Cayenne Official: Porsche Cayenne MKII

[K-A]

I don't get the term "get used to". All that means is "force myself to accept it for the sake of keeping with the brands cachet" or whatever. Not much to get used to with that rear (lights), it's something we've all been staring at on cheap Korean/Japanese for some time now, problem with it is it's not unique enough to *have* to start adjusting our eyes to.

With a classier and more appealing set of tail lights (really something simpler, more direct, and clean), it'd be a fairly nice SUV butt.

 

[klier]

First thing's first.

The weight reduction is full of amazement, and has sliced acceleration to 4.7sec nicely matching that of the X5-M. That should slience the select few BMw fans who claimed that the Turbo S is the X5-M competitor rather than the similarly priced Turbo version. Though it's worth mentioning that at higher speeds the X5-M would sprint away from the Porsche owing to the 55 extra horse powers.

You have got to be kidding or something??? The MK I Cayenne Turbo S is still X5 M competition. The 'similarly priced' Turbo version is on par now because it's so new it's not even on the market yet and the weight reduction is 'full of amazement' as you say...
BTW, the new Turbo is matching the X5 M 0-100 km/h acceleration? Weren't you saying non stop that the new Turbo would kill the X5 M, and that it's fame would be short lived???

Also, note that I am not starting a Cayenne vs X5 off topic conversation, but that I respond to a silly claim. Because I'm sure Luw had me in mind as well when he wanted to silence a select few, hence the response....

 

[Sunny]

Haha, yea what ever happened to 550HP and DCT that you were predicting, Luw? BTW if 0-60 for X5M is 4.5 sec not 4.7, not that it matters.

Anyway the new Cayenne looks good, much more sporty looking than previous version. Of course the rear lights couldn't be more un-Porsche like, but that is a minor blemish. And the interior looks awesome.

 

[Sayyaaf]

I think its better if we keep it in the closet till we see some videos comparing the two. X5M might be faster though. I heard the guys at Porsche were stunned when BMW announced the HP/Torque figures of the X5M

And BTW guys, not something to proud of , but I mentioned the car would have 8speed auto since ages, PDK was not working for Cayenne.

 

[Centurion]

You have got to be kidding or something??? The MK I Cayenne Turbo S is still X5 M competition. The 'similarly priced' Turbo version is on par now because it's so new it's not even on the market yet and the weight reduction is 'full of amazement' as you say...

"So new"? It's just a few months older than the X5-M. The gap between the X5-M and Turbo is as a result of the age of the Cayenne Mk.II, a staggering 8 years old now. Off course the X5-M would be faster even than the top-end Cayenne which is technically outdated. Now it's been updated with modern technology and is very competative. Same story with the Ferrari 458, it's a rocket faster than the Gallardo just like the F430 -- the differences will be sorted out when VAG present the successor in 18-24 months timie.

The Turbo S doesn't even sell in any quantities near the Turbo model, and BMW wants to sell marketshare from the leader -- and that is the Turbo and not the Turbo S.

Sure it weigh a near 200kg less but it also has 50hp and is an example that performance doesn't need to be shouted with a front bumer intakes big enough to swallow the Canary Islands. Sure the 0-200km/h won't break any records but the there overall package of a strong interior, low fuel economy and more than admirable performance is what will sell the car as oppossed to having the highest power output of any SUV. Porsche is all about efficient dynamics and not raw unrefined power.

Haha, yea what ever happened to 550HP and DCT that you were predicting, Luw?

Dissapointingly Martin bursted my PDK dream bubble a several weeks ago, still saw a glimmer of hope though.

As for the 550hp output, I never made any mention of that. When Porsche presented the Panamera featuring the engine line-up of the Cayenne Mk.I, it was obvious that the powerplants would serve duty in the Cayenne M.II in the name of achieving economies of scale.

Porsche rarely waste money on expensive engine development if they can improve dynamics, fuel economy and efficiency but making improvements else where. 500hp serve the Cayenne Turbo well and is comparable with the X5-M. In three years the engine power will be bumped up and deal comfortably with what ever SUV demon AMG will give birth to when the new ML63 AMG is due to take the stage.

 

[Sunny]

that performance doesn't need to be shouted with a front bumer intakes big enough to swallow the Canary Islands.

You mean like this?

 

[K-A]

Lol!

 

[Centurion]

^^
Atleast the edges are rounded for pedestrian friendliness.

 

[jack]

porsche design language where are you?
this car looks very generic

 

[DocM]

So they've improved on the front, the interior, but the rear end is worrisome.
Just like in the panamera, it seems that porsche has difficulties designing anything close to a decent looking rear end on its 4 door vehicles.

the previous Cayenne had a terrible front, and a weak yet still acceptable back. things have switch around for the MkII

who knows, maybe they'll get it right next time around...

 

[klier]

There will soon enough be a thread where X5 M and Cayenne Turbo can be put to the test. Lets focus on the Cayenne now....I know you're afraid of the X5 M, and you should be, but the spotlight is for the new Cayenne here
I think it's needless to say I disagree on everything you say? But if I am going to respond to every silly remark you made here, this thread will become X5 M vs Cayenne Turbo. We do not want that.

LOL at the unrefined power remark though If you want to be taken seriously, I sure hope you don't mean BMW with that.

 

[Centurion]

So they've improved on the front, the interior, but the rear end is worrisome.
Just like in the panamera, it seems that porsche has difficulties designing anything close to a decent looking rear end on its 4 door vehicles.

the previous Cayenne had a terrible front, and a weak yet still acceptable back. things have switch around for the MkII

who knows, maybe they'll get it right next time around...

What is right? All SUV have angular shapes, rectangular or squared light units and a predictable utilitarian design. Porsche has just doing things differents, adding some emotions to SUVs.

 

[Yaz]

Love it. Can't wait to see it at NYIAS next month.

I was worried it would look like an Infinity, but thank God that's not the case.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding the rear lights. They resemble the Panamera's more than anything else out there.

 

[aleks_16]

I liked the first gen cayenne with facelift way more then this hyundai. The Cayenne has lost his sprty dinemiy stance and win a boring korean babyface with a huge single frame......so I just can do this

 

[klier]

What is right? All SUV have angular shapes, rectangular or squared light units and a predictable utilitarian design. Porsche has just doing things differents, adding some emotions to SUVs.

Not this new Cayenne though. Just look at this amazing pic, and notice how smooth, detailed and sporty it looks. I now understand they were aiming for the X6 with the MK II:

 

[rollo]

I retire all what I said about that car.

It's actually much, much worse than the first gen (didn't think it was humanly feasible...).

That front is a joke. Vulgar, tacky, tasteless. Next gen will feature a front made out of air intakes only, or what? No, of course: it also will have an obvious and poorly integrated radar-lens in the middle...

The rear... well, it's better to laugh than to cry isn't it? Okay, it might be necessary to cry nonetheless, in such a desperate case. Good that PORSCHE is written so big, nobody'd recognize it... It even has afterthought randomy placed red things near the exhausts...

I hope it'll be sold with standard sunglasses, so you don't burn your eyes looking at all that tacky ugliness.

I think your on to something with the glasses.........................but not for us.

Too funny CR, someone have a bad day?

 

[klier]

Sunny, 4.5 sec 0-60 MPH = 4.7 sec 0-100 km/h

What's funny about the Hybrid is that Porsche says it's capable of driving on the electric engine ONLY (full hybrid).
Now, that would mean 47 hp for 2000 kg (43 kg/hp). An old Citroen 2CV has 29 hp and weighs 560 kg (19.3 kg/kg)....it does 0-100 km/h in 35 seconds....
I know the Cayenne has more torque and is more modern, but the the laws of physics count for Porsche too (luw will make you believe otherwise though ), which means the Cayenne Hybrid with 330+ hp will be crazy slow in full hybrid mode. Or will torque make a big difference? INobody is going to drive like that. The same counts for the X6 hybrid though, maybe that's what Dunkel and Adv and Betty mean with the EU cycle...

 

[Centurion]

Sunny, 4.5 sec 0-60 MPH = 4.7 sec 0-100 km/h

What's funny about the Hybrid is that Porsche says it's capable of driving on the electric engine ONLY (full hybrid).
Now, that would mean 47 hp for 2000 kg (43 kg/hp). An old Citroen 2CV has 29 hp and weighs 560 kg (19.3 kg/kg)....it does 0-100 km/h in 35 seconds....
I know the Cayenne has more torque and is more modern, but the the laws of physics count for Porsche too (luw will make you believe otherwise though ), which means the Cayenne Hybrid with 330+ hp will be crazy slow in full hybrid mode.

Nein, nein, nein!

The glory of electic motors don't come from their hp output but by the staggering toque they produce at 0 RPM. 300Nm is instantly available at 0 RPM by the electric motor which more than enough to get the car off the ground at a decent speed. That's the beauty of electric engine, they torque output and torque curve. For that reason they cannot be looked at an compared like your average petrol guzzling engine.

For comparison the Cayenne V6 develops 385Nm. So, off the line, the Hybrid is marginally slower than the V6 -- but by the time you hit the 47km/h or so, the petrol engine kicks in and off the car goes. As a note the Cayenne V6 does 0-100km/h in 7.5sec, running soley on electric power you'll likely be more than 1-2 second slower -- though that's not the purpose of a Hybrid anyways.

 

[EMpower]

When is the turbo S coming?

 

[K-A]

Staring at that front.... It's ridiculous, Porsche went waaay too far with the giant opening, the fact that the little plastic-y "bars" inside it are so prominent (which are supposed to be hidden in grills, or subtly showing behind them) kind of reminds you how unnecessarily large it is.

I'm liking the round/smooth, "organic" design though, nice that Porsche isn't following the angular fad that everyone else is. I think the car lacks some character (especially in the rear), but with the right package, and beefy wheels, and maybe some smoked rear lights, I think it'll be a nice and well aging SUV.