S-Class (W222/C217/A217) [Official] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W222 Facelift) 2017-2020

[75KoDe]

Care to share and mention a source?

The source is a MB employee in RD. I'm not working for MB.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

The source is a MB employee in RD. I'm not working for MB.

any info on the m256 engines?

 

[hovabongZA]

This pictures makes it appear as if it were a boxy SUV more like a GLC. Overall beautiful car and the best car they make.

 

[Wunderkind]

Sigh...............



I HATE this. Why introduce a new I6 and then saddle the U.S. market with this tired ass V6? The new LS500 with it's 415hp V6 is going to beat this S450 left and right in comparisions again. The new I6 with 400+ hp wouldn't suffer that indignity. At the very least if you were going use this V6, give it the full 396hp of the E43. GOODNESS.


M

The German marques probably want to tread more carefully in the US market now after the dieselgate affairs. Just speculating.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

The source is a MB employee in RD. I'm not working for MB.

Just read somewhere else both, S350d and S400d, will get RWD and will be available from november on.

 

[Serpens]

Sigh...............



I HATE this. Why introduce a new I6 and then saddle the U.S. market with this tired ass V6? The new LS500 with it's 415hp V6 is going to beat this S450 left and right in comparisions again. The new I6 with 400+ hp wouldn't suffer that indignity. At the very least if you were going use this V6, give it the full 396hp of the E43. GOODNESS.


M

I'm hardly worried about comparisons to the LS500 given that it has no V8 available.

The German marques probably want to tread more carefully in the US market now after the dieselgate affairs. Just speculating.

I don't see how that applies to gas engines.

 

[Wunderkind]

I'm hardly worried about comparisons to the LS500 given that it has no V8 available.



I don't see how that applies to gas engines.

It's a brand new engine. Petrol engines get hit by US authorities all the time. There are plenty of cases where Mercedes was fined for mileage or emission claims irregularities.

 

[Rezident]

From official press release:
"Most powerful diesel car in Mercedes-Benz history: In the Mercedes-Benz S 350 d 4MATIC (fuel consumption combined: 5.5 l/100 km, CO2 emissions combined: 145 g/km) and S 400 d 4MATIC models (fuel consumption combined: 5.6 l/100 km, CO2 emissions combined: 147 g/km), the new in-line six-cylinder diesel engine makes its début. It comes in two output levels with 210 kW (286 hp) and 600 Nm as well as 250 kW (340 hp) and 700 Nm. Even though it has noticeably more power than its predecessor, the new engine consumes over seven percent less fuel. The special traits of the top-of-the-line engine in the diesel family include the stepped-bowl combustion process, two-stage turbocharging and for the first time the use of CAMTRONIC variable valve-lift control. Its design features a combination of aluminium engine block and steel pistons as well as further improved NANOSLIDE® coating of the cylinder walls.

The new six-cylinder diesel engine is designed to comply with future emissions legislation (RDE – Real Driving Emissions). All the components of relevance for efficient emissions reduction are installed directly on the engine. The integrated technology approach combining the new stepped-bowl combustion process, dynamic multi-way exhaust-gas recirculation and near-engine exhaust-gas aftertreatment, for the first time combined with variable valve-lift control, makes further reduced consumption with low emissions possible. Thanks to the near-engine insulated configuration, exhaust-gas aftertreatment has low heat loss and extremely favourable operating conditions.

New in-line six-cylinder petrol engine (M 256): The new in-line six-cylinder petrol engine exemplifies the electrification process and incorporates a 48-volt on-board power supply.

New intelligent forced induction that includes an electric booster compressor, as well as an Integrated Starter Alternator provide outstanding power delivery without turbo lag. The Integrated Starter Alternator is responsible for hybrid functions, such as boost or energy recovery, while allowing fuel savings that were previously reserved for high-voltage hybrid technology. All things considered, the new R-6 engine delivers the performance of an eight-cylinder with significantly lower consumption.

Systematic electrification dispenses with the need for a belt drive for ancillary components at the front of the engine, which reduces its overall length. The slim design, together with the physical separation of intake/exhaust, creates space for near-engine exhaust aftertreatment. The 48-volt on-board power supply serves not only high power consumers, such as the water pump and air-conditioning compressor, but also the Integrated Starter Alternator, which also supplies energy to the battery by means of highly efficient energy recovery. The new in-line six-cylinder comes to the starting line in two output levels."

 

[Wunderkind]

I want to see the specs for the S560e powertrain.

A S560e coupe will be a 560SeC

 

[Serpens]

It's a brand new engine. Petrol engines get hit by US authorities all the time. There are plenty of cases where Mercedes was fined for mileage or emission claims irregularities.

Can you provide some examples? Genuinely curious, not doubting you.

 

[Wunderkind]

Can you provide some examples? Genuinely curious, not doubting you.

12/21/2006: Mercedes-Benz Pays $1.2 Million for Clean Air Act Violation Also Spends $59 Million for Voluntary Recall

Daimler Unit Hit With Penalty For Failing to Meet U.S. Emissions Regulations

 

[Sonder]

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I must confess:

Sure, i love the new technology, the new interior colors, the new engine.
BUT:
1.) I will reeeally miss the 2-spoke steering-wheel with the 'Mercedes-Benz' logo, because it was so uniqe...this steering wheel is nothing special, like all other cars has it.
2.) I cant understand why the tempomat-stick is gone, now the cruise-control and distronic are on the steering wheel like a Hyundai has it. Really bad..
3.) I love the new head and rear lights, but only when i see them as a unite of its own. Not in the whole package with the car. The new front is too much mascular, too much cubic according to the rest of the car (which is realy flowy, specialy because of the dropping line)...i like the front of the old one much more (because the frontlight was more integrated into the dropping line and more pointed up....and because the line in the bumper which was also something which was great integrated into the whole design)
4.) To give the AMG package a copy paste bumper of the E-Class is just a shame and a big tragedy. WHY???' Something like that never happened till now (not in the w124 vs w140, not w211 vs w220 and not at w212 vs w221)...no S-Class owner will be happy, that someone who paid the half of his s-class drives with the same bumper, belive me.

I have driven my 4. S-Class now (V221 facelift S 500 4m L) and in sommer i'll get me an V222.
I said i will wait to see the facelift version, now i'm sure i will get me the pre-facelift version. Becuase for my opinion the design is so so much more consistent.
Especially in the non-amg version, evern Gorden Wagener said that those 2 lines were here because of a reason: too make the grill looking even bigger and more aristocratic.
And now all of suden this doesnt matter anymore? come on!
Generally i like the prefacelifted versions more, because they were designed and made in one piece. When the facelift arrives, they are changing just parts of the car, but the other parts stays the same and thats the problem, because then many times the cars doesnt look so consistent any more. I will give the mopfBR222 a try to see it live, then i will made a decision, but i'm pretty sure i will get me the prefacelifted version (and it will be also cheaper i hope )

Maybe if we took the dropping line off (also the under line straight) and made it pure like the new e-coupe...maybe in this condition the more cubic front could look greater...
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[Merc1]

The German marques probably want to tread more carefully in the US market now after the dieselgate affairs. Just speculating.

Sure with diesel, but I don't see the issue with a new gas I6. Certify it honestly and keep it moving. This is Mercedes-Benz not Lotus or Pagani or some other small brand with limited resources. This S450 is going to get lapped by the LS500 just like the 420SEL did when the LS400 came out. The S560 wouldn't have this problem, neither did the 560SEL. I don't see the point of this S450. They should have just waited until the new I6 was ready for the U.S. market. They appear to be doing that for the E Coupe/Cabrio, there is no V6 E43 model, than goodness.

M

 

[Merc1]

I'm hardly worried about comparisons to the LS500 given that it has no V8 available.

Oh you should be because the LS500 and S450 is what they will be comparing, both V6s. The LS will get a V8 at some later point to challenge the S560.

M

 

[Serpens]

12/21/2006: Mercedes-Benz Pays $1.2 Million for Clean Air Act Violation Also Spends $59 Million for Voluntary Recall

Daimler Unit Hit With Penalty For Failing to Meet U.S. Emissions Regulations

I see one dealing with diesel engines (I was focusing on gas) and the other was failure to report defects over an ongoing period, which was just stupid. I would expect Euro authorities to act the same given the time period that Mercedes failed to acknowledge the issues.

That being said, I can see how they'd want everything buttoned up perfectly before debut.

 

[Serpens]

Sure with diesel, but I don't see the issue with a new gas I6. Certify it honestly and keep it moving. This is Mercedes-Benz not Lotus or Pagani or some other small brand with limited resources. This S450 is going to get lapped by the LS500 just like the 420SEL did when the LS400 came out. The S560 wouldn't have this problem, neither did the 560SEL. I don't see the point of this S450. They should have just waited until the new I6 was ready for the U.S. market. They appear to be doing that for the E Coupe/Cabrio, there is no V6 E43 model, than goodness.

M

Oh you should be because the LS500 and S450 is what they will be comparing, both V6s. The LS will get a V8 at some later point to challenge the S560.

M

Is this any different from the days of the W220 S430 and S350? Or even the W221 S350 Bluetec? Their base engines that play in the heart of the Lexus LS' pricepoint have always been slower. I just don't really see this as a "gotcha" situation. Hell, using this logic I could ask why Lexus didn't wait until the new V8 TT was ready to launch the LS.

 

[Merc1]

Is this any different from the days of the W220 S430 and S350? Or even the W221 S350 Bluetec? Their base engines that play in the heart of the Lexus LS' pricepoint have always been slower. I just don't really see this as a "gotcha" situation. Hell, using this logic I could ask why Lexus didn't wait until the new V8 TT was ready to launch the LS.

Yes in the U.S. market it is. The S560 would crush the LS500, but the S450 will lose every comparision test coming. Watch and see. The S350 bluetec was a diesel. The W221 and the W220 didn't have a V6 entry model or smaller V8 model because it wasn't needed. This S450 is going to be a punching bag for the LS500. Watch and see.

M

 

[Serpens]

Yes in the U.S. market it is. The S560 would crush the LS500, but the S450 will lose every comparision test coming. Watch and see. The S350 bluetec was a diesel. The W221 and the W220 didn't have a V6 entry model or smaller V8 model because it wasn't needed. This S450 is going to be a punching bag for the LS500. Watch and see.

M

What?

We got both the W220 S430 and the W220 S350 as supplements to the S500. Their only purpose was to lower the base price of the S-class into the LS range. They were slower and rated lower than the LS at that time.

I'm well aware the S350 Bluetec was a diesel, but it still lowered the base price. The LS' point of differentiation includes its lower price point.

Net, I'm not doubting that the S450 will be compared unfavorably to what is no doubt going to be a very strong entry from Lexus. I just don't think its going to matter.

 

[Merc1]

What?

We got both the W220 S430 and the W220 S350 as supplements to the S500. Their only purpose was to lower the base price of the S-class into the LS range. They were slower and rated lower than the LS at that time.

I'm well aware the S350 Bluetec was a diesel, but it still lowered the base price. The LS' point of differentiation includes its lower price point.

Net, I'm not doubting that the S450 will be compared unfavorably to what is no doubt going to be a very strong entry from Lexus. I just don't think its going to matter.

I obviously meant W221 and W222. NOT W220. That is just the point, sales of the current generation S-Class killed the U.S. market since introduction and a cheaper V6 model isn't needed, especially one that isn't even competitive in terms of power, especially when they have an I6 that is. The strategy is all wrong. They don't need to pander on price when you make a superior car. It should have stayed the S560 until a truly competitive S450 with an 400hp I6 was ready. The W222 has in some years, in the U.S. outsold the LS, A8 and 7-Series COMBINED. There is no need for this weak arse V6 S450.

The S350's price point is irrelevant, no one wants a diesel in the U.S market in this space.

M

 

[DJRaze99]

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