8 Series OPINION: The new BMW 8 Series - Is it "Special" Enough?

[Merc1]

What a thread!!

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[martinbo]

I am not sure the reason why maybe it is also due to the negative second hand values and heavy depreciation of expensive BMW models and whereas those Porsche models are fetching very high prices after a few years of use.

You obviously haven't traded in with uncle Tobi yet. Granted - it's not BMW levels of value drop but still, I know lots of owners who've been surprised by what they were offered for their and then what they saw it listed on the lot for. Porsches - especially 911s - do hold their value better but make no mistake they do depreciate, especially with mileage.

Looks like this 100K BMW is a stretch too far for many. But one has to point out that today's 100K isn't what it used to be.

 

[Robbie]

You obviously haven't traded in with uncle Tobi yet. Granted - it's not BMW levels of value drop but still, I know lots of owners who've been surprised by what they were offered for their and then what they saw it listed on the lot for. Porsches - especially 911s - do hold their value better but make no mistake they do depreciate, especially with mileage...

It amazes me that Toby hasn't been fined or censured by the Competition Commission here. I wonder if the new legislation on motor service will be a problem for him. I nonetheless admire the man, I mean buying Kyalami was a master stroke.

 

[martinbo]

It amazes me that Toby hasn't been fined or censured by the Competition Commission here. I wonder if the new legislation on motor service will be a problem for him. I nonetheless admire the man, I mean buying Kyalami was a master stroke.

I have no issue with his approach to the market and I also admire him for what he's done for the brand in SA. Business is business as multi-faceted as it is. Porsche SA is exactly what it - and the market - needs it to be.

 

[Der Hofmeister]

I am simply perplexed at how much attention the new 8 Series has drawn. OK, I understand the need to express opinions, argue and debate, but in this case, it has gone too far. Like @klier said, this thread might only serve as ammunition for desperate Merc fanboys to throw all the rubbish and nonsense towards the BMW brand. In some cases, dear fellows cherishing the other brand, we are talking about pure mental obsession and nothing else. I cannot grab even a single pertinent idea coming from your side. Just the same old, unfashionable song of yours.

In the end, it does not nothing but show how good and special the 8 Series really is.

You know, the fact that your average S-Coupe can't even compete with the G15 at dynamics, engine and chassis level does not make the 8 Series a bad car, as you portray it. If Merc has not done an "8 Series", it does not mean other brands can't, in this case BMW. I imagine a situation where Merc would have come up with something similar. You wouldn't have stopped praising it. So all your talk from this thread is simply bashing and rubbishing (for free) your No.1 enemy: BMW. I am left deeply disgusted by this attitude.

Period.

 

[LaArtist]

I am simply perplexed at how much attention the new 8 Series has drawn. OK, I understand the need to express opinions, argue and debate, but in this case, it has gone too far. Like @klier said, this thread might only serve as ammunition for desperate Merc fanboys to throw all the rubbish and nonsense towards the BMW brand. In some...

Why are you guys so sensitive.
All we said is that bmw struggles over a certain price point.
So what?
Is the car crap? No it’s not!
The other cars they make are they crap? Certainly not!
Is the company not profitable ? Yes it is.

But you think that they are the jack of all trades, whatever they get into they rule. And this is not true.

They have their thing, and it’s amazingly lucrative and successful.

There is no shame in admitting that expensive bmws aren’t really that popular and don’t do well.

But if you have a juvenile mind where any crtitiaizm is seen as an attack on your person then life gets very complicated, cause over on my side there are some proper assholes ( like me and Betty) we love it when you take things personally so we just up the heat. No one wants to make fun of someone who has some distance to themselfs, it’s not rewarding enough.

Ps
Ile regret that I wrote this above cause some of you might understand it and stop being sensitive, which means I won’t have any fun. But then again understanding is not listed as a top feature amongst bmw fans.
So I guess I’m good

 

[martinbo]

You know, the fact that your average S-Coupe can't even compete with the G15 at dynamics, engine and chassis level does not make the 8 Series a bad car, as you portray it. If Merc has not done an "8 Series", it does not mean other brands can't, in this case BMW. I imagine a situation where Merc would have come up with something similar. You wouldn't have stopped praising it. So all your talk from this thread is simply bashing and rubbishing (for free) your No.1 enemy: BMW. I am left deeply disgusted by this attitude.

Look, I'm all in favour of being a BMW fan on this site as the groundswell is certainly weighted toward Mercedes Benz. But, so what? The fact is that Mercedes Benz is the biggest and, probably, most widely admired premium automaker out there, not only in the minds of internet forum freaks like us but also the general public. Their top-end products are actually excellent, their AMG models continue to set fire to circuit laptimes in a way that BMW wishes they could do and they're also multiple Formula 1 champs. Right now, Mercedes Benz is the hottest car brand on the planet and that's just the way it is.

Does Mercedes Benz's success reduce the value of BMW's offerings? I don't think so. I think it's more how BMW have come to portray themselves - unwittingly or not - over the years. BMW's brand has been synonymous with "driving enthusiasm" for decades now and, whilst this appeals to many people, not everyone's idea of driving enthusiasm is the same. BMW has created its own - and admittedly - more limited image compared with Mercedes Benz's far broader reach of appeal. It is what it is.

So, just some friendly advice to a fellow BMW enthusiast... you just have to grow a thicker skin. The Mercedes fans are equally passionate and will, rightly so, extol the virtues of their favoured steeds extensively. Moreover, it's also important to point out that the BMW 8 Series is on the receiving end of criticism from not just Merc fans (and the ultimate anti-BMW member - LaHater) but also real BMW fans / owners as well. To my mind the sporty, dynamic 8 Series occupies a nice niche between the luxo-barge GTs and and the smaller, less powerful coupes below it. I think it's hence worth the money - being as unique as it is. Others for the very same reason (recognising the same niche) seem to think that this is precisely the problem with the 8 Series, its price and its positioning.

 

[martinbo]

Why are you guys so sensitive.
All we said is that bmw struggles over a certain price point.
So what?
Is the car crap? No it’s not!
The other cars they make are they crap? Certainly not!
Is the company not profitable ? Yes it is.

But you think that they are the jack of all trades, whatever they get into they rule. And this is not true.

They have thei...

A beautiful, straight-up post from you - thank you. I left you an Easter egg in my latest response.

 

[LaArtist]

A beautiful, straight-up post from you - thank you. I left you an Easter egg in my latest response.

Hahah LaHater love it.
Agree with everything you said and it was funny good thing you wrote 2 reply’s so I can rate them funny and agree haha

And thank you

 

[Deleted member 1071]

...cause over on my side there are some proper assholes ( like me and Betty) we love it when you take things personally so we just up the heat.

I can attest to the virtues and pleasures of being an asshole. Unfortunately, it appears to be hard-wired in the DNA of the homo sapien that one becomes "milder and more forgiving" with age (well...save people like Donald Trump, for example).

Maybe I should go out and ridicule some random person just for the hell of it. Or punch them in the face.

 

[Matski]

we love it when you take things personally so we just up the heat

Ile regret that I wrote this above cause some of you might understand it and stop being sensitive, which means I won’t have any fun.

Since it seems fine for you to be proud, and take pleasure, in breaking literally the first rule of GCF... Can I start breaking rule number 10?

 

[SKY]

I am simply perplexed at how much attention the new 8 Series has drawn. OK, I understand the need to express opinions, argue and debate, but in this case, it has gone too far. Like @klier said, this thread might only serve as ammunition for desperate Merc fanboys to throw all the rubbish and nonsense towards the BMW brand. In some...

This post would make so much more sense if it came from a more neutral party. Don't you have the same attitude towards MB as the one hou critisize from the MB fanboys?

Always the same story...

 

[LaArtist]

I can attest to the virtues and pleasures of being an asshole. Unfortunately, it appears to be hard-wired in the DNA of the homo sapien that one becomes "milder and more forgiving" with age (well...save people like Donald Trump, for example).

Maybe I should go out and ridicule some random person just for the hell of it. Or punch them in the face.

...[/QUOTE]
Whatever floats your boat.

Since it seems fine for you to be proud, and take pleasure, in breaking literally the first rule of GCF... Can I start breaking rule number 10?

I don't know the rules by heart, but yeah sure go ahead.

 

[Der Hofmeister]

This post would make so much more sense if it came from a more neutral party. Don't you have the same attitude towards MB as the one hou critisize from the MB fanboys?

Always the same story...

So now it does not make that "much more" sense because I am biased.

The truth is truth in any condition, not just in ideal conditions. And I may criticize Mercedes-Benz, but to be honest, I am not the one that started this series of arguments regarding 8 Series and, frankly, I have not dedicated a single thread to dissect and turn on all sides a Mercedes-Benz model.

In the end, sales numbers will show the real deal. The rest is pure fantasy at the moment (resale price, residual values and other wet dreams of that kind).

 

[martinbo]

Since it seems fine for you to be proud, and take pleasure, in breaking literally the first rule of GCF... Can I start breaking rule number 10?

You pose a difficult position for us, Matski, and everything has to be viewed in "moderation". LaArtist has always been antagonistic and controversial but never malicious or nasty. Given that this is the Internal Combustion section where a spirit of tolerance and leniency allows for discussion which is hoped to be more fun and direct. I don't feel that LaArtist is violating forum rules but this is my own degree of perception.

 

[Tarek]

Late to the party but here's my two cents on the 8,

-Like what i have been saying since day one it should've been released as the successor to the current 6er range with slight price bump.
-BMW should work on a true S-Class coupe rival to be introduced with the successor of the G11 7er and call it THE 8.
-M division just like what AMG did, should develop it's own standalone sports car to rival the AMG GT/911 then introduce four door variant to rival the GT4/Panamera.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I am left deeply disgusted by this attitude.

Five pages of adults having a grown-up conversation about a topic some strongly disagree on. Sharing opinions in a respectful way that seems to be lacking in a lot of threads on GCF. Not sure what there is to be "disgusted" about.

 

[Mars1965]

Jesus christ, ok here we go.

Well that kept you busy for a while....

 

[dalab]

OPINION: The new BMW 8 Series - Is it "Special" Enough?

Yes.

 

[Grosser]

I vote for closing this thread.