M5 [Official] The BMW Concept M5

[Deleted member 1071]

Like I said : "Penis Extension needing owners or car-stat geeks/obsessors".

Spot on, K-A !

Whether 500, 550, 580 or whatever HP, the new M5 will surely be an absolutely splendid automobile.

 

[Zafiro]

That's a good point Michael as emissions standards become stricter it forces companies to adapt,and be more compliant.

This thread has taken quite humorous turn. Who knew 30 horses,or lack there of,would stir up so much emotion. I never thought that 550 hp would be perceived as under powered.

M5 E39 was the first luxury sedan with 400 hp. M5 E60 with 507 hp, thats more than the competition once again. M5 F10 with 552 hp, not a new benchmark. A smaller and cheaper Caddy CTS-V already have 550 hp. Next M5 wont be the benchmark like in the past, its just another fast car.

 

[donkeykong]

M5 E39 was the first luxury sedan with 400 hp. M5 E60 with 507 hp, thats more than the competition once again. M5 F10 with 552 hp, not a new benchmark. A smaller and cheaper Caddy CTS-V already have 550 hp. Next M5 wont be the benchmark like in the past, its just another fast car.

So the gripe BMW M fans have toward this one is that it's not keeping with the tradition of times past?

What horse power figures was every one expecting then?

 

[Zafiro]

So the gripe BMW M fans have towards this one is that it's not keeping with the tradition of times past?

What horse power figures was every one expecting then?

825 hp
No but at least more than the competition (but if I'm nice I can accept the same as RS6). And then we have the engine issue, now its the same ordinary engine many other carmakers have. Also, the weight, something tells me its going to be heavier than E63 and RS6.

M5 F10 - a new benchmark?

 

[klier]

M5 F10 - a new benchmark?

of this there is no doubt. Benchmark for this generation. As always....

 

[tikipukapuko]

550 hp is more then one could ask for, imo most of the car makers offers nowadays perfect balance and handling with 550hp+,,,ala e63 and rs6...so to me an m5 that once recongnized as 2nd to none back in the days in the sports luxury soloon sedan segment is gone...so i think that offering 550hp is a bit dissapointing ,,,as micheal said i wouldint wanna care about green now ...world is messed up already...so make's it just another sports in todays market.(580 hp and i withdraw all of that)

 

[EnI]

M5 E39 was the first luxury sedan with 400 hp. M5 E60 with 507 hp, thats more than the competition once again. M5 F10 with 552 hp, not a new benchmark. A smaller and cheaper Caddy CTS-V already have 550 hp. Next M5 wont be the benchmark like in the past, its just another fast car.

Yes, sure.
Because M5 drove so good just because it had best HP in class (@launch).

And since F10 M5 probably (we still don't know that for sure! ) won't be a HP-leader again @ launch it makes it "just another fast car & not a benchmark at all"?

I've thought you know the automotive world a bit better after so many years of active participation here. Knowing that HP war was pure marketing activity - something that most of you here despise & mock constantly.

And even when rivals introduced cars with same or higher HP outputs, the E60 M5 remained the best in class. How come if it wasn't a HP benchmark anymore?

But the truth is the M5 F10 will be the most "daily driver" M5 ever. Since the customers want a car that is usable for daily drive as well. The new M5 will be much more Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde type of car than the previous M5s are.

 

[Zafiro]

. Yet it will also be a very sporty car.

but not sporty like M5 V10...and after all these years I understand that the competition is just as good or better than BMW.

I dont think M5 going to have the advantage over the competition like M5 E39 and M5 E60 did. At least the engine in previous M5's were different, this time its a tuned engine from 550i, very special LOL

 

[K-A]

Is it really the *exact" same engine underneath it all, as the 550i? Like same cubic inches, etc.?

If so, that is really underwhelming. Even AMG is giving their cars a whole different motor than their "550" line.

 

[EnI]

but not sporty like M5 V10...and after all these years I understand that the competition is just as good or better than BMW.

Have you driven the car already????
Or are you "just" making presumptions based on yet officially unknown technical data?

I dont think M5 going to have the advantage over the competition like M5 E39 and M5 E60 did.

Oh, "you think" ... OK, perhaps you think VERY wrong.

At least the engine in previous M5's were different, this time its a tuned engine from 550i, very special LOL

Sure. That's exactly what it is. A tunned engine from 550i.

OK, Andreas, your latest comments are .
Just like the ones just before M3 was launched (and after initial first drives) when you completely panicked the M3 was losing its mojo, and not being a benchmark again. Really? That happened with the M3? OK, perhaps on planet "Justme".

 

[Monster]

Is it really the *exact" same engine underneath it all, as the 550i? Like same cubic inches, etc.?

If so, that is really underwhelming. Even AMG is giving their cars a whole different motor than their "550" line.

The way I see this is the relationship between the engines in the M5 and 550i is probably the same as the 5.5 V8 AMG engine and the normal MB version.

 

[Zafiro]

Have you driven the car already????
Or are you "just" making presumptions based on yet officially unknown technical data?




Oh, "you think" ... OK, perhaps you think VERY wrong.




Sure. That's exactly what it is. A tunned engine from 550i.

OK, Andreas, your latest comments are .
Just like the ones just before M3 was launched (and after initial first drives) when you completely panicked the M3 was losing its mojo, and not being a benchmark again. Really? That happened with the M3? OK, perhaps on planet "Justme".

Unlike many others I dont think every new M is going to knock down the competition like they did in the past.

At least M3 V8 still have a highreeving engine which make the car special. New M5 have a engine many other cars already have including standard BMW's.

 

[EnI]

Unlike many others I dont think every new M is going to knock down the competition like they did in the past.

So? It's not an engineering contest. It's a business of selling cars. Don't you guys get it already?

At least M3 V8 still have a highreeving engine which make the car special. New M5 have a engine many other cars already have including standard BMW's.

So? Do you think people buy an M because of the special tech, or because of the car & how it drives?

M5 V10 ... It was there because BMW had the base & know-how from the F1 engine.

Big-displacement high-reeving engines are dead! It's a fact. It will only exist in the very exotic sport cars in the future ... and in the older Mk cars. And M5 is hardly exotic!

 

[mini_cooper4]

The M5 wasn't exotic...? The Engine is a big part of the car as we all know.
The engine was Exotic and is getting more and more exotic each day a stupid turbo engine is released. And at the time being what the E60 M5 offered was so rare and exotic - A luxury liner and a track machine...
What the hell are some guys trying to convince the others ???
I don't care about that thing.. the M5 and I will never buy one. As you can see I was an M5 owner and now I won't be for sure.
Now BMW should start producing 340is instead of M3

PS: My M1 arrived today and I can say it drives great The engine on the other hand isn't great at all for an M Overall: The car SHOULD be way better than that.

Congrats M you earn big money now

 

[Padi]

PS: My M1 arrived today and I can say it drives great The engine on the other hand isn't great at all for an M Overall: The car SHOULD be way better than that.

Congrats M you earn big money now

So are you or are you not satisfied with the car? Why did you sell the M5 btw?

 

[Cashmere]

Im not quite sure what all the power rating fuss is about? The RS6 and the R35 GTR are contrasting examples of how HP wars are merely about numbers. Its all about how that power gets put to use.

 

[FC123]

So? It's not an engineering contest. It's a business of selling cars. Don't you guys get it already?

Problem is, we enthusiasts don't want to spend our money with companies who merely want to sell cars. We want some (illusionary) idea that the people we give our money are enthusiast as well, and not just bean counters.

That's why car companies have marketing dept. in the first place... To make it seem as if these gigantic corporations are down to earth enthusiasts, when they try to rid us (dumb) enthusiasts of our hard earned.

I think we have a bit of a way to go before we see a billboard reading: BMW M5, this is where we cut costs - we're in the business of selling cars for a profit, don't you guys get it already!?

However, I'm sure the M5 will be great either way. And since, nothing's been confirmed, everything's still up in the air.

 

[EnI]

Problem is, we enthusiasts don't want to spend our money with companies who merely want to sell cars. We want some (illusionary) idea that the people we give our money are enthusiast as well, and not just bean counters.

That's exactly why are you getting the BMW i
Especially the i8

Don't you get it? The times are changing. Electric & hybrids sports cars are around the corners. And everything goes turbo. That's the future.

It's not BMW's fault some people (the so called "enthusiasts") have stuck somewhere in the past. Dreaming about the cars of the past. Today new enthusiasts are much more important: the enthusiast of the future. Embracing the new tech & new concepts. Even in the sports car segment.

The old enthusiasts are dying off. Literally. And there are some other car companies & brands who will pick them. Very niche, very expensive. Like eg. the hi-fi gramophones.

 

[Michael]

That's exactly why are you getting the BMW i
Especially the i8

Don't you get it? The times are changing. Electric & hybrids sports cars are around the corners. And everything goes turbo. That's the future.

It's not BMW's fault some people (the so called "enthusiasts") have stuck somewhere in the past. Dreaming about the cars of the past. Today new enthusiasts are much more important: the enthusiast of the future. Embracing the new tech & new concepts. Even in the sports car segment.

The old enthusiasts are dying off. Literally. And there are some other car companies & brands who will pick them. Very niche, very expensive. Like eg. the hi-fi gramophones.

Eni, that is every interesting that you mention the dying breed of enthusiasts. I think a good chunk of them still exist. I actually think a good chunk of them exist here on GCF. I think what BMW is doing is great. If that is the future, then so be it, it is the future. We all need to change with the times, don't we? However, I am not sure if I would differentiate so much between new and old enthusiasts. I think carbuffs, petrolheads, etc., want cars that perform. The last time I checked, I don't know a person that purchased an M3, GT2, 458 Italia, Gallardo, E63, etc., to save the environment or with that in their minds. They purchased the cars because they wanted to have fun. They wanted a car that brought them exhilaration when they drove it.

So, regardless of new or old, the future should possess these qualities. If that is the case with the future cars, then great, if not, then many people are going to be sad.

Granted, this M5 is not running on plant seeds. It is still a car that has a V8 that takes petrol and roars (hopefully) like an animal down streets.

 

[FC123]

That's exactly why are you getting the BMW i
Especially the i8

Don't you get it? The times are changing. Electric & hybrids sports cars are around the corners. And everything goes turbo. That's the future.

It's not BMW's fault some people (the so called "enthusiasts") have stuck somewhere in the past. Dreaming about the cars of the past. Today new enthusiasts are much more important: the enthusiast of the future. Embracing the new tech & new concepts. Even in the sports car segment.

The old enthusiasts are dying off. Literally. And there are some other car companies & brands who will pick them. Very niche, very expensive. Like eg. the hi-fi gramophones.

I get it 100%, that's why I'm not a "fan" of car companies, they are no more exotic to me than a manufacturer of vacuum cleaners. But don't get me wrong, I don't dream of the old V10, if the new force fed V8 gives more power and better consumption figures - I'm all for it.

Funnily enough, a lot of the guys working with those High End grammophones are my clients.