Range Rover Range Rover (L405)


The Land Rover Range Rover, generally shortened to Range Rover, is a 4x4 luxury SUV produced by Land Rover. The Range Rover line has been in production since it was launched in 1970 by British Leyland.
I really wish I knew why man? For this level of animus you must have been fired by them or owned a dealership or was investor in one that went belly up?

I think if you told us why you hate them we could all move on and learn to better ignore and/or deal with your posts, I mean this respectfully, seriously.

M
 
I really wish I knew why man? For this level of animus you must have been fired by them or owned a dealership or was investor in one that went belly up?

I think if you told us why you hate them we could all move on and learn to better ignore and/or deal with your posts, I mean this respectfully, seriously.

M


This question, Merc1, he has never answered. And I can't believe this troll hasn't been banned yet. He is sooooo tediously predictable. My god, just yesterday he posts a picture of a Range Rover accident, in which people are likely to have passed away, and sneaks in a racist Indian jibe to top it off. He's full of vitriol and hate. I mean, for f*^%ks sake, it's completely abnormal....
 
Slowly and surely people are beginning to recognise Kilcrohane for what he is.


Sadly, Betty, there are still people here who value his constant repetition of technical and ethical inadequacies at JLR. Weight, bribed journalists, blah blah blah.

Yes - they understate their weight. Like the Germans don't understate fuel consumption and CO2 emissions LOL!

Every brand in this industry has room for improvement - although Porsche, not so much ;-)

I for one will tell you there is a lot wrong with my RR Sport and I should have gone for the Cayenne. But that is a personal choice. Many would choose to have things the other way around. Whatever, I say! But please moderators, when is enough enough?
 
I for one will tell you there is a lot wrong with my RR Sport and I should have gone for the Cayenne. But that is a personal choice. Many would choose to have things the other way around. Whatever, I say! But please moderators, when is enough enough?

I've reported his posts, I've sent PM's to several mods. I suspect I get short shift from them because "it's Betty". I suggest you report his posts too.
 
^^ Off topic, but this whole conversation in the last few posts has been very good for my knowledge of the English language :cool: I'm learning.
 
@ Mick Briesgau.

And just when you think it would be impossible to find a silver lining in this trainwreck!

Too bad the dialogue includes such venemous and hateful words.
 
@ Rurella

You're right about that. But it's not only the words, the rethoric wasn't bad either. Those two put together were good for me understanding and improving my English.
 
@ Rurella

You're right about that. But it's not only the words, the rethoric of Betty wasn't bad either. Those two put together were good for me understanding and improving my English.

I am glad it helped Mick. I have great respect for those who learn "foreign" languages.

For the record, I share Betty's (and many others) concerns and frustration.

Time to move the conversation back to the new RR. One of our Director's just purchased one but I have yet to see or drive in it. I will share my observations with the community next time he brings it in.
 
Off topic discussions have been removed. NO personal insults allowed, NO racist comments tolerated, No hate post permitted. If any of you have difficulty understand that and follow the guidelines then you will be banned.
 
I've reported his posts, I've sent PM's to several mods. I suspect I get short shift from them because "it's Betty". I suggest you report his posts too.

Just to share with you publically so as to avert your "it's Betty" persecution complex and for the rest to see - given that you continue to cast aspersions on the consistency of the moderation initiative of this forum - you were recently given a free pass. A (deleted) post of yours lead to discussions - at the highest level - about an outright ban as being the most suitable course of action. You were fortunate.

Please, we're sick and tired of your regular criticism of the moderation activity on this forum. If we're doing such a shit job then just leave. We're not paid to baby sit people; we're the custodians of a long-standing culture and community that dates back to well before the days of mofomat - let alone Betty Swollocks. The spirit in which we perform our moderation duties is not vested in the power or control of particular individuals or groups of individuals. We simply do this for the passion we have for this site, its theme and (in the vast majority of cases) its wonderful members. We try and keep the peace and no party can be perfect at that.

Please do not respond to this here - I will delete your posts. If you feel aggrieved you can report my post, PM whom you want to and even lobby to have me relieved of my duties. Be my guest.
 
Just to share with you publically so as to avert your "it's Betty" persecution complex and for the rest to see - given that you continue to cast aspersions on the consistency of the moderation initiative of this forum - you were recently given a free pass. A (deleted) post of yours lead to discussions - at the highest level - about an outright ban as being the most suitable course of action. You were fortunate.

Please, we're sick and tired of your regular criticism of the moderation activity on this forum. If we're doing such a shit job then just leave. We're not paid to baby sit people; we're the custodians of a long-standing culture and community that dates back to well before the days of mofomat - let alone Betty Swollocks. The spirit in which we perform our moderation duties is not vested in the power or control of particular individuals or groups of individuals. We simply do this for the passion we have for this site, its theme and (in the vast majority of cases) its wonderful members. We try and keep the peace and no party can be perfect at that.

Please do not respond to this here - I will delete your posts. If you feel aggrieved you can report my post, PM whom you want to and even lobby to have me relieved of my duties. Be my guest.

I'm not in the slightest bit aggrieved. In case it wasn't clear, and maybe I worded it wrongly, but I wasn't actually criticising the mods. Do I think the mods see my name and think "oh God, it's Betty complaining again"? Yes. Do I think that it's an unfair reaction against me by the mods? Probably not. I think it's a perfectly reasonable reaction of the mods to see my name and then instantly dismiss my point, even if it does have some merit.

I know you're all caught between a rock and a hard place and I'm sure your intentions are always "for the best" when it comes to the forum. Do I think the correct decisions are always made? No. Am I always correct? Certainly not.
 
Actually - you may not believe - but there are many instances where the team has agreed and said "Betty has a point". So no, there is no all-pervading sentiment in which we merely dismiss your reported posts.

Anyway, enough off-topic clutter; you are welcome to PM me or the other admin staff to pursue this matter further if you so wish.
 
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-land-rover-range-rover-supercharged-road-test-review

kerbweight: 5,612 lbs - 500 lb more than claimed.

it's BS anyways, as all the European diesel V8 R/Rovers that have been independently tested have been found to weigh nearer to 3 US tons, 6,000 lbs(2,625-2,670 kg), than 5,500 lbs, and Land Rover themselves claim the petrol V8 Supercharged only weighs 30 kgs less than the 4.4 V8 diesel.

The Yank hacks are knocking off a couple of hundred pounds to limit the embarrassment of Land Rover's "420 kg weight loss" lie, and make it look like it squeezes in under the weight of the "old tech" steel-bodied, 7-seat Mercedes GL63 AMG.

"Land Rover has lately boasted[lied] of weight savings of up to 926 pounds. Maybe that was true before the Brit interior decorators and safety engineers got their hands on the thing. But our test car tipped the scales at 5612 pounds, making it “only” 326 pounds lighter than the Range Rover Supercharged we tested in June 2010."​
so what else, well, there are seats in a 'luxury SUV' that aren't luxury:

"Despite all the animal skins, the seat cushions, both front and rear, are hard. After about 90 minutes, you begin shifting your tush as if on the witness stand"​
fuel economy?

"17 mpg."​
yeah right. A 1,600 lb lighter, two-wheel drive Jag XF, with much better Cd than the R/Rover brick, with the smaller six-cylinder version of the R/R's engine, and only 340 hp, managed only 13.1l/100km/18 mpg US in a very recent independent test. Anyone who believes the 5,600 lb 4WD Range Rover brick will actually do just 1 mpg less should inquire about bridges for sale in Brooklyn.

12-13 US mpg tops would be the real figure for this behemoth. Again the US hacks have set the tested fuel economy figure above that of the GL63 AMG's and the like, just to be able to say the "lighter" R/Rover is a better vehicle, when it patently can;t be, given its real weight, its Cd of 0.36, huge frontal area, and its fuel-sucking, outdated supercharged engine. More BS from the JLR-protecting hacks.

But surely reliability's gotta have gotten better by now, on a $120k SUV made by Brummies, owned by an Indian, right? Right? er no, worse:

"Whenever we discuss Roverdom, the reliability issue, like smoke, swirls ominously under the door. During this test, the park assist ($650) expired after we whacked a bird in Wyoming. The remote radio-volume buttons worked when they felt like it. We endured two false warnings to check the already locked-tight fuel cap. The radio switched itself off in Chicago and took five minutes to reboot. And the power rear-seat recliner locked the seatbacks in the half-down position, where they remained for two days as if taking a bow."​
"Then there were items that didn’t break but maybe should have. The automatic high-beam dimmers, for starters, accurately reverted to low for oncoming headlights but did the same for random street lights, front-yard floodlights, and highly reflective signs. The interior door handles were hard to find. In their most comfy position, the inner front armrests made it tricky to lock seatbelts. And the pop-up rotary PRNDL was known to seize if any downward pressure was applied as it twirled through its balletic arc."​
What an absolute joke, overpriced, overweight, gas-guzzling, totally undeveloped, downright dangerous POS. And that's why so many here will rush to defend it, fawn and salivate over it, no doubt. And that's why, partly, the world's going to hell in a brainwashed and dumbed down handcart.
 
^ re the above blatant lying, regarding the weight loss of the new Range Rovers, the claims for superlative quality, performance, step-change in reliability, 'Best Car in the World' proclamations by bought and paid hacks, and so on, it looks increasingly clear that JLR is but one company in modern-day Britain that lives by routine lying, and a mountain of PR and corrupted compliant mainstream hacks to cover up its sub-standard products. see this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-defects-claims-US-lawsuit.html#disqus_thread

It's a Faustian pact the likes of JLR, Rolls Royce plc and their acolytes have entered into. Give us success and we'll sell our souls to maintain the gravy train, even though we have by doing so lost the point of being.
 
^^^^ how convenient you cherry picked the negative points from the caranddriver article. I read the full article. Overall it was positive. Here are some of the positive points you ignored:

"But who cares about ducts when 60 mph is now yours in 4.7 seconds? That’s 0.4-second quicker than its predecessor and places this new Range Rover, through the quarter-mile, only 1 mph behind the 5242-pound Porsche Cayenne Turbo we tested in 2012. The aluminum diet has surely helped, but so, too, has the new eight-speed ZF transmission, which responded so unerringly on both the interstates and in the Bitterroots that we batted at the paddle shifters for amusement only.

At full throttle, the carryover 510-hp blown V-8 emits a distant cruise-ship whoosh, appropriately un-hot-roddish. In fact, at idle, WOT, and a 70-mph cruise, this Rover is now quieter than either a Mercedes-Benz ML63 or a BMW X5 M. Even the highest fan speed elicits but a subtle hiss, which Land Rover attributes to foam ductwork replacing hard plastic

In a sense, that’s what this latest Range Rover is, the rich man’s Travelers’ Rest. It is the Lexus LS460 of SUVs—not so much a charismatic driving experience as an isolated aerie of peace and solitude that tacitly promises Thor’s own thunder to flatten all ugliness ahead. If, as folks say, there will be blood, at least it needn’t be spilled on your Bridge of Weir leather."
 
^^^^ how convenient you cherry picked the negative points from the caranddriver article. I read the full article. Overall it was positive. Here are some of the positive points you ignored:


Yep. You do right to make up your own mind and actually read the article. When people do they realise Kilcrohane is being very economical with the truth. I've posted numerous responses to his version of a review proving what he says has to be taken with a pinch of salt.
 


New hybrid models for the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport have been revealed.

Land Rover claims spectacular economy gains, “staggering” performance, uncompromised comfort and even better refinement than conventional diesel and petrol Range Rovers.

Prices for the two new hybrid models won’t be revealed until next month’s Frankfurt motor show, but they are believed to have been pegged with 5.0-litre petrol Supercharged versions at just below £100,000. Land Rover dealers will start taking orders from 10 September and the first cars are scheduled to go to their owners early next year. Manufacturing is understood to be starting very soon.

To prove the new hybrid models, which are claimed to deliver similar levels of off-road capability and durability to conventional models, Land Rover is planning a 10,000-mile expedition called ‘2013 Silk Trail’. This will follow ancient trading routes running through 12 countries from France to India, via Poland, Russia and China, and reaching the Mumbai HQ of Jaguar Land Rover’s parent company, Tata Motors, in mid-October.

The hybrid system for both models combines the Range Rover’s familiar TDV6 diesel and a 35kW electric motor integrated with the eight-speed ZF automatic gearbox to create a powertrain with peak power of 335bhp and 516lb ft of torque.

The entire hybrid system, including its lithium ion battery, adds less than 120kg to the models’ kerb weights, considerably less than the weight saving Land Rover achieved by converting both models to all-aluminium 
body/chassis construction.

The two hybrid models’ kerb weights are similar (2372kg for the Sport, 2394kg for the Range Rover) so their claimed performance and economy figures are close to identical.
With V6 diesel and electric motor in full swing, the Sport is marginally faster, with a 140mph top speed (Range Rover 135mph) and its 0-60mph acceleration of 6.7sec beats the larger model by 0.2sec.

Both hybrid models return 44.1mpg on the combined 
cycle and emit just 169g/km of CO2, a 16 per cent reduction against a conventional 
Range Rover TDV6.

Each model delivers practical inner-city performance up to a 30mph top speed for about one mile when in their driver-selectable electric-only mode 
(the motor’s peak torque is 125lb ft) and there is a regenerative system that harvests kinetic energy when the car is coasting or braking.

There is no packaging compromise, either. Both models are available with full-sized spare wheels and the standard Sport’s 5+2 accommodation is offered in the hybrid as normal.

“We are very excited to be introducing these models,” said Land Rover global brand director John Edwards. “They’re the world’s first hybrid 4x4s with true Land-Rover-level off-road capability.”


New hybrid Range Rover and Range Rover Sport revealed


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Jaguar Land Rover

Jaguar Land Rover Automotive PLC is the holding company for Jaguar Land Rover Limited, also known as JLR, a British multinational manufacturer of luxury and sports utility vehicles. JLR, headquartered in Whitley, Coventry, UK, is a subsidiary of Tata Motors. Jaguar and Land Rover, with histories dating to the 1920s and 1940s, merged in 1968 under British Leyland. They later became independent and were subsidiaries of BMW and Ford. In 2000, BMW dissolved the Rover Group, selling Land Rover to Ford. Since 2008, Tata Motors has owned Jaguar Land Rover.
Official website: JLR

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