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[Zafiro]

Enthusiasts exist because of the carmakers. Blame BMW , they started it.

 

[Giannis]

Enthusiasts exist because of the carmakers. Blame BMW , they started it.

Enthusiasts exist because the automotive industry was different some years ago...

Remember the old Alfas? Have you driven an 75? Or even better an original Giullietta? It will blow your mind off! Have you driven a BMW 2002?

Or how was BMW and MB a couple of decades ago?

Once, it was an era of automotive romance! There were engineers and then, more engineers! All passionate about what they did! They were putting a small part of their soul into everything that they made.

Car from that era, might not be as safe, as fast or as equiped as today's cars, but God they are good!

These are the cars that created enthusiasts! In some cases, not just enthusiasts, but generations of enthusiasts!

Have you read Eni's latest posts? He's talking of a new age of cars. Electric and hybrid cars, all created using CAD and robots. Cold cars delivering no emotions. Just a machine to do a job, or to take you from point A to point B. Some machines will give you some more bragging rights, depending on their price. But that's it.

Do I sound like an idiot? Do I sound extremely romantic? I may very well do, but I am a man that wants emotions even in the most simple thing in my life.

If the automotive industry is going that way, I will stick with my old car. I've got it for more than 10 years already, I feel that I may very well live my life with it! Or even better, buy a 2002. Or an original Giullietta.

Guess who'll be smiling when going to work in the electric cars era

PS. I apologize if my post sounds kind of inappropriate, but I just can't stand the new direction that the automotive world is taking. I guess I will be one of the very few "romantics" left in a few years... But I think I will enjoy it!

 

[Beemer B773ER]

I guess I will be one of the very few "romantics" left in a few years

Similar to the glory days of air travel, and how it has now made way for a micro-economic/bottom-line approach by airlines.

Sad that people who fly on a very regular basis don't understand the specialness and beauty of being able to gaze at the world below and travel to destinations that even their parents or grandparents didn't think was possible in a timely fashion.

 

[Michael]

Similar to the glory days of air travel, and how it has now made way for a micro-economic/bottom-line approach by airlines.

Sad that people who fly on a very regular basis don't understand the specialness and beauty of being able to gaze at the world below and travel to destinations that even their parents or grandparents didn't think was possible in a timely fashion.

Oh my, you just hit a button. You know how much I love the aviation/airline industry. Yes, you are totally right. Things used to be so different, and although the airlines were not always accessible to all, they had a sense of luxury and refinement we no longer really see anymore.

Flying used to be something I would get excited for as a little kid. I still do, just because I am a aviation nerd, but I am sure others do not feel the same. Things have gotten pretty bad with the industry. Cuts are happening everywhere. With American cutting how many coffee cups they take, to some doing away with reclinable seats. Soon they wil all be buses and nothing else.

The same goes for car manufacturers. I just hope they do not lose that passion that we have all come to love and appreciate.

 

[Centurion]

Im not quite sure what all the power rating fuss is about? The RS6 and the R35 GTR are contrasting examples of how HP wars are merely about numbers. Its all about how that power gets put to use.

I couldn't have said it better myself. BMW and Porsche are the only brands investing heavily in various components of a car as opposed to simply developing larger and more powerful engines. The Panamera Turbo is a golden example. The engine in the Turbo is from 2003, despite that, the car is faster than the RS6 and other cars with cutting edge engines.

 

[coolraoul]

Enthusiasts exist because the automotive industry was different some years ago...

Remember the old Alfas? Have you driven an 75? Or even better an original Giullietta? It will blow your mind off! Have you driven a BMW 2002?

Or how was BMW and MB a couple of decades ago?

Once, it was an era of automotive romance! There were engineers and then, more engineers! All passionate about what they did! They were putting a small part of their soul into everything that they made.

Car from that era, might not be as safe, as fast or as equiped as today's cars, but God they are good!

These are the cars that created enthusiasts! In some cases, not just enthusiasts, but generations of enthusiasts!

Have you read Eni's latest posts? He's talking of a new age of cars. Electric and hybrid cars, all created using CAD and robots. Cold cars delivering no emotions. Just a machine to do a job, or to take you from point A to point B. Some machines will give you some more bragging rights, depending on their price. But that's it.

Do I sound like an idiot? Do I sound extremely romantic? I may very well do, but I am a man that wants emotions even in the most simple thing in my life.

If the automotive industry is going that way, I will stick with my old car. I've got it for more than 10 years already, I feel that I may very well live my life with it! Or even better, buy a 2002. Or an original Giullietta.

Guess who'll be smiling when going to work in the electric cars era

PS. I apologize if my post sounds kind of inappropriate, but I just can't stand the new direction that the automotive world is taking. I guess I will be one of the very few "romantics" left in a few years... But I think I will enjoy it!

I so agree with every thing you said.

My old SLC gave me so much pleasure... I had the chance to compare it with its successor, my father's (now sold for yet another W164 ML) CL500 C215.

The 500 did everything better, that's for sure. Finish, comfort, speed, refinement. Everything

Yet, what a pleasure to start my old engine, to feel the car, yes to feel it, mechanically feel everything working well, I don't know... but it was an immense pleasure to touch, feel, drive this beast. Pleasure that I did not have with the objectively better CL.

I enjoyed every meter with my car, even liked going inside, looking at it... This is a car that evokes passion. You feel it has been made by enthusiasts for enthusiasts.

It was not just about going from A to B with the most gadgets possible, but to create an object the best you can.

Hard to describe, but it's no mystery the young generation doesn't care about cars. Modern cars are boring, boring, boring. Good, efficient, boring.

 

[Levi68]

Enthusiasts exist because the automotive industry was different some years ago...

Remember the old Alfas? Have you driven an 75? Or even better an original Giullietta? It will blow your mind off! Have you driven a BMW 2002?

Or how was BMW and MB a couple of decades ago?

Once, it was an era of automotive romance! There were engineers and then, more engineers! All passionate about what they did! They were putting a small part of their soul into everything that they made.

Car from that era, might not be as safe, as fast or as equiped as today's cars, but God they are good!

These are the cars that created enthusiasts! In some cases, not just enthusiasts, but generations of enthusiasts!

Have you read Eni's latest posts? He's talking of a new age of cars. Electric and hybrid cars, all created using CAD and robots. Cold cars delivering no emotions. Just a machine to do a job, or to take you from point A to point B. Some machines will give you some more bragging rights, depending on their price. But that's it.

Do I sound like an idiot? Do I sound extremely romantic? I may very well do, but I am a man that wants emotions even in the most simple thing in my life.

If the automotive industry is going that way, I will stick with my old car. I've got it for more than 10 years already, I feel that I may very well live my life with it! Or even better, buy a 2002. Or an original Giullietta.

Guess who'll be smiling when going to work in the electric cars era

PS. I apologize if my post sounds kind of inappropriate, but I just can't stand the new direction that the automotive world is taking. I guess I will be one of the very few "romantics" left in a few years... But I think I will enjoy it!

A completely agree with you said. But in this way the MP4-12C would be the worst car ever? Cold, Clinical, Unemotional! Maybe, but I I would love BMW M to build such a car instead of some 200.000 € Prius.

 

[Giannis]

A completely agree with you said. But in this way the MP4-12C would be the worst car ever? Cold, Clinical, Unemotional! Maybe, but I I would love BMW M to build such a car instead of some 200.000 € Prius.

I apologize to the community for dragging the thread off-topic, but I just have to answer this!

You mention the MP-4. Why? Have you driven it? Will you buy one? Are you a McLaren shareholder? Or is it just the car of your dreams?

Also, what does it make the MP4-12C immune to being unemotional? The fact that costs 300.000€? So what? The fact that does the Ring in under 7.00min? So what? An F16 fighter plane accelerates faster, has a higher top speed and can bomb the whole Ring in under 7 seconds. Yet it is even more cold, clinical and unemotional than the MP4.

What speaks of a cars' soulds are not the numbers. Put a 2002i and a MP4-12C side to side. Which one of these two cars has more "soul"? The MP4? Wrong! The 2002 does, because just by looking or driving it, you can feel the soul of the engineers and designers behind it. You can see them in every aspect of the car! Yet, you need a month's calendar to measure it's time around the Ring.

Then, look at the McLaren. What do you see? Do you see any soul? No! Why? Because it was design using the best availiable technology to make it faster! You can feel the optimazition done using CAD. But you can't feel the soul of the designer.

And to tell you the truth, I don't care about the MP4. I can't afford it, nor I see it in my dreams. What I can afford and do dream about is a nice 2002, a good 75 or an old Giullietta!

Amaury can feel me, but I doubt that you do! Amaury chose to live with a 70's car and he loved it! I choose to drive to work a 20yo Renault despite having another two much much newer and better cars in the household. But it's the only car I own that the gas pedal is indeed connected to the throttle valve...

 

[K-A]

Enthusiasts exist because the automotive industry was different some years ago...

Remember the old Alfas? Have you driven an 75? Or even better an original Giullietta? It will blow your mind off! Have you driven a BMW 2002?

Or how was BMW and MB a couple of decades ago?

Once, it was an era of automotive romance! There were engineers and then, more engineers! All passionate about what they did! They were putting a small part of their soul into everything that they made.

Car from that era, might not be as safe, as fast or as equiped as today's cars, but God they are good!

These are the cars that created enthusiasts! In some cases, not just enthusiasts, but generations of enthusiasts!

Have you read Eni's latest posts? He's talking of a new age of cars. Electric and hybrid cars, all created using CAD and robots. Cold cars delivering no emotions. Just a machine to do a job, or to take you from point A to point B. Some machines will give you some more bragging rights, depending on their price. But that's it.

Do I sound like an idiot? Do I sound extremely romantic? I may very well do, but I am a man that wants emotions even in the most simple thing in my life.

If the automotive industry is going that way, I will stick with my old car. I've got it for more than 10 years already, I feel that I may very well live my life with it! Or even better, buy a 2002. Or an original Giullietta.

Guess who'll be smiling when going to work in the electric cars era

PS. I apologize if my post sounds kind of inappropriate, but I just can't stand the new direction that the automotive world is taking. I guess I will be one of the very few "romantics" left in a few years... But I think I will enjoy it!

Fkin' A man, preach!!

Everything is getting so efficient, lazy, soulless, brilliant-by-the-numbers, and we are becoming the same way in some respects. The comments about Planes taking away their passionate edges, and just doing what they're supposed to do, while Car makers are doing the same, etc., is sad.

Fact is, we live in a Marketers world, a bean-counters world. Growth and maximizing profit exist to the nth degree nowadays, and car companies are at the starting line.

 

[NarutoRamen]

Yep, there is something to just a barebones approach to cars. I know old school muscle cars cant turn for shi!t, but there is just something about those cars. The way the v8 rumbles, the way everything is so simple that all you need is a wrench to pull the whole damn car apart, the smell of the gas fumes, etc. All that nostalgia is gone today.

Now cars are all about making money, but before they used to be about making money with pride.

 

[K-A]

It's funny because last night I stated reminiscing about old Mustang 5.0's I used to have. The smell of the interior, the shoddy build quality, etc. But the FUN and oh man that sound. As cheap as that interior was/is, I can remember how awesome it was to own one, the sound of those flappy doors, the smell of the worn out cloth interior, lol. Of course, the bulletproof motor, and the fact that if something major went wrong, you can get it fixed quickly and cheaply, and come out stronger than before. Changing my own Spark Plugs, which is incredible as I am very much not mechanically inclined to do those kinds of things usually.

I started looking at the Autotrader to see what 5.0's were available and for how much.

 

[klier]

Please, you guys sound like romantics or something, longing for the days that are no longer here.

Time to move along if you have happy memories of the Alfa 75 or BMW 2002.
If you like the past and it's crappy cars so much, you shouldn't be active on the Internet either, but simply buy an old school magazine and be done with it.

Stop being old and sour please. The past is not better than the present.

 

[Ultimate Car Guy]

Agreed Klier.

I'm glad you guys aren't designing and engineering our cars. If so, they'd be really crap with bad build quality, the safety of a cardboard box, fuel consumption like a german on oktoberfest and harmful to the environement like a BP oil spill.

 

[Zafiro]

LoL I dont want to go back to the 80's but I like the time when BMW's didnt increase so much in weight and when M cars were using highreeving engines or at least didnt used a modified engine from a standard BMW.

 

[K-A]

There's a difference between passion and a marketing/bean-counter driven automotive climate. A car can be superbly built and incredibly efficient and have soul and passion.

 

[EnI]

I don't know why do you guys think electric / hybrid motoring is / will be inferior compared to the current one: with numerous V big-displacement ICE.

The times are changing, and so is the tech, and the regulation as well.

Sure the initial hybrid / electric cars are a bit awkward. Since the tech is still in its initial phase. Remember, first ICE also weren't optimal. It took many decades to make it almost perfect (engineering wise).

It will be the same case with with electric / hybrid sports cars: perhaps the 1st generations won't be on par with ICE sports cars but sure will surpass them in the future.

I really like to use analog / digital Hi-Fi or photography for comparison. Sure the first digital devices weren't on par with analog ones. And sure today superior analog devices still exist - yet are extremely rare & expensive, while very good digital devices are available & producing excellent results.

But the tech is changing. Becoming more available. C'mon. Today's cars are like space shuttles compared to the cars from decades ago. Sure those care were rawer & more primal - the motoring was very analog & mechanic. But I guess most people like the motoring of today. With all the convenience & stuff. And I'm sure most will like the electric / hybrid motoring as well.

Yes, there will still be some romantics, dreaming about "good old times".

I'm sure there are still some out there who prefer horse (or donkey or camel) riding to car driving. Since its more natural, raw & primal.

But times changes ... Sure the romantics will always claim the change is to the worse.



PS: today, the motoring is also very down to the electronics -even in the ICE cars. Not to mention the suspension, steering & (semi)auto shifting. Engineers can tweak the car to be a very raw & dangerous wild beast, or just a domestic tame animal. Remember the cases of 7er xDrive, X6, and even the Audi A5? All these cars were toned down from the initial more aggressive settings set by the engineers - but the marketing guys made a different decision, since THE CUSTOMERS WANTED less raw cars. And the settings were all mostly down to electronics only. Today people want useful cars that can be driven daily, and not just weekend toys. Those times are over - when eg. sports cars were driven to the tracks weekly. Or roadsters & small coupes were 2nd cars - used as weekend toys. Etc. Today people want the cars to be more all-rounders. Gosh, even Ferrari offers an AWD Shooting Brake nowadays, and Porsche is offering an SUV ... and the second one is on the way. And funny or not: the 911 can be very comfy daily car today. Not that was a case in the past.

 

[coolraoul]

I don't know why do you guys think electric / hybrid motoring is / will be inferior compared to the current one: with numerous V big-displacement ICE.

The times are changing, and so is the tech, and the regulation as well.

Sure the initial hybrid / electric cars are a bit awkward. Since the tech is still in its initial phase. Remember, first ICE also weren't optimal. It took many decades to make it almost perfect (engineering wise).

It will be the same case with with electric / hybrid sports cars: perhaps the 1st generations won't be on par with ICE sports cars but sure will surpass them in the future.

I really like to use analog / digital Hi-Fi or photography for comparison. Sure the first digital devices weren't on par with analog ones. And sure today superior analog devices still exist - yet are extremely rare & expensive, while very good digital devices are available & producing excellent results.

But the tech is changing. Becoming more available. C'mon. Today's cars are like space shuttles compared to the cars from decades ago. Sure those care were rawer & more primal - the motoring was very analog & mechanic. But I guess most people like the motoring of today. With all the convenience & stuff. And I'm sure most will like the electric / hybrid motoring as well.

Yes, there will still be some romantics, dreaming about "good old times".

I'm sure there are still some out there who prefer horse (or donkey or camel) riding to car driving. Since its more natural, raw & primal.

But times changes ... Sure the romantics will always claim the change is to the worse.



PS: today, the motoring is also very down to the electronics -even in the ICE cars. Not to mention the suspension, steering & (semi)auto shifting. Engineers can tweak the car to be a very raw & dangerous wild beast, or just a domestic tame animal. Remember the cases of 7er xDrive, X6, and even the Audi A5? All these cars were toned down from the initial more aggressive settings set by the engineers - but the marketing guys made a different decision, since THE CUSTOMERS WANTED less raw cars. And the settings were all mostly down to electronics only. Today people want useful cars that can be driven daily, and not just weekend toys. Those times are over - when eg. sports cars were driven to the tracks weekly. Or roadsters & small coupes were 2nd cars - used as weekend toys. Etc. Today people want the cars to be more all-rounders. Gosh, even Ferrari offers an AWD Shooting Brake nowadays, and Porsche is offering an SUV ... and the second one is on the way. And funny or not: the 911 can be very comfy daily car today. Not that was a case in the past.

Well take a mid-level 33t disk and compare it to a mp3 and the difference is like day'n night. The mp3, very practical, sounds like shit. Same can be said of the cd, compared to the "black" vinyl ancester...

If you go high-end, same applies. The best devices use no modern transistors, but those old-fashioned but fantastic lamps...

Current cars are clinical, efficient, but you see that everything has been rationalized to death. They are thus only doing their jobs, not much more.

Numbers are more important than feelings, just the contrary of before. Different approach, that I personally do not like. But it's just me.

 

[martinbo]

For the purposed of clarity, the ICE acronym EnI refers to is for Internal Combustion Engine and not the more popularly applied In-Car Entertainment. For those dullards who started thinking tweeters and sub-woofers.

 

[Ultimate Car Guy]

Lets get back on topic please.

 

[bum-man]

Please, you guys sound like romantics or something, longing for the days that are no longer here.

Time to move along if you have happy memories of the Alfa 75 or BMW 2002.
If you like the past and it's crappy cars so much, you shouldn't be active on the Internet either, but simply buy an old school magazine and be done with it.

Stop being old and sour please. The past is not better than the present.

Klier, you made a mistake. Your avatar is a picture of the E39 M5 and not the F10 M5.