M5 Officially Official: The BMW M5 F10.

[martinbo]

That's bloody interesting Sunny. I'm intrigued to see if Audi has the gumption to pull off such a blatant imitation. That's a pure BMW innovation that: the "hot side inside" (love that term - is it yours? Can I use it? Please? ) is uniquely BMW's.

 

[FC123]

No one cares for the fact that the F10M makes such impressive numbers from the smallest engine capacity here? (Talking Panamera Turbo and E63/CLS63)

Since, it also makes the least peak torque, that does perhaps make it a bit less noteworthy - Especially since we've been "accustomed" to engines close to this size reaching this power level naturally aspirated (458).

However peak numbers mean very little compared to under the curve numbers, so I'd like to see charts comparing power vs. revs between the 3 cars.

 

[Sunny]

That's bloody interesting Sunny. I'm intrigued to see if Audi has the gumption to pull off such a blatant imitation. That's a pure BMW innovation that: the "hot side inside" (love that term - is it yours? Can I use it? Please? ) is uniquely BMW's.

Haha, no not mine, but pretty neat term right? Heard it while watching the Le Mans coverage.

 

[Sunny]

Since, it also makes the least peak torque, that does perhaps make it a bit less noteworthy -

Beats the 479 lbft that Audi got out of 5.2l TT V10

 

[FC123]

Beats the 479 lbft that Audi got out of 5.2l TT V10

I was refering to the Panny and CLS - you are right of course.

With all these turbo engines, the torque is capped in the interest of showing a flat curve (and allow clutch and gearbox to survive...) Hit the RS6 with a remap and the torque explodes, as it will do with all these engines.

Edit: MTM pulls 840 nm from the RS6. An interesting question for this new generation would be, what car will handle the highest boost on stock internals...

 

[LaArtist]

I got my figures from here: Mercedes-AMG Official Global Website. I haven't found the figures for the new E63 with V8TT anywhere.



One, HP is not even close unless you consider 518HP and 560HP to be close. It takes an almost $10k option to make it even close. Two, the E63 with new engine came out came out what? a month ago? And CLS 63 6 months ago? hardly "shit load longer". And if an M5 with 560HP is a disappointment, where was your disappointment when new E63 came out with pretty much same HP as the old E63 and the old M5?

I didnt realise that the figures for the E63 was the old engine..but weight should be around the same..so nevermind..

When it comes to hp..its a 10000 option..sure.. but who cares when the cars cost like they do..its irrelevant..
Does the M5 has an option for 10 or 100 K that gives it as much torque as the AMG´s.. guess not..

The CLS came out recently yes.. but the E63 came out a while ago.. they changed the engines on the whole line up.
But mark my words with the FL of the E class..which is less than 2 years away there will be a power hike on the E63..
Same will happen to CLS63

While M´s strategy is..release a care..leave it untouched for 5-6 years more or less..

So what i was trying to say.. is that the M5 is matching the competitions weight and power ( a 10K option on the AMG´s but who cares) and is lower on torque..
Laws of physics do not lie.. it will probably be faster like the M3 is faster than similar powered RS4.. but is it enough? is it a new benchmark? is it what it used to be?

When it comes to me being dissappointed by the AMG´s.. no i was not..cause i know AMG constantly improve.. a diffrent philosophy from M..where this is what you get..and stick with it for 6 years..

But all in all..
I do not even know why im taking this fight.. cause i really like this M5..looks brilliant..

Its only the performance that is interesting.. and that will be seen soon enough.
And im also very interested in how it drives..when it (in bmw terms) have alot of torque..
Maybe it will have a more AMGish power delivery..

 

[Cashmere]

From what Scott seems to be hinting, BMW have intentionally limited power on the standard M5 as there are plans to introduce a 'performance pack' or a more hardcore version as an extra....after all, its all about the Benjamin's.

 

[Pagani]

I do not understand what the deal is with the numbers. The regular version of AMG's E and CL still "makes do" with 518, while for 8k more they can be boasted to 550. Sure, they make more torque, but that is AMG's calling card. I haven't been much of an M5 fan since the E39 edition, but I would venture numbers is not what makes a vehicle. The E39, the only M5 I have ever driven, drove like a dream, even for today's standards. All this comes from a die-hard MB fan.

 

[GTA45E]

Wow, I already knew the hp wars was over for the new M5.

552hp-502lb-ft with this new engine will not disappoint at all! Yes it will be faster than the CTS-V.
I`ve seen a few videos the previous M5 vs the CTS, sure the Caddy faster up to about 100mph after that the M5 blew it`s door off.
I also like the fact that it`s fuel economy has increased, fricken 28.3 on the mixed cycle which is fantastic and was something I didn`t expect.

Side skirts are also unique to the M5. It`s very understated and classy and also gets my seal of approval.

 

[DblPen]

m5 vs e63 comparison
Comparison: 2012 BMW M5 vs. 2012 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG

m5 engine power delivery
Analysis: F10 BMW M5 S63 Engine Power Delivery

 

[SCOTT27]

I think you will find that our theme for the M5 "Untouchable" is very apt.

 

[Bartek S.]

So we change our theme from M THE MOST POWERFUL LETTER IN THE WORLD to some Untouchable wich mins nothing.

 

[tomazino]

hmmm, "The high-rev unit should rocket the M5 to 62 mph in 4.4 seconds and under 4 seconds using BMW’s new Launch Control"

 

[HighestOfHigh]

The theme doesn't matter. The car does.

Untouchable is just fine.

 

[LaArtist]

 

[HighestOfHigh]

I like this....

 

[DblPen]

The theme doesn't matter. The car does.

Untouchable is just fine.

seriously, what a great picture

 

[HighestOfHigh]

seriously, what a great picture

Exactly! It's a work of art.

 

[Zafiro]

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/p90078398.jpg/

Looks really cool. A scary creep with long arms or Darth Vader with arms and legs. Not completely hidden under plastics. Could be the coolest engine bay in the german trio.

 

[DeDe]

[Gearing-chart] B5 Biturbo vs. New M5, CLS63 AMG & Panamera Powerkit