M5 [Official] The BMW Concept M5

[Zafiro]

I wish people stop comparing Panamera with M5.
M5 has already lost it - weight and higher center of gravity are going spoil it for the M5. Performance round goes to Porsche while the M5 will be the better allrounder - comfort and space.

And once again, factory times mean nothing to me, thats why independent magazine like Sportauto exist.

 

[GTA45E]

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M5 has already lost it - weight and higher center of gravity are going spoil it for the M5.

Came on man, you really believe that?
According to Just_me the up coming M5 has already been written off.
You must have been smoking the same pipe when you were complaining about the M3 before it ever hit the streets. The M3 has all but smashed the competition in 99.2% of every test which proves the M-Division hasn`t lost it`s magic.

I don`t pay attention to those factory number either Just_me.

I will tell you this and please take note of this post and compare it when the tests come up.

This M5 is going to be really damn fast!!
Yes, it will indeed be faster than the M156 engine Mercedes E63 AMG and Jaguare XFR off the line and in turns. I`m shooting for a 0-60 time of 3.7seconds. (4.2sec. 0-100km/h) 1/4 mile should come up in 11.9 seconds @ more than 120mph. Skidpad? no less than 0.96g on average.

Do I believe it will beat the Panamera Turbo on the Nurburgring?
Thay might, just might be about equal (it should do better than the current CTS-V). Do I believe it will beat the Panamera Turbo S? no..

 

[Zafiro]

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Came on man, you really believe that?
According to Just_me the up coming M5 has already been written off.
You must have been smoking the same pipe when you were complaining about the M3 before it ever hit the streets. The M3 has all but smashed the competition in 99.2% of every test which proves the M-Division hasn`t lost it`s magic.

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Back then I didnt complain on the M3 until I read the first pressdrives, I was fooled by media now its different, this time we're talking about a 2000 kg, turbocharged M5 and these days M stands for Markeeting, not Motorsport.

M5 isnt AWD so 60 mph in less than 4 seconds not going to happen.

 

[GTA45E]

M5 isnt AWD so 60 mph in less than 4 seconds not going to happen.

How did thay do it with the CLS63, it isn`t AWD either.

 

[Deleted member 25]

I am with just_me, this car isn't going to match the panamera performances, M5 has never been about pure raw numbers.

 

[Merc1]

Well you guys are kinda implying that it won't provide the driving part either (turbos, too heavy etc), **if** thats the case then whats the point of buying one? Just asking.


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[Michael]

Well the panamera seems to be in a different league. The top of the class performer is a monster. I don't think it should compete with the likes.

I think this is a proper comparison for the Panamera:

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[Beemer B773ER]

Simple. It's the M5.

 

[Deleted member 25]

Well you guys are kinda implying that it won't provide the driving part either (turbos, too heavy etc), **if** thats the case then whats the point of buying one? Just asking.


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I believe most of the buyers will be new to the car, so all they want is a confy hi tech car, a bimmer AMG, the other tiny fraction wiil buy it cause they are M5 fanatics.

 

[tikipukapuko]

^^a bimmer AMG

wow...now thats big with all due respect to your opinion,,this tho just kinda comfirms what i posted earlier that the 2nd to none days of M CAR(M5) is gone,,,,kudos to AMG...that caught up with M and not far from being the benchmark of the segment...on the other hand m power did not improve much in the past decade JUST MY 0.02 CENTS

 

[EnI]

Why comparing Panamera Turbo S & CLS63 AMG to M5 since there will be a M6 Gran Coupe?

Mind that due to upcoming M6 GC the M5 can be a bit more civil & more family-oriented sports car. While M6 GC will be more bestial. Lower, wider, a bit lighter.

 

[Merc1]

I believe most of the buyers will be new to the car, so all they want is a confy hi tech car, a bimmer AMG, the other tiny fraction wiil buy it cause they are M5 fanatics.

BMW. Motorsport.


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[Zafiro]

How did thay do it with the CLS63, it isn`t AWD either.

European carmags never done below 4 seconds with CLS63 or E63, M5 etc etc. American carmags (C&D) always get ridicolous 0-60 mph times. Probably dont accelerate like normal people do when the accelerate.
In Europe forget about times below 4 seconds. Not going to happen. Check out 10 different test, that time you talking about probably once in a lifetime.

 

[Levi68]

M5 is no more the 4 door sports sedan. It was always the most powerfull and fast until came the S 65 AMG, RS6, Panamera Turbo (S). As the M3, no M5 generation ever failed. If the new M5 F10 fails, and I see it is happening, it means for the first time in life M3, is going to lose its throne, wit the M3 F32, and if it loses it, it will never ever gain it back any more. This means, no more M3 for me, it was going to be my car in a slightly more distant future, and maybe no more BMW also. Time to look elsewhere, for sure not Audi of course.

 

[Michael]

M5 is no more the 4 door sports sedan. It was always the most powerfull and fast until came the S 65 AMG, RS6, Panamera Turbo (S). As the M3, no M5 generation ever failed. If the new M5 F10 fails, and I see it is happening, it means for the first time in life M3, is going to lose its throne, wit the M3 F32, and if it loses it, it will never ever gain it back any more. This means, no more M3 for me, it was going to be my car in a slightly more distant future, and maybe no more BMW also. Time to look elsewhere, for sure not Audi of course.

I think you raise interesting points. The truth is, the M5 will not remain king forever and the time will come when someone else will beat it. However, I think cars in general beat other cars in certain categories. When it comes to ridiculous horsepower, look at the AMG line up. They always had numbers that were hire than BMW and Audi, at least the 63s have ridiculous numbers. However, they were never good handlers. I think BMW will continue to make good cars with respect to handling and being a well rounded car. However, when it comes to numbers, they may not win the game.

There is another problem in the car world. Gone are the days where car line ups were simple. It used to be the 3er, 5er, 7er, and then a z3 and perhaps another car or so. However, the lineups for car manufacturers were different and simple. Now there are so many different kinds of cars. SUVS, SAVS, cars on SUV chassis, hybrids, etc. It seem logical that many of these cars will not compete. So, when you take a look at the Panamera, you can only wonder how in the world would they ever market that car against an M5? Just because it is a four door saloon and it has a big engine? They don't even have the same dimensions nor the same customer base.

I think with the influx of so many different kinds of models, it is inevitable that comparisons will turn into a numbers game, or some other quantifiable way of determining who wins. For me, however, the M5 competes with the E class AMG version, the Cadillac CTS V series, the Audi S6/RS6, etc. Those seem like logical comparisons.

 

[GTA45E]

European carmags never done below 4 seconds with CLS63 or E63, M5 etc etc. American carmags (C&D) always get ridicolous 0-60 mph times. Probably dont accelerate like normal people do when the accelerate.

Theres good reason behind this and I pointed it out. 0-100km/h is about 63mph. For the extra 3mph, it takes a little better than a blink of an eye
to get there. I woudn`t expect the new M5 to achieve 0-100km/h below 4.0 seconds. However, there is a good chance that it will hit 60mph in the hi 3 second range.

Car&Driver magazine usually torque-brakes to 60mph which is why thay get the best times. If the new M5 has 510lb-ft or better, you can bank on it bettering the E60 M5 off the line. Turbo charging is the real advantage
here.

In Europe forget about times below 4 seconds. Not going to happen. Check out 10 different test, that time you talking about probably once in a lifetime.

I agree! 6-10 different tests should prove my point.

 

[SKY]

Why comparing Panamera Turbo S & CLS63 AMG to M5 since there will be a M6 Gran Coupe?

Mind that due to upcoming M6 GC the M5 can be a bit more civil & more family-oriented sports car. While M6 GC will be more bestial. Lower, wider, a bit lighter.

True. But I was refereing to Porsche. What is clear is that in every comparision the Turbo S should be the rival and not the Turbo.

PD: Do you know naything about a power increse for the M6?.

 

[GTA45E]

M5 is no more the 4 door sports sedan. It was always the most powerfull and fast until came the S 65 AMG, RS6, Panamera Turbo (S). As the M3, no M5 generation ever failed. If the new M5 F10 fails, and I see it is happening.

Why.

The M-philosophy has always been "to make the suspension faster than the engine."

We have the fastest most powerful M5 to date. it`s foot work should dazzle that much more so than any other M5.

Btw, I believe those dullish looking side skirts I was complaining about will appear on the production version. Thay blend well with the front and rear ground effects which themselves are not tapered or fashioned. Problem is, these are the same skirts that are featured on every new 5-series available. The front and rear spoiners on the M5 almost give the entire package a new look it seems.

 

[bmer]

In fact the previous one outsold all of its predecessors.

What I find surprising is that the E60 M5 "only" managed to match the E39 M5's total sales figure:

 

[Osnabrueck]

Well... They made the same amount. So.. I'm not sure what conclusions we can draw from that.