Model 3 [Official] Tesla Model 3

[bimmer6]

The ionity prices only are increased for brands that aren’t part of the network, so it basically is an anti tesla measure.

The combination of favorable news (exorbitant market capitalization, enthusiasm regarding Teslas'...

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

The ionity prices only are increased for brands that aren’t part of the network, so it basic...

What a pathetic attempt to counter act. I would recommend them to start developing and manufacturing competitive EVs instead of this.

 

[Matski]

Is it possible to charge cars that aren't Teslas at Tesla super chargers?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Is it possible to charge cars that aren't Teslas at Tesla super chargers?

Tesla is building them by its own, while IONITY is supported also by municipalities and its idea is also to promote EVs and not help selling crippled EVs.

 

[Matski]

Tesla is building them by its own, while IONITY is supported also by municipalities...

So is that a yes or a no?

I've said since I first saw a charging plug for an electric car, not standardising things is totally bone headed. Having proprietary charging services is an extension of that and I don't really agree with any of them... Any move to tie customers ability to fuel their car to a specific brand should be seen as pathetic and a step backwards from ICE.

I can take my diesel car to any petrol station that sells diesel, put the same diesel in it as any other diesel car owner, at the same price, and I don't have to worry about the type of pump. Because fuel stations are so prolific I can even choose which I use based on price and service. Accepting people need to journey charge, EVs have to be as convenient.

 

[Cashmere]

Is it possible to charge cars that aren't Teslas at Tesla super chargers?

Technically it is possible provided other carmakers use Tesla’s technology stack (software & hardware) but it’s hard to abandon a century old legacy.

yes, your diesel car can be filled everywhere but it’s also a technology that is mature and been around for a 100+ years in the mainstream. When the initial transition from horse and cart to ICE was happening, it was also easier to fuel a horse with water and grass then it was to fuel a vehicle.

I agree that there should be one charging standard but as we’ve seen in the past with competing standards in the technology world, there’s always a self correction. The one which is most cost effective and readily available usually ends up becoming the dominant standard.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Technically it is possible provided other carmakers use Tesla’s technology stack (software &...

This prices of IONOTY are for customers without subscription. The owners of BMW, MB,AUDI or Porsche EVs pay less.

 

[Cashmere]

The owners of BMW, MB,...

Regardless, it will remain inferior experience and more expensive than the rates Tesla will provide because the other car makers lack vertical integration and speed of development and deployment.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Regardless, it will remain inferior experience and more expensive than the rates Tesla will pr...

They can never have the speed and efficiency, because they are not able to use the shortcuts that the EV technology provides them, but instead they are going the same long and well known path used also for the ICEVs. Only Diess seems to comprehent but VAG is lacking innovation spirit.

 

[Matski]

So, if I understand correctly, Ionity currently charges a flat rate per charge, so if I were to put in 1kWh, it would have cost me £8 per kWh, if I put in 100, it would cost the same.. so 8p per kWh. Electricity domestically costs around 16p. So in the UK at least, anyone charging less than 12 kWh would be better off even at the higher rate... I wonder what the average amount of electricity is per charging session.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

So, if I understand correctly, Ionity currently charges a flat rate per charge, so if I were to...

No, IONITI chargers 0,79 c for each kWh taken from the charger, when you don't have a subscription. If you want to charge 70 kWh in your battery you are going to take something like 75-77 kWh from the charger (8-10% lost) which would cost you 59,25 - 60,83 Euro. And if it is a German EV this amount is good for 230- 270 km.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

They can never have the speed and efficiency, because they are not able to use the s...

VAGs' Diess' recent statement that the company will be forced to cull its' current herd of sacred cows certainly put a cat among the pidgeons.

 

[Matski]

No, IONITI chargers 0,79 c for each kWh taken from the charger

I meant the current model, the new pricing structure starts next month.

 

[EnI]

No, IONITI chargers 0,79 c for each kWh taken from the charger, when you don't have...

Yes, 0,79c per kWh price is for the "ad hoc" "one-off" "non-contract" customers. Which are now ... obviously, due to astronomic price per kWh ... discouraged to use IONITY charging stations which now more attractive & available to MSP customers / subscribers of companies / brands that are members of the IONITY project.

"Connected Mobility Service Providers (MSP) such as Audi e-tron Charging Service, Mercedes me Charge, BMW ChargeNow, Porsche Charging Service and Volkswagen WeCharge offer financially attractive and bespoke packages for motorway drivers who regularly use IONITY’s European High Power Charging network. IONITY is also open to other MSP’s wishing to offer this network to their clients."

Flat rate of €8 was a promotional price, and it was not sustainable. And it was meant to be there for a limited period of time.

MSP is a business model legacy carmakers are going fore since it provides more added value & better profit margins for the providers. And charging is just one of the many MSP services to come.

Subscription packages are the future even in the automotive industry.

 

[Deleted member 25]

Tesla remotely disables Autopilot on used Model S after it was sold

Tesla says the owner can’t use features it says ‘they did not pay for’

Tesla has remotely disabled driver assistance features on a used Model S after it was sold to a customer, Jalopnik reports. The company now claims that the owner of the car, who purchased it from a third-party dealer — a dealer who bought it at an auction held by Tesla itself — “did not pay” for the features and therefore is not eligible to use them.

The features were enabled when the dealer bought the car, and they were advertised as part of the package when the car was sold to its owner. It’s a peculiar situation that raises hard questions about the nature of over-the-air software updates as they relate to vehicles.

Cars sold with hardware-based upgrades, such as four-wheel drive versus all-wheel drive, or advanced adaptive cruise control, do not lose those features when they are resold on the used car market. But because Tesla can update its vehicles remotely, the Model S and other Tesla vehicles can apparently lose key features. Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The owner in question, who Jalopnik refers to as Alec, purchased the car last December. The dealer bought the car a month earlier from a Tesla auction, with both “Enhanced Autopilot” and “Full Self Driving Mode” features intact, according to Jalopnik, which reviewed documents related to the car’s ownership and sale.

The dealer then listed the Model S, advertising both features. However, unbeknownst to the dealer, Tesla had independently conducted a software “audit” of the car after selling it, and disabled those features in a December update. The end result: when Alec picked up the car on December 20th, he did not have access to all its advertised features.

After contacting Tesla customer support, Alec was given the bad news:

Tesla has recent identified instances of customers being incorrectly configured for Autopilot versions that they did not pay for. Since, there was an audit done to correct these instances. Your vehicle is one of the vehicles that was incorrectly configured for Autopilot. We looked back at your purchase history and unfortunately Full-Self Driving was not a feature that you had paid for. We apologize for the confusion. If you are still interested in having those additional features we can begin the process to purchase the upgrade.

The value of the self-driving features that were supposed to remain active in the Model S comes out to about $8,000. Alec paid for the car under the assumption that the features were bundled into the car’s price. Tesla now says Alec has to pay the company for the features to get them re-enabled.

With a normal car’s built-in features, even ones that may depend on software, it’s reasonable to think a technician or mechanic would need to physically access the car to remove it. Even with a technology product like a laptop or smartphone, updates generally can’t be forcibly rolled back without the consent of the owner — unless the device has special IT software installed. In those cases, the company generally owns the device or has the owner sign a legal agreement anyhow.

Tesla’s over-the-air updates have caused anxiety before. This kind of control by a carmaker wasn’t possible until recently, and Alec’s situation raises questions about what used car owners can expect in the future.

I find this behaviour disgusting. Wtf does that mean he didn't pay for ? So what now every option should be repurchased after every used car purchase, i hope they will sur the shit out of them.

 

[Centurion]

Consumers don't like to be fleeced after buying an expensive car. It won't be long before subscription services for features are abolished. BMW have recently backed down from the disgraceful subscription service for CarPlay.

 

[Deleted member 25]

The shady commercial practice is still going

Tesla's quiet chip downgrade sparks anger in China
HONG KONG -- Buyers of Tesla's first batch of Shanghai-made Model 3 cars have threatened to take the U.S. electric vehicle maker to court, accusing it of substituting promised new control chips with an older version without notice.

The incident emerged last week after dozens of Chinese Tesla owners discovered that the part number printed on stickers on the control unit of their newly delivered cars did not match that in the Model 3's information sheets. It turned out that their cars contained the previous generation of the key control chip.

The new chip is 21 times faster than the previous version in processing graphics, according to an article published on Tesla's official WeChat last April. The company claimed that all Tesla vehicles made after April would be installed with the new chip.


The discovery sparked widespread anger among Chinese Tesla owners and internet users. Thousands of customers could be affected, analysts estimated. Some accused Tesla of "deceiving consumers," while others called for a boycott of the U.S. company.

"Tesla used whatever components that were available to make a quick profit. It's disgusting," one user said on Weibo, a microblogging website widely used in China.

"What if we did not find out? Tesla, you have failed to live up to the expectation of Chinese people and government," another user said.

Tesla explained in a statement issued on Tuesday on Weibo that the downgrading of the autopilot chip was due to disruptions in its supply chain as a result of the coronavirus outbreak. It said it would provide free upgrades from the old chips once its production capacity has recovered.

"We are deeply sorry for the confusions we have caused to some Tesla owners," it said, adding that it did not mean to mislead customers but wanted to complete order deliveries as soon as it could. It added that there was "almost no difference" in driving experience and user safety for the standard Model 3.

After the Nikkei Asian Review article was published, Tesla founder Elon Musk addressed the issue in a Twitter post that risked creating more confusion for Chinese buyers. "Oddly, those who complained didn't actually order FSD," the tweet says. "Perhaps they weren't aware that the computer is upgraded for free if the FSD option is ordered even after delivery."

FSD, or full self-driving, refers to a premium function that would cost about $8,000 more than a standard Model 3 car.

Musk's tweet appears at odds with a statement from Tesla in China offering to upgrade the chip to the latest version at no cost, in China, even if the car does not have FSD.

Shawn Shen, a Tesla owner in the eastern Chinese city of Suzhou believes Musk was not aware of the situation.

"You may not know that in China the checklist for environmental protection of Model 3 states the vehicle uses HW3.0 chip," he replied to Musk on Twitter. "But the fact that we only got HW2.5 chip may have already broken the law of China. You may want to check with your senior management in China."

Tesla had just started delivering its first batch of Model 3 electric cars made in its $2 billion Shanghai Gigafactory 3. Analysts have pinned high hopes on sales of the made-in-China vehicles, especially after Tesla cut the price of the model by 9% during the shopping season ahead of Lunar New Year at the end of January.

Despite Tesla's apology, some owners said its response was "arrogant" and "insincere" and that they planned to demand triple compensation in a proposed legal challenge to Tesla if the China Consumers' Association fails to resolve their complaints.

Dozens of Tesla owners have formed a consumer rights protection group online and have already filed complaints to the consumer association.

"I decided to buy a Tesla because it has better self-driving computing technology than its peers," said Musk Xu in the eastern Chinese province of Jiangsu.

"But Tesla replaced the chips without telling customers. It has already constituted fraud in our opinion," said Xu, a member of the Tesla consumer rights group.

The 37-year-old said he was a fan of Musk but was now disappointed with the company. He said the group of Tesla owners have already hired a lawyer and drafted a legal complaint to submit to court. "Tesla must pay for its behavior," he said.

Other owners are seeking compensation without going through legal means.

Shen told NAR he had discovered the mismatch after he found that his newly delivered Model 3 was not able to detect traffic cones, a feature that he had expected of the new Tesla car which is meant to have enhanced image processing capabilities.

"When I called Tesla after-service hotline on Feb. 28, the employee said they have never promised to use the newest (control) chip," Shen said.

But according to screenshots of message exchanges between customers and Tesla sales representatives seen by Nikkei, the company had told some that the newest chip would be installed in all Model 3 cars made in China. "I am asking Tesla to offer me an additional full-autonomous driving function in compensation," Shen said.

A Tesla public relations representative did not respond to Nikkei's request for comment.

Despite rising anger among Tesla car owners, analysts do not expect a major blow to Tesla's sales.

"For the arrogant Tesla, it's not the first time it had such an incident," said Yang Yongping, vice president of research firm EO Co. "The incident will most likely fizzle out, thanks to Tesla's brand premium and remedy measures."

 

[Cashmere]

The definitive model 3 review

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Audi A4, Mercedes C class and BMW 3 series are going to get clobbered by the Model 3 in the UK in 2020

 

[DjordjeC63]

Not in terms of interior

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Not in terms of interior

Why? The Model 3 feels so much more spacious.