7 Series (G70) [Official] New BMW 7-Series / i7 (G70/G71)

[Robbie]

Except offer an electrified S-Class experience. So, not really.

Martin, are you insinuating that BMW is better than Mercedes because they offer the new 7 as a full EV? Surely you should rather say that Mercedes at least developed a full EV platform for their electric S-class. I am sure that many people would like a full electric W223, and maybe that will happen one day, but you cannot twist BMW's conservative approach of not developing a special platform as being superior.

 

[Special]

If we are talking elektric cars....for me this is still the coolest looking EV.
Ian Callum is King.
But not only it looks the most sporty, The I-Pace also drives great, with my friends we had 4.5s 0-100 with it, which is crazy.
So sad, we wont see the new fully electric XJ, i'm quite sure, that the new XJ would probably kill all the boring german design EV's with his sporty and sleek ''catish'' design...

 

[dalab]

I also can't imagine they made the decision to go LWB only, without accepting the loss of sales that would go with that.

Agreed. I'm sure BMW are well aware, they're losing a substantial European market share, going LWB (n this case extra LWB) only. It's a calculated risk.

Surely it was coldly calculated, honest question, I see that size is an issue for Europeans but there is something like that where customers ask the measurements of length before buying?

The account must be between the cost benefit of developing two versions plus the projected increase in sales because it offers what they ask for in China, the Emirates and the USA, vs. what you indicate would be lost in Europe.

The L shaped rearlights give the 7 Series a unique and distinguished look

Will look spectacular at night like most BMWs I have no doubt. Masters 3D effect those guys at Munich.

That closed shot of the trunk of the black car reminded me of the wonderful photos (from behind) of the E30 325I broshure in burgundy color, just late at night with the reflection of the leaves on the paint, when I opened it and read it for the first time , the straight lines of both take me there, it is quite an achievement, I would like to see more of the car in that night light.

 

[Matski]

Surely it was coldly calculated, honest question, I see that size is an issue for Europeans but there is something like that where customers ask the measurements of length before buying?

Our standard parking space length is 4.8m, if you have to daily it, you gonna notice it. Most cars these days are too big for our roads, so the problem is hardly exclusive to the 7-er, but if you're an owner driver, you're not using that rear seat space, and you're doing 12 point turns to get it round some streets. Of course some people won't have a problem with that, but some will.

 

[dalab]

are you insinuating that BMW is better than Mercedes because they offer the new 7 as a full EV? Surely you should rather say that Mercedes at least developed a full EV platform for their electric S-class.

At the moment the 7 wins the EQS with facts, it is more aesthetic and from what we know it is more spacious in the back (key point), they both weigh the same and have a similar autonomy, for which I hope, as I suppose you do too , let it be known who is who in the face-to-face tests, but for now it is the reverse of logic

 

[leylandi]

At the moment the 7 wins the EQS with facts, it is more aesthetic and from what we know it is more spacious in the back (key point), they both weigh the same and have a similar autonomy, for which I hope, as I suppose you do too , let it be known who is who in the face-to-face tests, but for now it is the reverse of logic

Assuming that electric cars are mostly preferred for individual use, EQS is luckier. I don't think anyone would consider the rear seats. EQS is better in terms of range, weight, size and space efficiency. it has the same wheelbase and a larger trunk space. It also has a sportier design.

 

[Merc1]

At the moment the 7 wins the EQS with facts, it is more aesthetic and from what we know it is more spacious in the back (key point), they both weigh the same and have a similar autonomy, for which I hope, as I suppose you do too , let it be known who is who in the face-to-face tests, but for now it is the reverse of logic

A race to the ugly bottom.

M

 

[dalab]

A race to the ugly bottom.

M

They will be two interesting matches to watch
i7 vs EQS
S class vs 760e or i, ......I don't even know

 

[Titot]

They will be two interesting matches to watch
i7 vs EQS
S class vs 760e or i, ......I don't even know

My Ideal Matches between the two Germans would be like:
740d xDrive vs S 400 d 4MATIC
750e xDrive vs S 580 e 4MATIC
i7 xDrive60 vs EQS 580 4MATIC

 

[Merc1]

This one

Yes I would love to see more of this one.

M

 

[martinbo]

Martin, are you insinuating that BMW is better than Mercedes because they offer the new 7 as a full EV? Surely you should rather say that Mercedes at least developed a full EV platform for their electric S-class. I am sure that many people would like a full electric W223, and maybe that will happen one day, but you cannot twist BMW's conservative approach of not developing a special platform as being superior.

Hey Rob, good to see you posting and glad you're still lurking. Hope all's well.

The only twisting been done here is your twisting of my words. I only stated a fact: Mercedes Benz does not offer an electrified S-Class. Period. This was in response to another's assertion that the S-Class does it all. Yes, except offer an all-electric S-Class. There is no insinuation. It is what it is.

All credit to Mercedes for developing their own all-electric platform but this changes nothing about the new Seven which is available in ICE, hybrid and full EV guises. This is irrefutable. The EQS is not an S-Class - not in name or in delivery of the experience and this has been covered at length here and in other media.

Now, by all means, if people wish to debate the merits as to which approach is better - dedicated platform vs mixed-use - then that's for another discussion thread. So, let's just stick to the facts and not proclaim insinuation.

 

[Merc1]

Hey Rob, good to see you posting and glad you're still lurking. Hope all's well.

The only twisting been done here is your twisting of my words. I only stated a fact: Mercedes Benz does not offer an electrified S-Class. Period. This was in response to another's assertion that the S-Class does it all. Yes, except offer an all-electric S-Class. There is no insinuation. It is what it is.

All credit to Mercedes for developing their own all-electric platform but this changes nothing about the new Seven which is available in ICE, hybrid and full EV guises. This is irrefutable. The EQS is not an S-Class - not in name or in delivery of the experience and this has been covered at length here and in other media.

Now, by all means, if people wish to debate the merits as to which approach is better - dedicated platform vs mixed-use - then that's for another discussion thread. So, let's just stick to the facts and not proclaim insinuation.

I gotta ask so what? I don't see the point of arguing this about Mercedes not offering an electric S-Class vs BMW offering an electric 7-Series that is compromised as an ICE and as an EV because they're trying to NOT spend the money to do both. Who cares what the name of the EQS is? It's supposed to be the S-Class equivalent EV, and that is what it is. Whether it lives up to that or not is for you to decide.

M

 

[martinbo]

I gotta ask so what? I don't see the point of arguing this about Mercedes not offering an electric S-Class vs BMW offering an electric 7-Series that is compromised as an ICE and as an EV because they're trying to NOT spend the money to do both. Who cares what the name of the EQS is? It's supposed to be the S-Class equivalent EV, and that is what it is. Whether it lives up to that or not is for you to decide.

M

You don't have to ask so what - it is what it is Marcus. The S-Class is not available in EV. The 7 is.

 

[Merc1]

You don't have to ask so what - it is what it is Marcus. The S-Class is not available in EV. The 7 is.

There is no advantage to it though, it's a pointless distinction. The car is compromised on both sides because of it.

M

 

[martinbo]

There is no advantage to it though, it's a pointless distinction. The car is compromised on both sides because of it.

M

Well, you may be right but that's a separate discussion.

 

[Merc1]

Well, you may be right but that's a separate discussion.

Nah, agree to disagree, it most certainly isn't. If you're saying the 7 is available as an EV and the S is not, then there should be something to as why that is even a distinction that needs to be made. Especially when Mercedes offers an S-Class equivalent EV. Whatever they call it, it's still there as that.

M

 

[Robbie]

Hey Rob, good to see you posting and glad you're still lurking. Hope all's well.

The only twisting been done here is your twisting of my words. I only stated a fact: Mercedes Benz does not offer an electrified S-Class. Period. This was in response to another's assertion that the S-Class does it all. Yes, except offer an all-electric S-Class. There is no insinuation. It is what it is.

All credit to Mercedes for developing their own all-electric platform but this changes nothing about the new Seven which is available in ICE, hybrid and full EV guises. This is irrefutable. The EQS is not an S-Class - not in name or in delivery of the experience and this has been covered at length here and in other media.

Now, by all means, if people wish to debate the merits as to which approach is better - dedicated platform vs mixed-use - then that's for another discussion thread. So, let's just stick to the facts and not proclaim insinuation.

Hi Martin, thanks for the shout back.

I always lurk! Often like and respond that way. I only comment occasionally if I really feel strongly about something, and I have the time. Still love this place!

Maybe I misread your statement, but I would think that the person making the comment about the S-class was complimenting it, by saying that it does what it was intended to do well. It really is the master at being an ICE/hybrid luxury car.

What it is not, is a compromised EV/ICE car, but it can be a brilliant hybrid, if you want an electrified car.

Personally, I have liked some 7s (E23, E32, E38), been OK with others (F01, G11) and really disliked two (E65 and, thus far, G70). This new one is really ugly to me. The front is just ugly, with so much going on that you need a magnifying glass and a bright light to really be able to see what is there! The side profile is overwrought, having to rely on ornamentation on the Hofmeister kink to make it look decent. The absolute love for the car here on this site is amazing to me (and I think the press agrees with me on this), but hey, each to their own.

You may not like the EQS, and I agree it is not a good-looking car. Personally, I think it is better looking than the G70, if specced right. Also, most reports I have read of the car, point to it being a brilliant luxury vehicle, something Tesla hasn't achieved. So, I disagree with your assertion that it is not the S-class of EVs, except in looks maybe.

Yes, maybe a topic for another thread, but it is really interesting as to which strategy is right, between BMW (trying to have EVs / ICE off one platform) and Mercedes (dedicated platforms, at least for their more expensive vehicles). As you call it, dedicated vs mixed-use. I would have expected BMW to more "pure" by developing dedicated, but maybe their approach is safer and will be more financially rewarding for them. I hope time will tell.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Hi Martin, thanks for the shout back.

I always lurk! Often like and respond that way. I only comment occasionally if I really feel strongly about something, and I have the time. Still love this place!

Maybe I misread your statement, but I would think that the person making the comment about the S-class was complimenting it, by saying that it does what it was intended to do well. It really is the master at being an ICE/hybrid luxury car.

What it is not, is a compromised EV/ICE car, but it can be a brilliant hybrid, if you want an electrified car.

Personally, I have liked some 7s (E23, E32, E38), been OK with others (F01, G11) and really disliked two (E65 and, thus far, G70). This new one is really ugly to me. The front is just ugly, with so much going on that you need a magnifying glass and a bright light to really be able to see what is there! The side profile is overwrought, having to rely on ornamentation on the Hofmeister kink to make it look decent. The absolute love for the car here on this site is amazing to me (and I think the press agrees with me on this), but hey, each to their own.

You may not like the EQS, and I agree it is not a good-looking car. Personally, I think it is better looking than the G70, if specced right. Also, most reports I have read of the car, point to it being a brilliant luxury vehicle, something Tesla hasn't achieved. So, I disagree with your assertion that it is not the S-class of EVs, except in looks maybe.

Yes, maybe a topic for another thread, but it is really interesting as to which strategy is right, between BMW (trying to have EVs / ICE off one platform) and Mercedes (dedicated platforms, at least for their more expensive vehicles). As you call it, dedicated vs mixed-use. I would have expected BMW to more "pure" by developing dedicated, but maybe their approach is safer and will be more financially rewarding for them. I hope time will tell.

Nice post. And I enjoy the input.

 

[Centurion]

Hi Martin, thanks for the shout back.

I always lurk! Often like and respond that way. I only comment occasionally if I really feel strongly about something, and I have the time. Still love this place!

Maybe I misread your statement, but I would think that the person making the comment about the S-class was complimenting it, by saying that it does what it was intended to do well. It really is the master at being an ICE/hybrid luxury car.

What it is not, is a compromised EV/ICE car, but it can be a brilliant hybrid, if you want an electrified car.

Personally, I have liked some 7s (E23, E32, E38), been OK with others (F01, G11) and really disliked two (E65 and, thus far, G70). This new one is really ugly to me. The front is just ugly, with so much going on that you need a magnifying glass and a bright light to really be able to see what is there! The side profile is overwrought, having to rely on ornamentation on the Hofmeister kink to make it look decent. The absolute love for the car here on this site is amazing to me (and I think the press agrees with me on this), but hey, each to their own.

You may not like the EQS, and I agree it is not a good-looking car. Personally, I think it is better looking than the G70, if specced right. Also, most reports I have read of the car, point to it being a brilliant luxury vehicle, something Tesla hasn't achieved. So, I disagree with your assertion that it is not the S-class of EVs, except in looks maybe.

Yes, maybe a topic for another thread, but it is really interesting as to which strategy is right, between BMW (trying to have EVs / ICE off one platform) and Mercedes (dedicated platforms, at least for their more expensive vehicles). As you call it, dedicated vs mixed-use. I would have expected BMW to more "pure" by developing dedicated, but maybe their approach is safer and will be more financially rewarding for them. I hope time will tell.

The reasons why I like the car are:
-It has a classic 3 box shape with a squared off rear-end.
-It’s rare for car manufacturer to create a success that‘s revolutionary rather than an iteration of existing ideas and approaches.
-Although the front end isn’t perfect. It looks more than good enough in dark colours.

However I understand that its a ‘more is more’ car and that it doesn‘t conform with some people‘s notion of luxury like the new full fat Range Rover does.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Surely it was coldly calculated, honest question, I see that size is an issue for Europeans but there is something like that where customers ask the measurements of length before buying?

If you're driving most of the time alone, not needing all that space in the back and live in an overcrowded European country, where most parking garages are dated from the seventies and eighties, a time when cars were significantly smaller, you're not happy when cars are getting bigger and bigger with every new iteration.
Driving on highways, there's no problem, but as soon you're getting into a city, trying to find a parking lot, circling around narrow streets, it sometimes occurs to me: a bit shorter and less width would be nice.
It's not that it can't be done, but everytime my cars become bigger and bigger, it sometimes gets annoying. Personally, it doesn't feel like luxury at all.
That not only goes for this type of cars, but for many SUV/SAC even more so, because of their often absurd width.