Huayra [Official] Pagani Huayra

[martinbo]

All official Huayra Roadster posts moved here: http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/pagani-huayra-roadster.56788/

 

[TopspeedPT]

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Previously owned by Salomondrin.

 

[sako97]

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Previously owned by Salomondrin.

The owner absolutely hates when anyone mentions that.

 

[Yaz]

He better not read the comments section then

Imagine if Lee says yeah it's my spec lol

 

[Monster]

The owner absolutely hates when anyone mentions that.

All the money in the word can't buy him the respect. The more I see David Lee, the less I like about this guy.

 

[Yaz]

I feel the same @Monster, but you've gotta give him credit for his collection.

It seems Alejandro and David have kissed and made up.

 

[sako97]

Connecticut is home to three of the worst specced Huayras:

Love the craftsmanship of the Huayra, but even in person it's very spec dependent. (This photo is from the ongoing annual Pagani owner run)

 

[Yaz]

And the king is worse now. The stradman has a video:

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[sako97]

How many rallies does Pagani hold annually? Seems like they have one monthly with the participants being predominantly Instgrammers

 

[sako97]

Looks like Pagani has been conducting and covering up unscrupulous business practices for some time... sure this may be anecdotal evidendence, but for years I've been wondering why many prominent supercars collectors don't own Paganis.

They state they want to keep production numbers low, yet they also conduct predatory sales practices to attract (or scare away) potential clientele.

A friend "VCR" from another forum (long, but worth a read):

The Pag, regrettably, is like meeting your life-long hero in real life and walk away quite disappointed. It is undoubtedly a rolling piece of art. But that's also exactly what it is and not much more. Sure, it has the performance of a hypercar but it feels fragile and the built quality is questionable given the associated costs. Yes, it's carbon fibre technology is tops but those of the Bug and the Egg aren't exactly shabby either. And here is the biggest dilemma: there is so much Art Deco motifs in the car that they become a distraction. Most of the instruments are illegible even at regular low-speed city driving let alone driving fast. Everything just seems overwhelmingly busy. It's almost the exact opposite of the Bug where the instrumentation and controls are minimal, so little that you yearn for more whereas the Pag is a sensory overload and one simply gets disorientated. I honestly did not enjoy the drives at all. Yes, it's my bias but the car is best served to be parked at a glass garage and be admired only. On top of the car itself, I have also heard several horror stories on the business ethics of Pagani. And judging from my time with the local dealer, I tend to agree. I have seen many Pags, been to their "factory" (more like an atelier), sat in about 5 and had driven 2.
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1) A very reliable friend who is also a member here (although he hasn't been seen here for a while) has the means to get a special-commissioned car. He went to the local Pagani dealer, discussed on the specs and was given a price. He then paid a personally visit to the factory for further discussions. Before the meeting began and without any change from the previous specs, they told my friend on the new price which was substantially more (6-figure increase). My friend then met with Horacio and, again, no specs was altered and my friend was promised a car. A few weeks later, my friend received an email which stated yet another new price for the car which, again, was substantially more (another 6-figure increase).

2) A Huayra was in town for a show last year and I was fortunate to have test driven it. After the drive, they were hard selling a Huayra roadster to me saying they have a limited production roadster coming which belongs to the dealer's owner. But I can have it for $x,xxx,xxx (a premium on top of the MSRP was added) if I acted fast on it. I then asked if it's already spoken for and it's the owner's own car, then the allocation is good as gold. What's the rush? Has the car been offered to others as well? That question was never answered and following the next 48hrs, I was bombarded by frequent phone calls and email asking whether I was ready to commit on a 6-figure deposit. These guys knew I own a few Lambos so they figured I wasn't merely trying to con a test drive out of them and then disappear. Again, I ask them why the relentless push since the allocation is confirmed as it's the boss' own car and I wasn't going to do a 180 turn on the specs. I also said since I am looking at this class of cars, it's only fair that I should test drive a Chiron and maybe a Regera before making a final decision. If someone else is waiting on the same Huayra Roadster and I have been given the First Right of Refusal, then thank you and please let him have it as it is business after all and I would not get in the way. Again, no answer was ever given; all they kept asking was "are you ready to commit on this special car and give us a $xxx,xxx deposit on it?" (in those exact words). Wow, to me, that sounds as professional as a rookie Honda salesperson desperate to meet his monthly quota. Definitely not a class-act by any means. And to this day, AFAIK, that roadster still belongs to the dealer's owner.

 

[Yaz]

It's the Italian way

 

[Monster]

I wonder how can the build quality of the Huayra be questionable given the amount of time and effort that goes into building one?

 

[sako97]

I wonder how can the build quality of the Huayra be questionable given the amount of time and effort that goes into building one?

I ask myself the same, considering all the craftsmanship videos they've put of over the years.

I believe Salomondrin (is that how you spell it?) was the first to publicly point out quality issues and illegibility of instruments. This was after his once great relations with Pagani turned sour... which then caused him to sell it. He even got married at the Pagani factory.

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Surprisingly, the video is very informative and not obnoxious. They were particularly pissed that his Huayra came in dead last during his Hyper 5 comparison.

On the other had, I've seen numerous Koenigseggs up close over the years, and it's clear that their factory craftsmanship videos are, in part, deceptive. I've seen big panel gaps on CCRs/CCX/Ageras that should be non-existent on a car that expensive. Boutique manufacturer issues.

 

[Monster]

I ask myself the same, considering all the craftsmanship videos they've put of over the years.

I believe Salomondrin (is that how you spell it?) was the first to publicly point out quality issues and illegibility of instruments. This was after his once great relations with Pagani turned sour... which then caused him to sell it. He even got married at the Pagani factory.

Ever since he released that video, the whole CupGang turn on him, so I guess there are a few elements of truths in what he said .

 

[LaArtist]

Lol that quoted story is ass given his first account on how he feels about the car, then he has only test driven it. Second hand info.. and the sales practice is what it is. It a not Ferrari whom btw has some really shitty practices of their own.

 

[Yaz]

Alejandro talked about it more in the podcast:

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Starts at 58:00

 

[Bucketslash11]

On the other had, I've seen numerous Koenigseggs up close over the years, and it's clear that their factory craftsmanship videos are, in part, deceptive. I've seen big panel gaps on CCRs/CCX/Ageras that should be non-existent on a car that expensive. Boutique manufacturer issues.

remember when salomondrin was gonna test the agera R vs the holy trinity in dubai and they had owners who were willing to test their cars, for some reason all owners pulled out of the test after the salomondrin mentioned the test to CvK

 

[sako97]

Lol that quoted story is ass given his first account on how he feels about the car, then he has only test driven it. Second hand info.. and the sales practice is what it is. It a not Ferrari whom btw has some really shitty practices of their own.

Thats why I made sure to include "sure this may be anecdotal evidendence”, particularly for his driving experience. Everybody and their mother's know about Ferrari's business practices, so that's neither here or there. Seems like they're proud of it as well.

Pagani puts on a public persona of being the highest level of automotive atelier, yet behind the scenes not everything is picture perfect. Guys like Luca Venturi spend a lot of their time doing social media damage control, which is why Salmondrin's testimony instantly killed relations.

As @Monster hinted, his former buddies (many of whom own Paganis) cut ties with him because if you publicly state anything negative about the company, you'll be blacklisted. Doesn’t matter if you currently own one.

Boutique companies are always on edge when owners and journalists report information without their approval. Any damning reports could seriously hinder reputation and sales.

 

[Yaz]

And let's not forget about that Top Gear lap.

 

[sako97]

And let's not forget about that Top Gear lap.

Has there been a Top Gear Pagani test since that fiasco?