lifetime when used hard.

 

[DjordjeC63]

@Giannis but newer technologies and materials (defender is 1983. design, maybe even older if it shares something with Series II or Series III) could enable this new one to be as same as rigid or still not?
Btw IMO bigger problem is its front attack angle (looks like poor ground clearance). But it could be better in production car?

 

[Giannis]

defender is 1983

And it still works today!

It's such a simple and durable design that just works. Why replace it with something more complicated, more difficult and expensive to fix and not equally as capable?

Again, in my book, the Defender is a tool, not a fashion item!

If I understand this correctly, a ladder chassis certainly doesn't have the torsional rigidity of a unibody frame, but exactly due to this, such a (ladder) chassis can cope with extreme loads. The ladder frame flexes to such a degree that's impossible for a unibody chassis.

It's terrible on the road, but if you bought a Defender to cruise down the motorway, then you get what you deserve.

 

[DjordjeC63]

Oh, how much more comfortable was G class than Defender, friend had G from 80s and Def from 90s. Ofcourse both were used offroad (but to get to offroad you have to first drive onroad)
Defender is probably most uncomfortable "car" that I was driven in. Maybe Suzuki Samurai can be rougher, but I didn't try it.
IMO last Defender was waaay to long in market (at least in that shape), it didn't get updates as G class had many since birth. Jeep Wrangler got new models regulary and it is still good offroader (maybe best of those three?) and IMO it is good recipe.

 

[Matski]

Again, in my book, the Defender is a tool, not a fashion item!

Won't appeal to the G-Class crowd then.

 

[Centurion]

Won't appeal to the G-Class crowd then.

This time it will be autobiographied. Gerry McGovern has repeatedly said that he want to put aftermarket pimp-my-landrover firms out of business. He is a bit arrogant.

So far it seems that SVO kits hasn't achieved that. There are countless range rovers and defenders on the market with £20-40k worth of upgrades by Khan, Urban, Overfinch and the Chelsea Truck Company.

 

[KiwiRob]

Kahn and the Chelsea Truck Company are same company.

 

[DjordjeC63]

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Another brick in the wall: Lego kit is latest clue to new Land Rover Defender
Piece by piece, we're learning more

We know a new Land Rover Defender's coming. We've seen it in spy shots, we've seen it as a hybrid in spy shots, we've seen it in official JLR spy shots while road-testing in exotic places, we know where it will be built, we know it's coming to North America, and we know when it will be revealed— although it was sorta-kinda just revealed, at least in Lego form.

So says Bob of Bob's Vintage Bricks, who tweeted the image.

And so says a website called The Brothers Brick, which tells us that the kit will be a 2,573-piece Lego Technic "replica of the legendary utility vehicle." The kit is said to come with working steering, four-speed gearbox, three differentials, working suspension — and even a working front winch.

But rather than a replica of the legend, it seems more like a model of the legend-to-be. Flared wheel openings, bluff grille, badge placement in a bar in the grille, overall boxiness — it all seems pretty close. Since we've only seen the Defender wrapped, the white roof is a new bit of information. It's a two-door, but we have seen two-doors in testing (gallery below).

But the most telling hint is this: The kit is said to be coming out in October, and we know the Defender reveal is happening in September. So the pieces all fit, as it were.

Here is a reprise of some Defender galleries we've had, for your comparison purposes ...

 

[DjordjeC63]

Lego - nope

 

[savage-It]

Tks to Autopareri forum..(Beckervdo and ISO-8707)

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[SCOTT27]

Not just utilarian. Soon to be a mainstay on the streets of London.

 

[Matski]

I want to hate this car, but at the same time I want to love it. I really hope this car appeals to the core defender demographic not just the trendies that want buy in to something genuinely respectable to lend their fake image some kind of credence.